Hard sell for proud Bunnies
Date February 3, 2013
Adrian Proszenko
SOUTH SYDNEY may be the ''Pride of the League'' but the NRL club is worth next to nothing, according to an independent valuation.
Russell Crowe has flagged his intention to offload his 37.5 per cent share of the Rabbitohs but it is likely to be a tough sell based on recent financial performances.
Fairfax Media commissioned former fund manager Matthew Kidman, a Herald business writer, to scrutinise their books. Based on information available up until October 2011 - the latest financial report hasn't been released - Kidman described the foundation club as a ''horrible investment'' for prospective buyers.
The club's latest annual report states it recorded an $864,225 loss, has liabilities of $10,643,118 and assets of just $4,652,784. ''If it was traded on the share market, the equity would be worth zero and possibly negative because of the debt problem,'' Kidman said.
However, the greatest put-off for prospective owners is likely to be outstanding loans of $6.15 million - $1.65 million owed to Crowe and the rest owed to co-owner Peter Holmes a Court. The club has been unable to meet the repayments and the loan was renegotiated, with repayments to begin on October 31, 2015, and ''scheduled to be repaid evenly over a 10-year period''.
As yet, Holmes a Court has not indicated whether he also wants to part with his 37.5 per cent stake.
The pair bought 75 per cent of the club for $3 million in 2005. Souths have posted one operating profit in the past five years. ''From what I can see, the club has just been appallingly run,'' Kidman said. ''They've overspent, sold their assets and they are still not making money. Even if they make a profit next [financial] year, it won't change things significantly unless it's an enormous profit.''
Kidman believed the best chance of finding a buyer would be if the seller was prepared to forgive the debt or perhaps sell it off at favourable rates in exchange for equity.
''There are only two types of buyers - one who is emotional and happy to take over the debt and who will burn money doing it; or there is a buyer who does a debt deal with them,'' he said.
On the field, the Rabbitohs' stocks are soaring. They fell just one win short of the 2012 grand final and boast a roster which includes Greg Inglis, Sam Burgess, Issac Luke and Adam Reynolds. They are well on their way to meeting their target of 25,000 members for this season, with 19,662 already signed up at the time of writing. They also can boast strong crowd and sponsorship figures after improved on-field fortunes in recent years.
Making the sell harder for Souths is the fact that Melbourne and, reportedly, Brisbane are other NRL clubs looking for cashed-up buyers. The Broncos are one of the only NRL clubs to regularly make a profit.
NRL clubs are not the only teams struggling financially in the tough economy. A BBC Inside Out investigation found that Super League clubs faced a combined debt of £68.5 million.
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"Pride of the League" = "horrible investment"
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"Pride of the League" = "horrible investment"
What a mess. A financial basketcase and this is supposed to be one of the better performing NRL clubs. Further proof too that 15 of the 16 NRL clubs run at a massive loss.
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Well what do you expect with mostly dilapitated home venues? It's about time the NSW government got behind the game and made all the improvements needed to bring the crowds back to the RL heartland!
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But Dave said that all league clubs made a profit in 2012. Or something like that. Dave cant be wrong on everything can he?? He has to get something right eventually.
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Bring the crowds back.......Striker wrote:Well what do you expect with mostly dilapitated home venues? It's about time the NSW government got behind the game and made all the improvements needed to bring the crowds back to the RL heartland!
Wow, NRL dying in its own heartland! What a shambles! So much for private ownership, again
King-Eliagh: ...I believe [RL] is popular in all the other states and territories, bar tasmania.
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Hey look you aren't going to get an argument with me about private ownership!
But that doesn't stop government from lending a hand with the venues! We're not dying! We're just having some issues, and they can be overcome.
But that doesn't stop government from lending a hand with the venues! We're not dying! We're just having some issues, and they can be overcome.
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Re: "Pride of the League" = "horrible investment"
most football clubs aren't viable commercial entities
ie .... an owner will never make money out of it
there are very few exceptions
the only reason Crowe & Holmes a Court bought the bunnies was their love of the club & a desire to " help it out " back in late 2006
the Bunnies are so much stronger now 6 seasons later
they WILL turn a profit this season as ALL NRL clubs will ... with an extra 3 Million straight off the bat from the NRL this year plus increased revenue from memberships ( they'll be up by 4 or 5K members on last year ) & increased average crowds ( they'll be at ova 20K) expected due to Souths being tipped as a front runner for this years premiership
compare the above to a randomly selected vicky kicky clubs .... oh ... I dunno .. say Poort Poopedmepants
If Souths are worthless
how much would these bumbling ********* be worth ?

ie .... an owner will never make money out of it
there are very few exceptions
the only reason Crowe & Holmes a Court bought the bunnies was their love of the club & a desire to " help it out " back in late 2006
the Bunnies are so much stronger now 6 seasons later
they WILL turn a profit this season as ALL NRL clubs will ... with an extra 3 Million straight off the bat from the NRL this year plus increased revenue from memberships ( they'll be up by 4 or 5K members on last year ) & increased average crowds ( they'll be at ova 20K) expected due to Souths being tipped as a front runner for this years premiership
compare the above to a randomly selected vicky kicky clubs .... oh ... I dunno .. say Poort Poopedmepants
If Souths are worthless
how much would these bumbling ********* be worth ?
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piesman2011 wrote:But Dave said that all league clubs made a profit in 2012. Or something like that. Dave cant be wrong on everything can he?? He has to get something right eventually.
ah..... no dickbrain
I said they'd ALL be profitable .... in 2013
seriously
your strike rate of wrongdom .. is a site to behold
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Xman wrote:Bring the crowds back.......Striker wrote:Well what do you expect with mostly dilapitated home venues? It's about time the NSW government got behind the game and made all the improvements needed to bring the crowds back to the RL heartland!![]()
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Wow, NRL dying in its own heartland! What a shambles! So much for private ownership, again
king cockhead strikes again
Marcus
a clown who's codes comp includes poort powerfailure ... & about 8 others who combined would lose more money in one year
then every NRL club combined would in 3 .....
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Sookerwhos V Japan 238K
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
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Raiderdave wrote:piesman2011 wrote:But Dave said that all league clubs made a profit in 2012. Or something like that. Dave cant be wrong on everything can he?? He has to get something right eventually.
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I said they'd ALL be profitable .... in 2013
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your strike rate of wrongdom .. is a site to behold
Sure you did
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piesman2011 wrote:Raiderdave wrote:piesman2011 wrote:But Dave said that all league clubs made a profit in 2012. Or something like that. Dave cant be wrong on everything can he?? He has to get something right eventually.
ah..... no dickbrain![]()
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I said they'd ALL be profitable .... in 2013
seriously![]()
your strike rate of wrongdom .. is a site to behold
Sure you did![]()
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I tell ya what
if you can show us where I said all 16 NRL clubs turned profits last year (2012)
I'll leave Talking Footy for good
but if you can't
you're to leave for good
alternatively ..... just admit you are wrong .. again
& we'll all just move on
K?
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million
Sookerwhos V Japan 238K
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million
Sookerwhos V Japan 238K
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Raiderdave wrote:compare the above to a randomly selected vicky kicky clubs .... oh ... I dunno .. say Poort Poopedmepants
If Souths are worthless
how much would these bumbling ********* be worth ?
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Drac wrote:Raiderdave wrote:compare the above to a randomly selected vicky kicky clubs .... oh ... I dunno .. say Poort Poopedmepants
If Souths are worthless
how much would these bumbling ********* be worth ?
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a singletball fan .. so from the dumbest fans there are in Aust .... from SA... so the dumbest state in Aust
lecturing people on what things mean
the cake ... its been taken
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Raiderdave said:
You were right (with no editing for once) The only issue is that on the 3rd of Feburary 2013 South Sydney have announced a loss..........
all 16 NRL clubs ... with hugely increased grants .. & minimal rises in costs & expenditure
will finish in the black in 2013
You were right (with no editing for once) The only issue is that on the 3rd of Feburary 2013 South Sydney have announced a loss..........
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piesman2011 wrote:Raiderdave said:all 16 NRL clubs ... with hugely increased grants .. & minimal rises in costs & expenditure
will finish in the black in 2013
The only issue is that on the 3rd of Feburary 2013 South Sydney have announced a loss..........
yes they did ..... but
for 2012
so how is that an issue... relating to where I'm proving you wrong ... again ?
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NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
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NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
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Sookerwhos V Japan 238K
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
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NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million
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But But But...
I will give you the win on that one Dave.. =D> =D>
I will give you the win on that one Dave.. =D> =D>
