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Graham Langlands RL immortal died on 20 January this year and was buried with a host of RL royalty turning out for his funeral.

A HOST of rugby league’s biggest names have turned out on Monday for the funeral service of St George legend Graeme Langlands.

The likes of Steve Mortimer, Bob McCarthy and Mick Cronin were **** the hundreds who were present at Woronora Memorial Park in Sydney’s south, along with former Dragons stars Norm Provan, Craig Young, Mark Coyne, Graeme Wynn, Ben Hornby, Dean Young and Paul McGregor.

St George Illawarra CEO Peter Doust and NRL CEO Todd Greenberg also attended the service.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/rugby- ... 09393a8f54

Indeed St.George/Illawara have gone so far as retiring his no 1 jumper!


And the NRL were in full praise for the RL immortal.

The NRL has paid tribute to Langlands with CEO Todd Greenberg describing him as one of the finest players to take the field as he passed on his condolences to his family and friends.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/01/21/gra ... ies-at-76/

But a certain hypocracy exists in NRL HQ in being able to lavish praise on a RL immortal yet not even comment on serious hystorical sex abuse charges level against Langlands http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/league ... 9aadc142ea
Which ultimatley were not dealt with due to his being unfit to stand trial http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-2 ... ce/9197574.

Now everyone deserves to be presumed innocent and I am not saying he would have been found guilty. Furthermore I am not saying that this type of offending is the domain of RL. It happens in any code due to the sick perversions of the individual, RL is not to blame for that.

But for the NRL to effectively not comment on the allegations (even to acknowledge that person or persons have made serious allegations and that until resolved they will not comment). But worse still for a victim who will never have their day is for RL royalty with NRL HQ to effectively lavish tribute on such an individual is astonishing. Some posters on this forum regularly claim the high moral ground and regularly bring up Essendon saga (even though Cronulla did very similar) and Ablett (even thou he is not even in the Hall of fame). I guess its a simple case of building irvory towers and protecting the image of the NRL, they should have at the very least just acknowledged the victim/s.

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 pm

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

Didnt stad trial due to being unfit. The point is why didnt NRL even acknowledge it? Disrespectful to victims who will NEVER have their day in court.

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:11 pm

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 pm

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

Didnt stad trial due to being unfit. The point is why didnt NRL even acknowledge it? Disrespectful to victims who will NEVER have their day in court.

why would they acknowledge it.. for something that may or may not be true>>
to something that happened over 35 years ago...

the NRL is no position to be above the law and say sorry to "victims"
that Langlands was never charged with>>

he wasnt fit to stand trial>> he was months away from his deathbed..

if this same situation happened with the AFL or Cricket or Union
i would expect them to act the same way..

and respect the Sports Athlete that played there game by honouring him>>

IF GREAME LANGLANDS was proven guilty i would hear ya...
but he was not.

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:11 pm

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 pm

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

Didnt stad trial due to being unfit. The point is why didnt NRL even acknowledge it? Disrespectful to victims who will NEVER have their day in court.

What a pathetic attempt to disparage RL this lame thread is. A few small points for your small mind pal:

There was one alleged victim not multiple as inferred by you. The allegations were from nearly 40 years ago and allegedly occurred on the Gold Coast. They were made when it was well known Changa was in late stage dementia and suffering serveral chronic diseases. He died months after the allgations were made. His lawyers filed papers in any case showing that at the time of the allegations he was living and working in Sydney & had not visited the Gold Coast.

Under these circumstances the allegations were untested in a court of law & spurious in nature. The NRL or Saints were in no way obligated to acknowledge these allegations in any way.

Now back under your rock pal. Or maybe defend Gilligan against charges of deceiving the public & telling them lies in a case coming to court soon.

Oh dear .
A fumblefan throwing shit .
Last time shit like this was posted it was shown that AFL was as bad or worse .

In fact RD had a thread with a long list of proven...guilty pedos


So what happened
Bea locked or deleted the threads .

So once again it looks like round in a circle we go .
Trying to score points off unproven allegations .
Bright mob you fumblers .

Here's a thought
It might have looked far worse for GL if he'd paid 200k hush money to the victim .
Like a certain Syd Swans legend did to his sexual assault accuser .



This thread will easily be dumbest of the year .

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 pm

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:11 pm

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 pm

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

Didnt stad trial due to being unfit. The point is why didnt NRL even acknowledge it? Disrespectful to victims who will NEVER have their day in court.

why would they acknowledge it.. for something that may or may not be true>>
to something that happened over 35 years ago...

the NRL is no position to be above the law and say sorry to "victims"
that Langlands was never charged with>>

he wasnt fit to stand trial>> he was months away from his deathbed..

if this same situation happened with the AFL or Cricket or Union
i would expect them to act the same way..

and respect the Sports Athlete that played there game by honouring him>>

IF GREAME LANGLANDS was proven guilty i would hear ya...
but he was not.

1st he was not fit to be tried that is not an acquittal they remain allegations.

2nd Garry Ablett is not in the AFL hall of fame due to the taint of a girl passing away in his hotel room. He has never been charged or found guilty yet arguably one of the greatest FF remain not in the hall of fame. Rightly so.

3rd Immortal status is a highly respected status it must mean displaying attributes beyond the playing field. To not even suspend his status pending the outcome in the first place is what Im complaining about.

Lastly irrespective of the age of the allegations with no statute of limitations, the delay in the allegations only goes to issues of penalty if proven guilty.

It seems rather hypocritical that Crappier and used to tell all and sundry how bad AFL was because of a junior coach in NSW had been found guilty of similar offending until pinted out that RL has its share of sicko's. Now both KE and Crapper both harp on how the AFL are only interested in protecting its image. Here is a percect example of the NRL doing the same and now you see no issue in the NRL doing the same. I wonder what the victim would say.

Lol you think it was one AFL official
Jesus h
Talk about selective memory

Lol Terry's points & they were right went straight over your head .

Terry wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:12 pm

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:11 pm

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 pm

were they not just allegations against Langlands..
dating back decades ago... ( and never proved Guilty in Court)

the NRL should not have to answer to these questions>>
because Greame Langlands was never proven guilty of the act>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/g ... ce/9197574

he was IMMORTAL status and derserved to be acknowledged by the NRL and St George..

Didnt stad trial due to being unfit. The point is why didnt NRL even acknowledge it? Disrespectful to victims who will NEVER have their day in court.

What a pathetic attempt to disparage RL this lame thread is. A few small points for your small mind pal:

There was one alleged victim not multiple as inferred by you. The allegations were from nearly 40 years ago and allegedly occurred on the Gold Coast. They were made when it was well known Changa was in late stage dementia and suffering serveral chronic diseases. He died months after the allgations were made. His lawyers filed papers in any case showing that at the time of the allegations he was living and working in Sydney & had not visited the Gold Coast.

Under these circumstances the allegations were untested in a court of law & spurious in nature. The NRL or Saints were in no way obligated to acknowledge these allegations in any way.

Now back under your rock pal. Or maybe defend Gilligan against charges of deceiving the public & telling them lies in a case coming to court soon.

1st I didnt blame the NRL for the allegation just their failure to acknowledge it.

2nd age has nothing to do wheather there true or not. People go to gaol everyday from historial allegations.

3rd lastly they are untested because he was incapable of standing trail that is not an acquittal but a fairness issue to the accused.

Lastly read my comments before you go off the handle.

AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:43 pm

Lol you think it was one AFL official
Jesus h
Talk about selective memory

Lol Terry's points & they were right went straight over your head .

You have no F idea go away grown ups are talking.

Hit a nerve did I .

& grown ups learn their lesson first time they get smashed in a thread .
You haven't

Do you think if GL he'd paid his alleged victim 200k hush money like your swans legend Mickey O then this would have went away .
Lol

I seem to recall when Vlad was asked about that one .it was no comment .

Where was your outrage about the AFL saying nothing

Fucking hypocrite

AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:49 pm

Hit a nerve did I .

& grown ups learn their lesson first time they get smashed in a thread .
You haven't

Do you think if GL he'd paid his alleged victim 200k hush money like your swans legend Mickey O then this would have went away .
Lol

I seem to recall when Vlad was asked about that one .it was no comment .

Where was your outrage about the AFL saying nothing

Fucking hypocrite

And wheres there evidence for your claims. Your an idiot

I've posted before & will when I get home .

I'll wait for your disapproving rant about no AFL comment

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:44 pm

Graham Langlands RL immortal died on 20 January this year and was buried with a host of RL royalty turning out for his funeral.

A HOST of rugby league’s biggest names have turned out on Monday for the funeral service of St George legend Graeme Langlands.

The likes of Steve Mortimer, Bob McCarthy and Mick Cronin were **** the hundreds who were present at Woronora Memorial Park in Sydney’s south, along with former Dragons stars Norm Provan, Craig Young, Mark Coyne, Graeme Wynn, Ben Hornby, Dean Young and Paul McGregor.

St George Illawarra CEO Peter Doust and NRL CEO Todd Greenberg also attended the service.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/rugby- ... 09393a8f54

Indeed St.George/Illawara have gone so far as retiring his no 1 jumper!


And the NRL were in full praise for the RL immortal.

The NRL has paid tribute to Langlands with CEO Todd Greenberg describing him as one of the finest players to take the field as he passed on his condolences to his family and friends.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/01/21/gra ... ies-at-76/

But a certain hypocracy exists in NRL HQ in being able to lavish praise on a RL immortal yet not even comment on serious hystorical sex abuse charges level against Langlands http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/league ... 9aadc142ea
Which ultimatley were not dealt with due to his being unfit to stand trial http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-2 ... ce/9197574.

Now everyone deserves to be presumed innocent and I am not saying he would have been found guilty. Furthermore I am not saying that this type of offending is the domain of RL. It happens in any code due to the sick perversions of the individual, RL is not to blame for that.

But for the NRL to effectively not comment on the allegations (even to acknowledge that person or persons have made serious allegations and that until resolved they will not comment). But worse still for a victim who will never have their day is for RL royalty with NRL HQ to effectively lavish tribute on such an individual is astonishing. Some posters on this forum regularly claim the high moral ground and regularly bring up Essendon saga (even though Cronulla did very similar) and Ablett (even thou he is not even in the Hall of fame). I guess its a simple case of building irvory towers and protecting the image of the NRL, they should have at the very least just acknowledged the victim/s.

Really hitting below the belt now.

Swans4ever wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:23 pm

AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:49 pm

Hit a nerve did I .

& grown ups learn their lesson first time they get smashed in a thread .
You haven't

Do you think if GL he'd paid his alleged victim 200k hush money like your swans legend Mickey O then this would have went away .
Lol

I seem to recall when Vlad was asked about that one .it was no comment .

Where was your outrage about the AFL saying nothing

Fucking hypocrite

And wheres there evidence for your claims. Your an idiot

My mistake
Vlad said it was for the police .


Lol just like posters on here have said .
It's nothing to do with the NRL till someone's is found guilty.

Woman alleges rape by former AFL player
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The World Today - Monday, 3 May , 2004 12:31:22
Reporter: Alison Caldwell
ELIZABETH JACKSON: The Australian Football League is once again having to defend itself over its handling of rape allegations against its players.

An Australian woman has accused former AFL player, Adam Heuskes, of raping her in a London hotel room, while four of his then Brisbane Lions teammates watched on. The woman claims the incident happened in October 1999, when the club was on an end of season trip.

Ten months later, in an unrelated incident, Heuskes faced a charge of raping another woman outside an Adelaide nightclub.

The claims are made in tonight's edition of Four Corners on ABC television.

Heuskes now plays for a suburban Adelaide football club, and has refused to comment, as Alison Caldwell reports.

ALISON CALDWELL: The woman referred to as "Sarah" claims that on October the 6th, 1999, she caught up with a Brisbane Lions team member in a London pub. A friend of her boyfriend since high school, his team was in town on an end of season football trip.

She claims that night at the pub she had to resist the advances of another Brisbane player, Adam Heuskes. With her home some two hours away, her friend invited her to stay in his room that night.

Sarah says she fell asleep, but three hours later that night, she claims she was raped by player while at least four of his Brisbane Lions teammates watched on.

Speaking to Four Corners, "Sarah" names Adam Heuskes as the player who raped her.

SARAH: I know it was Adam because I met him in the pub earlier when I was completely sober, and I recognised his face when I was lying on my back and he was on top of me. And I did recognise his voice and I know it was him who turned me over and put me on my hands and knees.

ALISON CALDWELL: Tonight's Four Corners program raises serious questions about football rape, hush money and how cases never get to see a jury.

"Sarah" says she reported the attack two weeks later, but by the time Scotland Yard detectives began their investigations, the team was back in Australia. They all disputed the rape claim and no charges were laid.

In July 2000, Adam Heuskes quit the Lions, citing boredom. A fortnight later, he was accused of raping another woman, this time in Adelaide, outside a nightclub.

Along with Port Adelaide player, Peter Borgoyne, Heuskes was charged with sexual assault, but six weeks later the South Australian DPP, Paul Rofe, withdrew the charges. He maintains that there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction on any criminal charges.

But the woman's cousins refused to accept the DPP's decision. Speaking to Four Corners, they claim they went to see the DPP in person at the time.

WOMAN'S COUSIN: I strongly remember Paul Rofe saying that he believes 100 per cent that she was raped.

The rape was premeditated for the other two boys to be following, but legally he couldn't take it any further because it boiled down to a case of what he said, she said. So there were no witnesses are to the rape.

ALISON CALDWELL: Paul Rofe told Four Corners he considers his conversations with the victim and her family confidential.

In March this year, Adam Heuskes was named, along with Peter Borgoyne and Michael O'Loughlin, as the three players who contributed to a reported $200,000 payment to the Adelaide woman as part of a confidentiality agreement.

Sydney Swans star Michael O'Loughlin was never charged or interviewed by police. The three players deny the allegation that she was raped or sexually assaulted.

Peter Borgoyne still plays for Port Adelaide. The club reportedly fined him $5,000.

The club referred Four Corners to AFL chief Andrew Demetriou. He's speaking to reporter Ticky Fullerton.

ANDREW DEMETRIOU: Well, you have to direct those questions to the Port Adelaide Football Club…

TICKY FULLERTON: But they directed to ask you.

ANDREW DEMETRIOU: Yeah, but again, you've mentioned a word there which is alleged assault. Why Port Adelaide chose to fine Peter Burgoyne for being out at night, being in the appropriate place is a matter between Port Adelaide and the player. Again, I'm not privy to why they fined them, other than I know that there was a $5,000 fine.

TICKY FULLERTON: Could it have been because he was associating with Adam Heuskes?

ANDREW DEMETRIOU: I don't know. Again, I'm not privy to that information.

ALISON CALDWELL: At the time Adam Heuskes wasn't with a club, but he now plays for the state club, North Adelaide.

TICKY FULLERTON: Shouldn't the AFL have looked into this?

ANDREW DEMETRIOU: No, I think if he's an individual, anyone who's an individual in society, we have got the law.

ALISON CALDWELL: Four Corners made several approaches to Adam Heuskes. He hasn't responded.

ELEANOR HALL: Alison Caldwell, and more on that story on Four Corners tonight on ABC television at 8:30.