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Bid teams are vowing not to give up the fight to get a team into the NRL despite the ARL Commission effectively ruling out any expansion until at least 2017.

The ARLC on Monday handed down its strategic plan for the next five years, which included a new logo, a commitment to a $200 million investment into grassroots development and a goal of doubling club membership to 400,000 by 2017.

But those targets will have to be achieved without any new clubs, expansion taken off the agenda for the next two years - which in reality means no new teams for at least five years.

It's a blow for the seven organisations - including groups from Brisbane, Ipswich, Perth and the NSW Central Coast - that have already invested substantial money in battling for a berth.

But news of the extended time frame did not deter some.

"We've done a lot of homework and we're ready to go now. But if we have to wait until 2017, so be it," said Craig Davison, head of the Brisbane Bombers bid.

"Having a team in the NRL is a 100-year exercise so what's another few years when it comes to getting it right."

Disappointed Central Coast Bears bid chief Greg Florimo said while he would not let his dream die, he wasn't sure whether the would-be club's investors would be as keen.

"We'll have to assess whether we can fund another two or three years in the wilderness, sitting around not operating," Florimo said.

"That's going to be the biggest issue for us, whether the stakeholders want to sit around that long.

"We have to have to sit down with the members and the board to decide where we go from here. I feel we've put in too much hard work to this point just to let it drift away."

Florimo admitted that when he first started the push in 2009 he envisaged it becoming reality in 2013 to the point they even had t-shirts made up with the branding 'Here come the Bears in 2013'.

That target was based on the new broadcast rights taking effect in 2013, but in truth it was the negotiation of those rights - during which Nine Network boss David Gyngell stated there was not an appetite for more games - that the chances of expansion nosedived.

ARLC chairman John Grant said it was vital that the league not only ensure the existing 16 clubs were on a strong financial footing first, but also that the game expanded for the right reasons.

"That's the purpose of doing a full review, which has not been done," Grant said.

"We have not undertaken as an administration a review of what does expansion mean for us, where should we expand, on what basis should we expand, what are the criteria for our footy clubs?

"There's a whole bunch of questions that remain unanswered."

First the ARLC wants to get its own house in order, as they take on greater control over clubs with payment to each franchise to be performance-based from 2014 onwards.

Clubs will find out on Wednesday just how much they will have to spend in 2013 but beyond that they will need to prove their growth as an entity to ensure their funding.

Chief executive of the newly united Central Queensland NRL bid group and Central Queensland Capras, Dennis Keeffe, said the expansion announcement had been flagged.

"It was expected," Keeffe told AAP.

"Some projects take a long time to come out of the ground, this one is a bit longer than we would have liked. "I still think there may be a twist and turn or two yet but if that's the case, we're happy do to that."

All the nRL flogs have been telling me that the new teams would be announced at the end of this year and introduced by 2014 or 2015? What happened? Does it have something to do with the league not having a CEO for over 4 months and not appearing any closer to getting one? :oops:
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The only place they can expand to is the central coast which will take fans away from the broncos and struggle like the titans. The rest of Australia have no interest and the NRL know it.
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How the hell would a team on the central coast take away fans from the broncos?
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WESTERN Australia has renewed hope it can win an NRL franchise in the "medium term'' after the league yesterday announced it would review its stance on expansion at the end of the 2014 season.

Australian Rugby League chairman John Grant said yesterday during a visit to Perth it was ``highly unlikely'' the NRL would not become an 18-team competition and asked WA fans to be patient.

``It is highly unlikely that given the growth aspirations we've got for the game in the next five years, that we won't have a sufficient base and momentum to create new NRL clubs,'' he said.

``We have to go through the right process to do that. This is not a five-year, ten-year decision, this is a 20, 30, 40-year decision. It has got to be right.

``We are playing a long-term game here. What I would say to the supporters of rugby league here and the people that got behind the proposal that did come forward, is it is a long-term play. We want you to stay involved and let's










... just see where the next step takes us.

``You didn't lose.

``Now it is an opportunity for WA to put the facts in front of me to make us more aware of the WA situation and will continue to work on that together.''

Grant confirmed the NRL was looking at playing three games in Perth next season.

It is believed two of those will be twilight games on Sundays, allowing the games to be televised live back to the eastern States on Sunday nights.

South Sydney is locked in, possibly against the Warriors in early July in the middle of the State-of-Origin series when the momentum around the code is at fever pitch.

Penrith is also believed to be keen on a clash with reigning champion Melbourne Storm and there is speculation surrounding the Canberra Raiders playing a game.

The Panthers will meet with WARL officials and NRL director commercial and marketing Paul Kind on November 8.

``We'll bring three NRL fixtures here this year,'' Grant said.

``Clearly WA is on our agenda and probably more so than it has been in the past in terms of that degree of involvement.

``We hope that will allow the fan base to remain polarised around NRL. We acknowledge the difficulties that the uncertainty around expansion has created.''

WA's hopes of an NRL team in the short term were crushed when the NRL completed negotiations with the Nine Network and Foxtel on a new TV rights package. Nine boss David Gyngell said there was no appetite for more games.

The ARLC announced on Monday expansion was off the menu when it unveiled a five-year strategic plan on Monday, launching a new logo and funding of $200 million for grassroots development.

But Grant said yesterday a new WA franchise could be admitted to the competition in the medium term.

``If we came out of the back of a review in 2014 and we determined that there was a case for expansion and we identified where expansion should be then I think you would want to move pretty quickly,'' he said.

``And it seems to me to be an opportunity to start to parallel some discussions if you had a sense of where the outcome is going to be rather than try and make it sequential.''

He denied the NRL was giving other codes such as Super 15 and the AFL a ``free kick'' by delaying a decision on expansion.

Grant used the comparison that the AFL had to spent $10 on every potential fan in the NRL heartland of western sydney whereas the NRL only had to spend $1 on each fan to keep them.

``It is different strategies for different outcomes and it depends on your bank account balance. That helps. We haven't got a bank account balance quite as strong as AFL at the moment,'' he said.

``But over time we expect that will be the case.

``You need to make sure that every dollar you spend you spend wisely.''

Grant conceded the WA time zone was appealing.

``There are advantages to schedule games so they can be watched live consecutively. That goes all the way from
New Zealand across to Perth so as we contemplate the criteria by which we make decisions that certainly has to play into it,'' he said.

West Australian Rugby League chairman Richard Campbell said the NRL had given his organisation a ``road map and some vision of where we want to be'' and was confident that sponsors would stay on board.

``Over the next two years I see ourselves as having a real chance of not only growing the code here but also going further into that development process for an NRL franchise,'' he said.

WARL chief executive John Sackson conceded it was a ``tough gig'' to keep WA rugby league fans on course.

``Certainly it is challenging. We are looking at a further delay after expectations had been set, and stakeholders' appetites had been wet,'' he said.

``But we have faith in our stakeholders, we have faith in our sponsors, we believe there is a real loyalty to us. They can see where the game is going now.

``At least now what John and the commission have identified is we have a real destination now. We have a real target to aim for and to plan towards and that is post-season 2014.

``If we can speed up the process then fantastic. That is really up to us to be aggressive.''

Grant conceded the NRL had allowed speculation over expansion go on for too long, giving WA fans false hope that a local team was imminent.

``We let the process run. I don't think we put enough boundaries around it, and I don't think we gave enough clarity,'' he said.



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they can put a team in Perth but the following there is miniscule. Regular ratings of 3k for live nRL in a city of nearly 2 million is appalling. The Storm get ratings of 20-30k, nearly 10 times Perth. Imagine the regular crowds a Perth team would get given the storm only draw 12k!
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Didn't a trial game atract over 16k and Many vs warriors get over 20k. Imagine what they could get if they had there own team to support.
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When is the nRL coming back to Adelaide?
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Wrong again stewie.... :lol:

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The West Coast Pirates have vowed to make their bid for a Perth-based NRL side "irresistible" when the ARL Commission (ARLC) puts expansion back on the agenda in 2014.

The seven organisations bidding for a NRL side - including groups from Brisbane, Ipswich, Perth and the NSW central coast - were dealt a huge blow on Monday when the ARLC effectively ruled out expansion until at least 2017.

The Pirates are hot favourites to be granted a NRL licence when the league eventually decides to expand, with Western Australia's time zone playing into the bid team's favour.

The Western Australian Rugby League (WARL) have been working since 2007 to get a Perth-based NRL side up and running.

WARL chief executive John Sackson admitted the latest delay in expansion had been a big blow, but said it wouldn't deter the Pirates from coming back stronger when the issue was re-opened at the end of the 2014 season.

"I can't deny the outcome is very disappointing for us, because we were led to believe that expansion was probably likely," Sackson said on Thursday.

"One of the most frustrating things over recent times has been the uncertainly and the misleading speculation.

"But at least now ... we have a real destination, a real target to aim for and to plan towards, and that is post-season 2014.


"We want to build a team that has strong foundations and a club that's going to be here for an eternity, not one that will crash and burn.

"We hope at some point the bid is going to become irresistible.

"We know the Commission and the NRL ultimately want to become a national competition.

"To do that, they've got to come to Perth. So it's up to us to keep strengthening the foundations of the game here."

ARLC chairman John Grant confirmed Perth would host three NRL fixtures in 2013, with South Sydney a confirmed starter for one of the matches.

And Grant hinted Perth was well placed to have a NRL side once expansion was given the green light, especially with the $95 million redevelopment of nib Stadium underway.

"Clearly, WA is on our agenda, probably more so that it has in the past," Grant said after meeting the WARL's hierarchy in Perth.

"It's difficult not to look out this window and see the brand new stands going up around a rectangular field.

"That certainly greases the rails in a lot of ways. Well done to the WA government and the WARL's part in making this happen. That's a key part of this whole matrix."

Grant said it was just a matter of time before the league expanded.

"It's highly unlikely - given the growth aspirations we've got for the game in the next five years - that we won't have sufficient base and momentum to create new NRL clubs," Grant said.
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Didn't a trial game atract over 16k and Many vs warriors get over 20k. Imagine what they could get if they had there own team to support.
One off games arent a comparison to regular home and away games.

20k is nearly double the storms home crowds yet the storm rate far far far higher in Melbourne than RL in Perth.
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Didn't a trial game atract over 16k and Many vs warriors get over 20k. Imagine what they could get if they had there own team to support.
One off games arent a comparison to regular home and away games.

20k is nearly double the storms home crowds yet the storm rate far far far higher in Melbourne than RL in Perth.
There's been a few cases where the nRL has rated so low in Adelaide, that the listed figure for it was 0. I think that occurs when there's less than 500 viewers if it's rounded up to the nearest thousand from every 500.
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Getting a crowd to a once a year event is not the same thing as getting them regularly to 12 games a year. SOO sold out in Melbourne as a one-off event, but the Storm (in a premiership year) averaged 12k.

The fact that the head of the WARL wants a team in Perth is not indicative of a strong demand in Perth for a team. But then I guess that's why they call it expansion. There's no point expanding into areas where you're already popular. Which is why the AFL expanded into GC/WS instead of Tassie.
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SOO sold out because it was at a big venue that people wanted. If the Storm played there as well we could up our average by loads!

AFL should be in Tasmania with a team instead of wasting their money (Hi Izzy, Bye Izzy!) on battles that they can't win and shouldn't expect to!

I'd like to see the NRL take it to AFL heartland, but we need bums on seats first and that means improving facilities and making venues attractive instead of TV sets!
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Striker wrote:
SOO sold out because it was at a big venue that people wanted. If the Storm played there as well we could up our average by loads!

AFL should be in Tasmania with a team instead of wasting their money (Hi Izzy, Bye Izzy!) on battles that they can't win and shouldn't expect to!

I'd like to see the NRL take it to AFL heartland, but we need bums on seats first and that means improving facilities and making venues attractive instead of TV sets!
That problem will never go away my friend. And it has nothing to do with improving the facilities! ANZ and Allianz Stadium both have good facilities, probably better than Football Park in Adelaide and Subiaco in Perth, but crowds still don't show to the poor man's rugby. I wonder why :-k

Maybe because it's a boring sport that keeps on getting worse every year? :wink:
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Striker wrote:
SOO sold out because it was at a big venue that people wanted. If the Storm played there as well we could up our average by loads!

AFL should be in Tasmania with a team instead of wasting their money (Hi Izzy, Bye Izzy!) on battles that they can't win and shouldn't expect to!

I'd like to see the NRL take it to AFL heartland, but we need bums on seats first and that means improving facilities and making venues attractive instead of TV sets!
The AFL are in Tassie. Theyve been playing there for a number of years now.

Plenty would have said the AFL are wasting their time with the Swans and Lions too but now they are powerful clubs with excellent followings. The suns and giants are just starting. Time is needed for them to succeed.
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Xman wrote:
Striker wrote:
SOO sold out because it was at a big venue that people wanted. If the Storm played there as well we could up our average by loads!

AFL should be in Tasmania with a team instead of wasting their money (Hi Izzy, Bye Izzy!) on battles that they can't win and shouldn't expect to!

I'd like to see the NRL take it to AFL heartland, but we need bums on seats first and that means improving facilities and making venues attractive instead of TV sets!
The AFL are in Tassie. Theyve been playing there for a number of years now.

Plenty would have said the AFL are wasting their time with the Swans and Lions too but now they are powerful clubs with excellent followings. The suns and giants are just starting. Time is needed for them to succeed.
yes it takes time .....
after 30 years
the swines are going backward from 5 years ago
the wions are all but dead

yes .... 30 years hasn't been long enough 8-[

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