National Minnow League Vs the AFL

[Raiderdave]

Care to show us evidence that NmL clubs are debt free from year to year?

hmmmmm

when TLPG provides .... evidence ... of all 24 Storm games being shown on FTA in Melbourne I will dickhead

So youve got no evidence. I look forward to April when the vast majority of your baseless posts are deleted.

of course I do

when TLPG provides his
funny >

you weren't so insistent on that piss flap providing evidence for that claim of his , or about 30 others he & the other deranged fumblers in here have made
Odd I'd of thought

Why are you complaining. Youre worse when it comes to providing evidence. This thread being the latest example

complaining
no just pointing out again .... your obvious bias & another example in a long list of why its time you probably moved on & handed over the reigns to a more ..... moderate ..... moderator

I'd already backed you up in the claim about the number of Storm games on FTA. Did you forget that?

did you insist Cwapper excuse himself from the forum ... considering he therefore lost the wager to me ?
no



no you didn't

[Xman]

Care to show us evidence that NmL clubs are debt free from year to year?

hmmmmm

when TLPG provides .... evidence ... of all 24 Storm games being shown on FTA in Melbourne I will dickhead

So youve got no evidence. I look forward to April when the vast majority of your baseless posts are deleted.

of course I do

when TLPG provides his
funny >

you weren't so insistent on that piss flap providing evidence for that claim of his , or about 30 others he & the other deranged fumblers in here have made
Odd I'd of thought

Why are you complaining. Youre worse when it comes to providing evidence. This thread being the latest example

complaining
no just pointing out again .... your obvious bias & another example in a long list of why its time you probably moved on & handed over the reigns to a more ..... moderate ..... moderator

I'd already backed you up in the claim about the number of Storm games on FTA. Did you forget that?

did you insist Cwapper excuse himself from the forum ... considering he therefore lost the wager to me ?
no



no you didn't

believe it or not, I'm not involved in every conversation or silly bet

[Raiderdave]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

Says it all. =D>

it says nothing
which is about as much as Adamliar ever says

VFL
115 Million in combined club debt
having to go guarantor to the tune of 34 Million in bank loans just so some clubs can get on the field in 2014
how embarrassing .... how farcical

NRL
banks 50.6 Million in profits
& not one club with its hand out
now that

says it all

failure Dave strikes again!
only 2 clubs are financially the Broncos & Cowboys.the other 14 run in debt struggling to raise the pissy 12 to 14 million needed to run a NRL club. they do this by raiding their shitty leagues clubs, then after still being short need to beg the commission for money.
to put in to perspective the poorest AFL club stkilda, still managed to raise 29.9 million in revenue but still ran at a loss
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2swhv.html

the NRL clubs do not publish their Anual reports, as most likely they are to embarrassing to publish, if you can please provide some please do, but as i expect it will be like every other time you are asked to prove some evidence, you will fail!

The Raiders football team has generated around $12-$13 million of revenue in recent years, making it one of the poorest-performing in the competition. This effectively means the football club is uneconomic and demands several million dollars from the leagues club and property trust for support each year.


now go ask your mum to up your meds

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spell actually you illiterate gibberer


oh hang on
too many letters


try
pokie then





no ?

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now the real story
not captain fails lies


NRL clubs are almost all debt free
they carry over no debt year to year
meanwhile VFL clubs are drowning in debt .... struggling to survive with bills out stripping their revenue
oh dear

oh &...............

the Canberra Raiders PTY LTD
turned over 70 Million plus in revenue in 2013
profits in the order of 3 million plus

well Done Raiders
well done =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

You are an absolute idiot - do you make up these numbers up yourself?
It puts the total revenue from this group at 26,111,315 (page 11)
Profit of only 366,151 (down from 564,555 in 2012)
Of which out of their total revenue,
758,275 was GIFTED to the RL Club (page 3)
http://www.raidersclub.com.au/site/file ... 199982.pdf

How can you act so superior yet be so stupid?

here
from 2 years ago twat
& it doesn't even include the revenues as landlords from their 33 Million property arm
by 2016 the Canberra Raiders property division will have assets exceeding 115 Million dollars
that's

115 Million dollars & inject profits from revenues for this division alone .. into the group of over 10 million dollars
in future dickhead
when I say the Raiders are doin pretty darn well financially
you'd better believe it

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... 1xzpx.html

While the actual Raiders NRL team has struggled financially, its parent company has flourished.
While the actual Raiders NRL team has struggled financially, its parent company has flourished. Photo: Stuart Walmsley

The Canberra Raiders have quietly been building a commercial property empire worth tens of millions of dollars as the NRL club's cashed-up parent company looks to end its dependence on pokies.

A dismal season on the field for the NRL operation last year was matched by below-par financial performance, slumping to a loss of more than $220,000 on revenues of almost $12 million, including nearly $2 million in cash and in-kind benefits from the ACT government.

But the Raiders' parent group, The Canberra District Rugby League Football Club Ltd, enjoyed cash-flows last year of almost $50 million and healthy profits of $3.6 million.

The Raiders empire's clubs and cash flows.
The Raiders empire's clubs and cash flows.

The club's controlling entities have established a property fund, the Canberra Raiders Trust and an associated trading vehicle, CRTC Limited, which was registered in mid-2011 and is now fully funded.

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The trust is now worth more than $33 million and has already made substantial investments in a portfolio of office and retail projects.

The Queanbeyan Leagues Club, the financial engine room of the group, diverted more than $15 million last year into the new property group and still retains a healthy balance sheet.

Follow the money through the empire.
Follow the money through the empire.

The Canberra Raiders have previously refused to publicly disclose details of their financial performance, but documents lodged with corporate regulator ASIC show the NRL club recorded a $226,000 loss in 2010-2011 despite netting almost $12 million from TV money, gate receipts, merchandising, sponsorship and match-day sales.

The club's income also includes $1.4 million in annual ''appearance fees'' from the ACT government, which also provides payroll tax concessions worth $500,000 each year. The fortunes of the football club will be improved by the two-year sponsorship deal with Chinese technology giant Huawei worth $1.7 million completed in March.

Despite the bottom-line loss posted by the NRL club in 2010-2011, its parent outfit is in rude financial health.

The Canberra Times understands that two large interstate office investments have been acquired and the jewel in the crown of the property empire is the purchase of a Bunnings Warehouse site in the Sydney suburb of Seven Hills.

The Raiders group is easily the region's biggest operator of poker machines with more than 830 pokies in seven clubs across the ACT and Queanbeyan.

The Mawson Club, which recorded gaming profits of nearly $3 million on gambling revenue of nearly $5.3 million, also contributed $200,000 to The Canberra Raiders Trust last year.

March marked 10 years since The Canberra District Rugby League Football Club Ltd took full control of the Raiders back from News Limited with the club hemorrhaging up to $200,000 a month.

But leagues club president John McIntyre told The Canberra Times that the days of struggle were over.

''[Melbourne Storm coach] Craig Bellamy said that the Raiders were a team under pressure, well I don't know where he got that from,'' Mr McIntyre said. ''If there is pressure, it's on the board and the management not to take its eye off the ball.''

Mr McIntyre said that he and his colleagues were pleased with their commercial real estate acquisitions, some of which were yielding annual returns of up to 8 per cent. But no property had been bought in the ACT.

''It has been all interstate but that's not to say that we haven't looked at opportunities here,'' he said.

Mr McIntyre said the diversification strategy was vital to ensure that the group could guarantee the future of the Raiders' NRL side and the financial security of the game's junior and senior leagues in the region.

''We need to diversify if we are going to guarantee the game of rugby league, and that's not just the Raiders,'' he said.


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... z2v5PRGN2t

[Xman]

You think this supports your claim? >

"A dismal season on the field for the NRL operation last year was matched by below-par financial performance, slumping to a loss of more than $220,000 on revenues of almost $12 million, including nearly $2 million in cash and in-kind benefits from the ACT government."

So without a government handout theyd be over 2 mil in the red.

[Raiderdave]

Care to show us evidence that NmL clubs are debt free from year to year?

hmmmmm

when TLPG provides .... evidence ... of all 24 Storm games being shown on FTA in Melbourne I will dickhead

So youve got no evidence. I look forward to April when the vast majority of your baseless posts are deleted.

of course I do

when TLPG provides his
funny >

you weren't so insistent on that piss flap providing evidence for that claim of his , or about 30 others he & the other deranged fumblers in here have made
Odd I'd of thought

Why are you complaining. Youre worse when it comes to providing evidence. This thread being the latest example

complaining
no just pointing out again .... your obvious bias & another example in a long list of why its time you probably moved on & handed over the reigns to a more ..... moderate ..... moderator

I'd already backed you up in the claim about the number of Storm games on FTA. Did you forget that?

did you insist Cwapper excuse himself from the forum ... considering he therefore lost the wager to me ?
no



no you didn't

believe it or not, I'm not involved in every conversation or silly bet

you'd be all ova a leaguie in the reverse situation
& you know it too

we all do

you just choose which & whos battles you'll fight

[Xman]

All you do is target a few teams and ignore the majority that earn double or more most NRL teams

[Raiderdave]

You think this supports your claim? >

"A dismal season on the field for the NRL operation last year was matched by below-par financial performance, slumping to a loss of more than $220,000 on revenues of almost $12 million, including nearly $2 million in cash and in-kind benefits from the ACT government."

So without a government handout theyd be over 2 mil in the red.

ah no

whats 2 mill from 3.6 mill Einstein ? :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>


while ever the ACT Govt supports oxygen thief sports like the fumbles & bumbles & rugby Yawnion
it will give the same money to Rugby League .. or else

but while the Midgets & Brumbies use the ACT Govts money to line their own... thread bare pockets
the cash rich Raiders divert every cent of the 2 mill they get
straight into grass roots RL in the ACT & district ....


astounding little club financially
simply outstanding =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[Raiderdave]

All you do is target a few teams

a few :_<> :_<>
try 9 total financial basket cases in the VFL


149 Million in debt they'll be by the end of 2014
its a disaster
a

fucking

disaster

[Xman]

All you do is target a few teams

a few :_<> :_<>
try 9 total financial basket cases in the VFL


149 Million in debt they'll be by the end of 2014
its a disaster
a

fucking

disaster

Love you to explain this 149m figure...

[Xman]

All you do is target a few teams

a few :_<> :_<>
try 9 total financial basket cases in the VFL


149 Million in debt they'll be by the end of 2014
its a disaster
a

fucking

disaster

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... 6693838140

The league revealed that combined club debt had jumped from about $50m last year to $95m. Gaming debts soared to $55m, but much of this is attributed to the additional costs incurred in establishing venues and a change in August last year to the gaming formula where clubs had to purchase 10-year licences for each poker machine.

AFL clubs that operate gaming venues said they were confident of eliminating the debt over time.

The overall debt figure includes $9m owed to the AFL, and $31m owed to banks, which has significantly decreased in recent years.

Two years ago, clubs carried bank debts of $46m.

Several financially struggling clubs appear certain to have their AFL assistance funding increased for next year as an interim measure before the league settles on a revised equalisation formula.

So your figures are BS. Most of the debt clubs have incurred appears to be establishment fees of clubs which are intended to provide additional revenue. This will be used to pay off their debt. Add to that the AFL will assist clubs while equalisation is developed.

Sorry Dave, you lose.

[Xman]

RICHMOND has eradicated its debt one year ahead of schedule after recording a net surplus of $3.317 million for the financial year ended October 31, 2013.

In the first achievement of the club's bold '3-0-75'- vision, the Tigers have no debt 12 months ahead of the 2014 target that had been set in early 2010.

The financial result announced on Tuesday was the club's second consecutive profit in excess of $3 million, with the Tigers' net asset position improved from $19.07 million to $22.38 million.

http://www.AFL.com.au/news/2013-11-19/t ... ive-profit

[NRLCrap1]

did you insist Cwapper excuse himself from the forum ... considering he therefore lost the wager to me ?
no



no you didn't

That's because YOU lost the fricking bet, Dave! Where are the figures for all EIGHT FTA games huh? Where's the average for that huh? You still haven't delivered and because you haven't you lost the bet and should be taking a week off!!

[Cracker]

You think this supports your claim? >

"A dismal season on the field for the NRL operation last year was matched by below-par financial performance, slumping to a loss of more than $220,000 on revenues of almost $12 million, including nearly $2 million in cash and in-kind benefits from the ACT government."

So without a government handout theyd be over 2 mil in the red.

Just take a step back for a moment, Xman. This isn't about the Raiders RLFC by itself. If it was by itself then you may have something. But it's not and I have to say Raiderdave is correct when referencing the revenue from clubs like Mawson and Queanbeyan. This is what keeps the Raiders going, and don't forget that the Raiders have a historical link with Queanbeyan in that they played their early home games at Seiffort Oval before gaining access to Bruce Stadium.

This is over and above NRL operations that you refer to.

[Xman]

You think this supports your claim? >

"A dismal season on the field for the NRL operation last year was matched by below-par financial performance, slumping to a loss of more than $220,000 on revenues of almost $12 million, including nearly $2 million in cash and in-kind benefits from the ACT government."

So without a government handout theyd be over 2 mil in the red.

Just take a step back for a moment, Xman. This isn't about the Raiders RLFC by itself. If it was by itself then you may have something. But it's not and I have to say Raiderdave is correct when referencing the revenue from clubs like Mawson and Queanbeyan. This is what keeps the Raiders going, and don't forget that the Raiders have a historical link with Queanbeyan in that they played their early home games at Seiffort Oval before gaining access to Bruce Stadium.

This is over and above NRL operations that you refer to.

We are mainly talking about the strength, viability, and resources of clubs. Dave claims the raiders earn 70m pa, which is rubbish. They are a 12m club that gets part funding from a business arm that earns 70m but has its own costs meaning it earns a few mil profit per year. Very little of that 70m is available for the raiders to spend, meaning they are a very poor club.

[Raiderdave]

All you do is target a few teams

a few :_<> :_<>
try 9 total financial basket cases in the VFL


149 Million in debt they'll be by the end of 2014
its a disaster
a

fucking

disaster

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... 6693838140

The league revealed that combined club debt had jumped from about $50m last year to $95m. Gaming debts soared to $55m, but much of this is attributed to the additional costs incurred in establishing venues and a change in August last year to the gaming formula where clubs had to purchase 10-year licences for each poker machine.

AFL clubs that operate gaming venues said they were confident of eliminating the debt over time.

The overall debt figure includes $9m owed to the AFL, and $31m owed to banks, which has significantly decreased in recent years.

Two years ago, clubs carried bank debts of $46m.

Several financially struggling clubs appear certain to have their AFL assistance funding increased for next year as an interim measure before the league settles on a revised equalisation formula.

So your figures are BS. Most of the debt clubs have incurred appears to be establishment fees of clubs which are intended to provide additional revenue. This will be used to pay off their debt. Add to that the AFL will assist clubs while equalisation is developed.

Sorry Dave, you lose.

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but but but
that story is from the end of 2012 you shit for brains


how bout 2013
at least another 20 to 25 million down the gurgler went the VFL clubs
we know its an addition of 34 Million for 2014 at least


VFL club debt
at around 150 Million by the end of this year
end of