Swines Chairmen " VFL Falling apart"

[Raiderdave]

wow
the chairmen of the Swines seems like a fairly straight shooter
& he is saying things are not good ... not good at all
of course the deluded morons in here will just stick their heads up each others @rses & refuse to believe its not all fairies & pixy dust from one end of VFL land to the other

but to quote a phrase to put some perspective on this .... this is
" straight from the horses mouth "

http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/coll ... 27p4g.html


SYDNEY chairman Richard Colless has questioned the AFL's commitment to 10 clubs in Victoria in calling for a wide-ranging review of the competition.

Describing the disparity between rich and poor clubs as ''a ticking time bomb'' the game's longest-serving chairman has called upon the game to ''stop pussy-footing about the problem and put it on the table''.

The AFL Commission and executive has responded to Colless's strongly-worded proposal and has confirmed it will hold a two-day summit before the start of next season to bring together the 18 presidents and chief executives.

It is believed Colless has already put some of the wealthier clubs offside by proposing taking profits from blockbuster games and distributing them **** the poorer clubs. He has also raised capping football department spending.

Advertisement In a letter obtained by the Herald and distributed to club presidents and the AFL, he has written: ''It is not being alarmist to state that in our view more than several clubs could be considered technically insolvent without the financial guarantee of the AFL.''He described the Swans, this year's premiers, as ''perpetually one bad season away from serious financial difficulty''.Colless stressed yesterday he was not pushing for a reduction of clubs but wanted the AFL to clarify its position on retaining 10 clubs in Victoria. ''As a business model I'm interested to hear how the AFL sees the competition in five years,'' said Colless, ''not 30 years as they have looked at in their models.

''Do we want a team in Tasmania? Are we wedded to 10 clubs in Victoria? Is that set in stone because if not that changes the debate. Personally I would walk over broken glass to retain all our clubs but I want to hear where the AFL sees it.

''I'm not pushing any particular line but I'm not sure if the AFL has any firm answers on how Port Adelaide, Brisbane and the Western Bulldogs for example continue to defy gravity when capital and current expenditure in football costs continue to jump.''The poorer clubs are being seen as a drag on the wealthy clubs. Do we just allow the market economy to rule and everyone take care of their own or do we continue with the socialistic approach. Do AFL subsidies take away creativity?''

Colless's push for a summit was applauded by most fellow presidents increasingly frustrated at attending AFL ''information sessions'' rather than debating the growing concerns over the games lopsided structure - a structure Colless warned in his letter would ''ultimately have an adverse impact on supporters, sponsors and media rights''.

''This is not a debate over whether we have one or two substitutes,'' Colless told the Herald. ''That is not something we need to be interested in. If we are to have a two-day summit without pushing our own agendas we need to put it on the table that half the AFL clubs are struggling to survive.''

[King-Eliagh]

Fuuuuuukkkk eh... The longest serving Chairmen in the game. Can't really go against that experience..."Half the AFL clubs struggling to survive" ... "A ticking time bomb" Looks like you AFL supporters shoulda been listenin to ol Raiderdave and King-Eliagh after all.

[Xman]

15 of 16 nRL clubs wouldn't survive without handouts. They just call them grants.

[Raiderdave]

15 of 16 nRL clubs wouldn't survive without handouts. They just call them grants.

typical D head response ..... hide from the issues in its game

take the grant away tomorrow & yeah .. we'd have some clubs fall over
about half I'd say ...
just the same as the VFL
thing is ... we have half the crowds
a third of the membership & turnover .... but are in no worse a position
& with a sh.it load more broadcast revenue.. will be in a better position by the end of this TV deal in 2017

the Shi.t for brains VFL fans in here keep telling us .. we're all that
we're sooooooo big
we have ssssooooooooo much turnover

as I tried to tell them ... that means nothing
& it seems the chairmen of the swines agrees with me

[Xman]

15 of 16 nRL clubs wouldn't survive without handouts. They just call them grants.

typical D head response ..... hide from the issues in its game

take the grant away tomorrow & yeah .. we'd have some clubs fall over
about half I'd say ...
just the same as the VFL
thing is ... we have half the crowds
a third of the membership & turnover .... but are in no worse a position
& with a sh.it load more broadcast revenue.. will be in a better position by the end of this TV deal in 2017

the Shi.t for brains VFL fans in here keep telling us .. we're all that
we're sooooooo big
we have ssssooooooooo much turnover

as I tried to tell them ... that means nothing
& it seems the chairmen of the swines agrees with me

Again, just plain stupidity from you!

The nRL are in far worse a position. You have small run down stadiums. You have a poor TV coverage. You have smaller sponsorship deals.

The AFL have room to cut cost. Many AFL clubs work perfectly well on 30m. Most earn significantly more and use their extra funds to finance better facilities, support crew etc...

It's all a matter of equity. Poorer clubs are spending above their means to compete with richer clubs. All they need to do is cap expenditure so they are similar and most issues will go away.

[Raiderdave]

15 of 16 nRL clubs wouldn't survive without handouts. They just call them grants.

typical D head response ..... hide from the issues in its game

take the grant away tomorrow & yeah .. we'd have some clubs fall over
about half I'd say ...
just the same as the VFL
thing is ... we have half the crowds
a third of the membership & turnover .... but are in no worse a position
& with a sh.it load more broadcast revenue.. will be in a better position by the end of this TV deal in 2017

the Shi.t for brains VFL fans in here keep telling us .. we're all that
we're sooooooo big
we have ssssooooooooo much turnover

as I tried to tell them ... that means nothing
& it seems the chairmen of the swines agrees with me

Again, just plain stupidity from you!

It's all a matter of equity. Poorer clubs are spending above their means to compete with richer clubs. All they need to do is cap expenditure so they are similar and most issues will go away.

oh so they just need to give up trying to compete then ?





oh marcus ... what a **** you are

[Xman]

Comprehension fail...

All they need to do is cap operational spending so all teams are on a level plying field. That's the cause of the problem. The richer teams have bigger operational budgets for more medical staff, coaches etc. The smaller clubs attempt to compete and end up requiring assistance.

This has been proposed before. If push comes to shove it'll happen.

[Raiderdave]

Comprehension fail...

All they need to do is cap operational spending so all teams are on a level plying field. That's the cause of the problem. The richer teams have bigger operational budgets for more medical staff, coaches etc. The smaller clubs attempt to compete and end up requiring assistance.

This has been proposed before. If push comes to shove it'll happen.

oh gimme a break

you lot are talking about measures to impliment a level playing field
but you can't even get the basic principals of a level playing field right ... like the salary cap & draft picks

how can you look at the 3rd tier of a level playing field .. without fixing up tiers 1 & 2 first ?
when will it even be looked at

the swines of been getting a financial advantage .. for the last 30 years
the thuns & midgits will probably .. for the next 30
your game wants to tell clubs like Collinswart .. it has to restrict expenditure .. while the swines get an extra million a year to spend on players.. to retain them & .. to poach them like they are now ?
they'd have every right to tell the VFL to get F'ed

your game had an opportunity to get this cluster f.ark right a few years back ... to as you say .. even the playing field
bring up the bottom of its comp & get it closer to its head

but it chose to go exactly the opposite way ... to entrench the uneven paying field
by expanding when it didn't need to
to blow the war chest on a egotistical w@nk .. & make it even harder to right the ship anytime soon as a result
by empowering the next generation of clubs to get advantages others don't

the vfl is just talking out of its @ss like it always does
as wot your advocating should occur to help the half of the comp that are barely getting by ... will never happen

[King-Eliagh]

Yes well said RD. =D> =D> =D>

And might I add a note for our members. Who would you rather listen to/who do you think knows what they're talking about --- the longest standing Chairmen in the AFL? Or Xman? It's a no contest folks!

[piesman2011]

Dave,

Is it more expensive to live in Sydney then to live in Melbourne? If so how can the AFL get players to play for Sydney when the cost of living there is more? The only way I can think of off the top of my head is that Sydney need to have a bit more money in their cap (perhaps 10% if the cost of living is 10% more in Sydney) to get players to play for the Swans or the Giants.
Perhaps a factor in the NRL for the Storms success is that they can convince players to stay in Melbourne because the cost of living is less. Maybe the Storm have an unfair advantage. They have had so much success over the last 15 years. Even if you count only the last few years after they were done for cheating they have still been minor premiers in 2011 and premiers in 2012. Maybe the reason is just living in Melbourne just simply makes all sports people better athletes.

[Xman]

Comprehension fail...

All they need to do is cap operational spending so all teams are on a level plying field. That's the cause of the problem. The richer teams have bigger operational budgets for more medical staff, coaches etc. The smaller clubs attempt to compete and end up requiring assistance.

This has been proposed before. If push comes to shove it'll happen.

oh gimme a break

you lot are talking about measures to impliment a level playing field
but you can't even get the basic principals of a level playing field right ... like the salary cap & draft picks

how can you look at the 3rd tier of a level playing field .. without fixing up tiers 1 & 2 first ?
when will it even be looked at

the swines of been getting a financial advantage .. for the last 30 years
the thuns & midgits will probably .. for the next 30
your game wants to tell clubs like Collinswart .. it has to restrict expenditure .. while the swines get an extra million a year to spend on players.. to retain them & .. to poach them like they are now ?
they'd have every right to tell the VFL to get F'ed

your game had an opportunity to get this cluster f.ark right a few years back ... to as you say .. even the playing field
bring up the bottom of its comp & get it closer to its head

but it chose to go exactly the opposite way ... to entrench the uneven paying field
by expanding when it didn't need to
to blow the war chest on a egotistical w@nk .. & make it even harder to right the ship anytime soon as a result
by empowering the next generation of clubs to get advantages others don't

the vfl is just talking out of its @ss like it always does
as wot your advocating should occur to help the half of the comp that are barely getting by ... will never happen

The salary cap is even except for NSW sides which is reasonable. The draft? It's perfectly fair.

The rest of your post is

The only issue with clubs asking the AFL for money is to even up operational expenditure. Capping it would do that.

[Raiderdave]

Dave,

Is it more expensive to live in Sydney then to live in Melbourne? If so how can the AFL get players to play for Sydney when the cost of living there is more? The only way I can think of off the top of my head is that Sydney need to have a bit more money in their cap (perhaps 10% if the cost of living is 10% more in Sydney) to get players to play for the Swans or the Giants.
Perhaps a factor in the NRL for the Storms success is that they can convince players to stay in Melbourne because the cost of living is less. Maybe the Storm have an unfair advantage. They have had so much success over the last 15 years. Even if you count only the last few years after they were done for cheating they have still been minor premiers in 2011 and premiers in 2012. Maybe the reason is just living in Melbourne just simply makes all sports people better athletes.

they're the premiers for F sake ... 4GF's.. 2 titles .. & 14 out of 17 finals campaigns since 1995 ..
yeah it'd be real hard to attract players wouldn't it ?

did you know its more expensive to live in Perth .. then Melbourne
yet do the 2 sides over there get a concession on their cap ?
no .. they've been flatly turned down
based on this horse sh.it excuse the VFL uses ... they should get something .. but because its nothing but a keep the expansion sides strong unfairly .. but not sides in tradtional areas because the sport is actually popular there .. concession
they don't

how can you half even the playing field ....
you can't be half pregnant
either you are or you aren't ..... if they implement measures to .. " level the playing field " .. while ignoring others that keep expansion clubs in business
then they'll have even less credibility then they do now
& thats no mean feat

[Raiderdave]

Comprehension fail...

All they need to do is cap operational spending so all teams are on a level plying field. That's the cause of the problem. The richer teams have bigger operational budgets for more medical staff, coaches etc. The smaller clubs attempt to compete and end up requiring assistance.

This has been proposed before. If push comes to shove it'll happen.

oh gimme a break

you lot are talking about measures to impliment a level playing field
but you can't even get the basic principals of a level playing field right ... like the salary cap & draft picks

how can you look at the 3rd tier of a level playing field .. without fixing up tiers 1 & 2 first ?
when will it even be looked at

the swines of been getting a financial advantage .. for the last 30 years
the thuns & midgits will probably .. for the next 30
your game wants to tell clubs like Collinswart .. it has to restrict expenditure .. while the swines get an extra million a year to spend on players.. to retain them & .. to poach them like they are now ?
they'd have every right to tell the VFL to get F'ed

your game had an opportunity to get this cluster f.ark right a few years back ... to as you say .. even the playing field
bring up the bottom of its comp & get it closer to its head

but it chose to go exactly the opposite way ... to entrench the uneven paying field
by expanding when it didn't need to
to blow the war chest on a egotistical w@nk .. & make it even harder to right the ship anytime soon as a result
by empowering the next generation of clubs to get advantages others don't

the vfl is just talking out of its @ss like it always does
as wot your advocating should occur to help the half of the comp that are barely getting by ... will never happen

The salary cap is even except for NSW sides which is reasonable. The draft? It's perfectly fair.

The rest of your post is

The only issue with clubs asking the AFL for money is to even up operational expenditure. Capping it would do that.

oh
the Thuns get an extra 2 Million a year to spend
the gold coast is in NSW now is it ?

& the midgits get an extra 2 million ... plus another 2 million for the cost of living allowance .. despite all its players living a complex at breakfast point
paid for by the VFL


its a contrived .. manipulated mess tis the ol VFL ... & you reckon they'll look at measures to

.. even it up

good luck with that

[Drac]

oh
the Thuns get an extra 2 Million a year to spend
the gold coast is in NSW now is it ?

& the midgits get an extra 2 million ... plus another 2 million for the cost of living allowance .. despite all its players living a complex at breakfast point
paid for by the VFL


its a contrived .. manipulated mess tis the ol VFL ... & you reckon they'll look at measures to

.. even it up

good luck with that

GWS do not have $4million in extra salary cap. If you actually think that GWS have FOUR MILLION DOLLARS of extra salary cap space, you are no longer functionally ********. The functional aspect will have to be removed from the title of your medical condition.

Breakfast point rent was included in their salary cap. The players from the first year are moving out of the facility to make room for the next batch of draftees, whose rent will be included in the cap.

The Suns and Giants have higher salary caps because they're new teams that need to establish themselves. The Giants will have the concession longer than the Suns because they'll need it to keep their high draft picks from fleeing the toilet that is Western Sydney.

[Raiderdave]

oh
the Thuns get an extra 2 Million a year to spend
the gold coast is in NSW now is it ?

& the midgits get an extra 2 million ... plus another 2 million for the cost of living allowance .. despite all its players living a complex at breakfast point
paid for by the VFL


its a contrived .. manipulated mess tis the ol VFL ... & you reckon they'll look at measures to

.. even it up

good luck with that

GWS do not have $4million in extra salary cap. If you actually think that GWS have FOUR MILLION DOLLARS of extra salary cap space, you are no longer functionally ********. The functional aspect will have to be removed from the title of your medical condition.

Breakfast point rent was included in their salary cap. The players from the first year are moving out of the facility to make room for the next batch of draftees, whose rent will be included in the cap.

The Suns and Giants have higher salary caps because they're new teams that need to establish themselves. The Giants will have the concession longer than the Suns because they'll need it to keep their high draft picks from fleeing the toilet that is Western Sydney.

all I'm reading is but but but

like I said
the VFL is not interested in leveling up anything .... its a rigged .. contrived ... manipulated .. joke