AFL north of the Murray

[AFLcrap1]

could do they have form in the "Cash For Comment " dept.
It came out in the C7 court case.

[Fred]

Seriously, you think in all probability that the AFL paid to get the articles of buddy in the news re the beauty contest ????

So, I'll just ask a few more questions ... Does Aussie rules have a significant presence in Sydney ... Remembering there are 5 leagues in Sydney alone? Or is it hardly heard of it talked about

[Fred]

Do the swans draw good crowds, especially when compared to nrl game crowds in general ?

[Fred]

Is AFL bigger than nrl in Australia ?,

[AFLcrap1]

It has a presence ,but has had a presence for 100+ yrs.
The last 30 on FTA ,bulk advertising etc..
Of course it has a bigger presence than the Storm in MelB ,who have only been going 15 yrs .
But the question should be asked & I rarely get an answer .
If the game is so popular,& can sell itself so well ,why the constant need for the lies about playing numbers ,popularity etc.

[Fred]

I don't think anyone thinks it is taking Sydney by storm... Or that it is even near the nrl re popularity ... Would you agree however that the swans have carved a nice niche in Sydney with a decent and loyal supporter base and gets okay coverage in the media in Sydney?
And AFL has grown significantly over the past 20 years and continues to do so.

AFL does have 5 leagues and a number of players born and bred from Sydney in its ranks so you would have to agree they have made significant in roads over the past 30 years. Surely ?

[Fred]

Re numbers being lied about ... I've only seen one thing on that and that was some government committee. My reckoning on that is more spin than anything else... And I believe there are counter arguments to what some minister said. But I have no problems with spin to a point ... All companies try to put themselves I'm a favorable light. My recollection was that nsw numbers were given when western Sydney numbers were asked for or something like that.

I mean look at the nrl saying so many thousand had a rl experience in Victoria lol ... I mean what ever that is but hey, of course you're going to talk your product up and spin figures with loose terminology. Why the need to sell itself if popular ... All big companies do ... They would be negligent not to...look at coca cola ..how much do they spend on advertising ??

And AFL isn't popular to the levels they like in Sydney ... He'll even in Victoria they promote and sell the game ... It's a competitive market place and you've got to position yourself take take advantage ... Business 101... So that's why the AFL sell its self

[Swans4ever]

I apologised for the error, and I still get abused. This is why I'm not a regular poster on this section any more. Not because I can't take it, but because it's childish and chicken.

I take it from this reply that you are rejecting the evidence of AFL presence north of the Barassi line and calling it all lies?

You couldnt lie straight in bed .
Show me here you apologized ,
All you said was you might have erred by saying repeatedly..
I say you fuking talk shit.

YOU sho me WHERE I HAVE SAID NO ONE PLAYS NORTH OF THE MURRAY.
Put up or shut up..
You started a thread ,which was a blatant lie,
you then lie about apologizing .
You are fucking braindead.

WTF are you talking about ?
I gave you abit of credit for having a few brains..I was wrong ..you lie & talk utter shit like the rest of the derpball faithfull.

Show me on fuccking post where I have claimed RL is the national sport ..
There is only One national sport in this country & its cricket.

Look sorry if I caused offence but it seems you only really make negative comments

I suppose that takes care of the apology!

[Swans4ever]

I apologised for the error, and I still get abused. This is why I'm not a regular poster on this section any more. Not because I can't take it, but because it's childish and chicken.

I take it from this reply that you are rejecting the evidence of AFL presence north of the Barassi line and calling it all lies?

You couldnt lie straight in bed .
Show me here you apologized ,
All you said was you might have erred by saying repeatedly..
I say you fuking talk shit.

YOU sho me WHERE I HAVE SAID NO ONE PLAYS NORTH OF THE MURRAY.
Put up or shut up..
You started a thread ,which was a blatant lie,
you then lie about apologizing .
You are fucking braindead.

WTF are you talking about ?
I gave you abit of credit for having a few brains..I was wrong ..you lie & talk utter shit like the rest of the derpball faithfull.

Show me on fuccking post where I have claimed RL is the national sport ..
There is only One national sport in this country & its cricket.

Look sorry if I caused offence but it seems you only really make negative comments

I suppose that takes care of the apology!

Bhaaaaaaa.

Look at us please look at us ..
Sorry north of the Murray very few care ,& are either interested in the RL world cup or soccer.
But that would make good reading in Victoria. The brainwashed fans will lap it up ,& soon be proclaiming,we are taking over.

This is what you posted about people's involvement Nth of the Murray!

[Swans4ever]

So it went from me saying that you regard RL as a National sport - to me apologising - to you accusing you of saying NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN AF IN THE NORTHERN STATES - then accusing me of being a liar! Maybe you protest too much - maybe you should let this go and maybe offer something that we can discuss rationally!

[TLPG]

I apologised for the error, and I still get abused. This is why I'm not a regular poster on this section any more. Not because I can't take it, but because it's childish and chicken.

I take it from this reply that you are rejecting the evidence of AFL presence north of the Barassi line and calling it all lies?

You couldnt lie straight in bed .
Show me here you apologized ,
All you said was you might have erred by saying repeatedly..
I say you fuking talk shit.

YOU sho me WHERE I HAVE SAID NO ONE PLAYS NORTH OF THE MURRAY.
Put up or shut up..
You started a thread ,which was a blatant lie,
you then lie about apologizing .
You are fucking braindead.

"Sorry north of the Murray very few care ,& are either interested in the RL world cup or soccer."

This equals "no one plays north of the Murray".

You are the liar and I withdraw my apology on the grounds that you refuse to understand what it is I am saying.

You can GGF and accept there is considerable interest in AFL north of the Barassi line. You are an abusive bully who needs to take good long look at yourself and your attitude. And I suggest you look at the link to AFL in your area (Darling Downs) where there are four clubs in Toowoomba alone - South, Tigers, Coolaroo and University.

I have nothing further to say to you.

[AFLcrap1]

I apologised for the error, and I still get abused. This is why I'm not a regular poster on this section any more. Not because I can't take it, but because it's childish and chicken.

I take it from this reply that you are rejecting the evidence of AFL presence north of the Barassi line and calling it all lies?

You couldnt lie straight in bed .
Show me here you apologized ,
All you said was you might have erred by saying repeatedly..
I say you fuking talk shit.

YOU sho me WHERE I HAVE SAID NO ONE PLAYS NORTH OF THE MURRAY.
Put up or shut up..
You started a thread ,which was a blatant lie,
you then lie about apologizing .
You are fucking braindead.

"Sorry north of the Murray very few care ,& are either interested in the RL world cup or soccer."

This equals "no one plays north of the Murray".

You are the liar and I withdraw my apology on the grounds that you refuse to understand what it is I am saying.

You can GGF and accept there is considerable interest in AFL north of the Barassi line. You are an abusive bully who needs to take good long look at yourself and your attitude. And I suggest you look at the link to AFL in your area (Darling Downs) where there are four clubs in Toowoomba alone - South, Tigers, Coolaroo and University.

I have nothing further to say to you.

******.. a post about an article about Buddy Whoever where I stated not many are interested & care more about RLWC or Soccer
EQUALS ...No one plays north of the Murray..
That is one of the stupidest ,most braindead things I have read on this site & there are plenty.
in your Bizzaro world 2+2= 1743
You got caught out lying..deal with it ******.
& just to help you out with your total lack of comprehension..
when you state someone says something ..make sure there is proof..not just your twisted version of things.

[Swans4ever]

I apologised for the error, and I still get abused. This is why I'm not a regular poster on this section any more. Not because I can't take it, but because it's childish and chicken.

I take it from this reply that you are rejecting the evidence of AFL presence north of the Barassi line and calling it all lies?

You couldnt lie straight in bed .
Show me here you apologized ,
All you said was you might have erred by saying repeatedly..
I say you fuking talk shit.

YOU sho me WHERE I HAVE SAID NO ONE PLAYS NORTH OF THE MURRAY.
Put up or shut up..
You started a thread ,which was a blatant lie,
you then lie about apologizing .
You are fucking braindead.

"Sorry north of the Murray very few care ,& are either interested in the RL world cup or soccer."

This equals "no one plays north of the Murray".

You are the liar and I withdraw my apology on the grounds that you refuse to understand what it is I am saying.

You can GGF and accept there is considerable interest in AFL north of the Barassi line. You are an abusive bully who needs to take good long look at yourself and your attitude. And I suggest you look at the link to AFL in your area (Darling Downs) where there are four clubs in Toowoomba alone - South, Tigers, Coolaroo and University.

I have nothing further to say to you.

******.. a post about an article about Buddy Whoever where I stated not many are interested & care more about RLWC or Soccer
EQUALS ...No one plays north of the Murray..
That is one of the stupidest ,most braindead things I have read on this site & there are plenty.
in your Bizzaro world 2+2= 1743
You got caught out lying..deal with it ******.
& just to help you out with your total lack of comprehension..
when you state someone says something ..make sure there is proof..not just your twisted version of things.

Unfortunately for you I NEVER ACCUSED YOU OF THAT -

I notice RD, Parra, AFLCrap1 and KE DON'T post when they can't nit pick the subject - again another example that these RL posters are working to one agenda - twist the facts so that RL is the National sport! These threads shows them to be VERY biased and insecure people!

I accused you of saying that RL is the National sport - which I said sorry for ANY OFFENCE I caused - but you read what you want to read! I agree TPG he is a bully - wanting to distort and twist for some perceived advantage. He's a loon!

[AFLcrap1]

Re numbers being lied about ... I've only seen one thing on that and that was some government committee. My reckoning on that is more spin than anything else... And I believe there are counter arguments to what some minister said. But I have no problems with spin to a point ... All companies try to put themselves I'm a favorable light. My recollection was that nsw numbers were given when western Sydney numbers were asked for or something like that.

I mean look at the nrl saying so many thousand had a rl experience in Victoria lol ... I mean what ever that is but hey, of course you're going to talk your product up and spin figures with loose terminology. Why the need to sell itself if popular ... All big companies do ... They would be negligent not to...look at coca cola ..how much do they spend on advertising ??

And AFL isn't popular to the levels they like in Sydney ... He'll even in Victoria they promote and sell the game ... It's a competitive market place and you've got to position yourself take take advantage ... Business 101... So that's why the AFL sell its self

Re numbers.
AFL registered players in NZ...20K

The Birchgrove oval lie...which as exposed.

The Senate committee hich you spoke about above..they were clearly asked how many in WS ..they cleary lied..real number 3 k AFL claim 20K.

Read Prof Lawsons report...Mo wonder Vlad hid it away ,as it exposed the Bullshit they go to to try to convince pollies/media ets how big & popular it is in Syd..

This is a few bits highlighted in SMH.

The AFL's boast of vast increases in participation numbers in western Sydney is misleading, according to a report commissioned by one of its key stakeholders.

This month's report, prepared by a Melbourne University academic at the request of AFL NSW/ACT, supports what many rugby league administrators have been saying for some time - the AFL is using registrations in its modified game of Auskick to bolster actual playing numbers.

The research appears to seriously question a claim last month by an AFL NSW senior official that participation numbers in the western Sydney region have grown by 27 per cent, or 10,000 players, in a single year.

Under the heading, ''Western Sydney - The Reality versus Perception Gap'', the report's author, David Lawson, notes: ''The reality is that junior club maturity and participation numbers appear to have stalled. There are 6 [per cent] less junior/youth players in 2012 than in 2009. The perception, however, is that the game is growing well. This perception is supported by masking low junior club numbers with Auskick numbers (Club, School and Community Auskick) and school program numbers. This optimistic, bullish perception is needed to market the game, however this perception urgently needs to be underpinned by committed junior club participants.''

Government officials at federal, state and local levels, who have poured millions of dollars into Auskick programs believing it encourages children to play regular sport, might also be alarmed to learn it can undermine actual playing numbers in Australian football.

The report says: ''In the chase for participant numbers in NSW and ACT, a shortened and often subsidised version of Auskick has been aggressively rolled out in primary schools (In-School Auskick) and after-school centres (Community Auskick) … Junior club feedback has indicated that the In-School and
Community versions have, at times, harmed Club Auskick.''

It appears Sydney kids, brought up on modified versions of other football codes, might be different to children from other capitals, preferring competitive games to skill practices.

The report says, ''Soccer, rugby league and rugby union introductory programs essentially comprise modified games whereas Auskick centres concentrate on skill acquisition drills. Interviews and surveys have suggested that in Sydney there is a preference for more game-based activities to complement skill-based content.''

No surprise, therefore, the section on juniors concludes: ''Converting young Australian football samplers into regular club participants with the subsequent engagement of parents, friends and colleagues, has not yet been as successful.''

The report is at odds with a media report on September 14, quoting AFL NSW's Dean Connors, that Australian football participation in western Sydney rose 27 per cent this year, with administrators confident the full impact of the region's new AFL club, GWS Giants, is yet to be felt.

''We've grown at this stage by 27per cent from last year's participation, which was 28,306,'' Connors is quoted as saying. ''There's been substantial growth from a very high base, so we're up around that 36,000-37,000 mark in participation in greater western Sydney.''

Both AFL surveys and Connors define a ''participant'' as a ''no-less-than-six-weeks paying customer'', but according to the AFL NSW/ACT report, playing numbers in junior Australian football across all of Sydney last year was 7694.

When AFL NSW applied to Leichhardt Council to install AFL goal posts on rugby league's birthplace, Birchgrove Oval, it withdrew when asked to verify its playing numbers.

Nor is there any reason to boast about Sydney's senior numbers.

The report says: ''With the growth of senior numbers halving (from 8 [per cent] to 4 per cent]), under-18s growth dropping from 12 [per cent] to 4 [per cent] and significantly more 100-point victories in 2012 in U18 division 1 and premier divisions, there appears good reason to maintain a watching brief.''


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/s ... z2loGngn5N

[Fred]

Wow ... You Are obviously more concerned about it then I thought. As I said, most companies apply spin when trying to sell their product ... Naturally. As mentioned nrl apparently claiming 50000 or so Victorians had a rl experience???

AFL is still significantly bigger in Sydney than it was 30 years ago wouldn't you agree?

Sydney swans have carved a nice niche if loyal supporters that now warrants swans getting media attention. Would you agree?

Aussie rules leagues in Sydney ... Being 5 .. Is pretty good too for nrl heartland. Could you imagine if rl had that amount of participation and leagues in Victoria ?
AFL has done well in growing the game in Sydney. Numerous players from Sydney play AFL at the top level which is your real indicator on grass roots support and infiltration into Sydney.