Talking Footy

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

yeah sure marcus .... sure

an accident

a fierce campaign was on its way
you didn't have the resolve

folded like a 2 bob deck chair

as you were, please proceed. What were you saying about regional ratings? So what part of 4 regional markets (QLD, NNSW, SNSW, VIC) includes Tasmania and WA?

point us to the breakdown in Think TV that only includes the 4 areas you've listed

as I said
Think TV now includes all areas reported on
end of

with pleasure

Source: OzTAM and RegionalTAM, based on 5 cap cities and 4 aggreated regional markets ex Tas, total metro shares incl spill, total regional shares excl spill, shares based on total ppl and rounded to one decimal place, top program lists excl ABC and SBS, metro and regional audiences are added to form a combined average audience estimate and ranking, based on Consolidated data, program results represent an average of all times aired during the week (ex sneak peeks). Free TV’s metro and regional average daily reach figures are combined to form a national estimate and incl Tas. Copyright of the data is owned by OzTAM and RegionalTAM and therefore may not be reproduced, published or communicated without their written consent.

these 4 aggregate regional markets are QLD, NNSW, SNSW and VIC.

the Tasmania and WA regionals are reported by regional tam

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

as you were, please proceed. What were you saying about regional ratings? So what part of 4 regional markets (QLD, NNSW, SNSW, VIC) includes Tasmania and WA?

point us to the breakdown in Think TV that only includes the 4 areas you've listed

as I said
Think TV now includes all areas reported on
end of

with pleasure

Source: OzTAM and RegionalTAM, based on 5 cap cities and 4 aggreated regional markets ex Tas, total metro shares incl spill, total regional shares excl spill, shares based on total ppl and rounded to one decimal place, top program lists excl ABC and SBS, metro and regional audiences are added to form a combined average audience estimate and ranking, based on Consolidated data, program results represent an average of all times aired during the week (ex sneak peeks). Free TV’s metro and regional average daily reach figures are combined to form a national estimate and incl Tas. Copyright of the data is owned by OzTAM and RegionalTAM and therefore may not be reproduced, published or communicated without their written consent.

these 4 aggregate regional markets are QLD, NNSW, SNSW and VIC.

the Tasmania and WA regionals are reported by regional tam

can you read frigwit
it says tas is included in the estimates

try again shall we

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

point us to the breakdown in Think TV that only includes the 4 areas you've listed

as I said
Think TV now includes all areas reported on
end of

with pleasure

Source: OzTAM and RegionalTAM, based on 5 cap cities and 4 aggreated regional markets ex Tas, total metro shares incl spill, total regional shares excl spill, shares based on total ppl and rounded to one decimal place, top program lists excl ABC and SBS, metro and regional audiences are added to form a combined average audience estimate and ranking, based on Consolidated data, program results represent an average of all times aired during the week (ex sneak peeks). Free TV’s metro and regional average daily reach figures are combined to form a national estimate and incl Tas. Copyright of the data is owned by OzTAM and RegionalTAM and therefore may not be reproduced, published or communicated without their written consent.

these 4 aggregate regional markets are QLD, NNSW, SNSW and VIC.

the Tasmania and WA regionals are reported by regional tam

can you read frigwit
it says tas is included in the estimates

try again shall we

Ok, heres your proof:

Here is a thinkTV report showing xfactor on Tuesday the 17th rating 701k regional
http://www.thinktv.com.au/SiteMedia/w3s ... 202012.pdf

Here is the regional tam report for the same period again showing Xfactor Tuesday 17th with 707k EXCLUDING TAS & WA

Then underneath it has the Tas and WA ratings totalling 68k and 56k. So the total is actually 831k.

So, theres your proof. ThinkTV excludes regional WAA and Tasmania

Wow ive been gone for a phew days and the butthurt continues.

BTW dave you need to add NZ to those ratings, as they are a nrl market with a NRL team and A TV Contract with the NRL.

So the gap is even wider dave.

http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/05/tv-ratings-23-may-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/07/tv-ratings-1-july-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/06/tv-rati ... june-2012/

https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS

Wed TV: #NRL #SOO #Origin1 National numbers Metro 2.51m + Regional 1.4m #Total 3.91m + NZ Sky: 127,050
Wed TV detail #Origin 3 Metro 2,680,000 (Syd 1,210,000 Mel 421,000 Bri 879,000 Ade 69,000 Per 101,000) Regional 1,361,000 Total 4,011,000 + NZsky: 182,330
TV ratings Update #Origin2 Metro 2,495,000 (Best G2 ever - G1 2012 2.51m) Regional 1,331,000 Total 3,826,000 + NZ sky: 122,310

NRL GF NZ sky: 235,080
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/10/tv-rati ... mber-2012/

1. SOO3 4.19m
2. NRL GF 2012 4.14m
3. AFL GF 4.05M
4. SOO 1 4.04M
5. SOO 2 3.95m

Well done there eels. We must acknowledge our friends across the ditch.

And Dave, I commend you on your campaigning to stop our moderator acting like a dictator in this thread. It seems as though now he no longer has LG to screech "lock please", he is starting to show his true colours.

We must stand strong and united against this one.

eelofwest wrote:

Wow ive been gone for a phew days and the butthurt continues.

BTW dave you need to add NZ to those ratings, as they are a nrl market with a NRL team and A TV Contract with the NRL.

So the gap is even wider dave.

http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/05/tv-ratings-23-may-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/07/tv-ratings-1-july-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/06/tv-rati ... june-2012/

https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS

Wed TV: #NRL #SOO #Origin1 National numbers Metro 2.51m + Regional 1.4m #Total 3.91m + NZ Sky: 127,050
Wed TV detail #Origin 3 Metro 2,680,000 (Syd 1,210,000 Mel 421,000 Bri 879,000 Ade 69,000 Per 101,000) Regional 1,361,000 Total 4,011,000 + NZsky: 182,330
TV ratings Update #Origin2 Metro 2,495,000 (Best G2 ever - G1 2012 2.51m) Regional 1,331,000 Total 3,826,000 + NZ sky: 122,310

NRL GF NZ sky: 235,080
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/10/tv-rati ... mber-2012/

1. SOO3 4.19m
2. NRL GF 2012 4.14m
3. AFL GF 4.05M
4. SOO 1 4.04M
5. SOO 2 3.95m

SO which is it? Dave said the AFL GF is 3.8M, you say 4.05M.......

Can you tell him?

You know we win when Tas and WA are included though.

http://www.regionaltam.com.au/php/logPd ... umCons.pdf

Here are the Tas and WA regionals. They come to 253k. Add that to 4.190M for the AFL presentation and it rates 4.443M

Note for Dave, thinkTV posted the AFL presentation as 968k. Regional TAM also posted the AFL presentation as 968k but it clearly states "excluding Tas and Regional WA". Then they show the Tasmania and WA regional ratings were 253k.

Wow, 4.443M!!

Bam!!

Still need to add the NSWRL ratings from Nauru and San Marino to their totals. The ratings from Nauru and San Marino are crucial to determining which code is more popular in Australia.

Xman wrote:

http://www.regionaltam.com.au/php/logPd ... umCons.pdf

Here are the Tas and WA regionals. They come to 253k. Add that to 4.190M for the AFL presentation and it rates 4.443M

Note for Dave, thinkTV posted the AFL presentation as 968k. Regional TAM also posted the AFL presentation as 968k but it clearly states "excluding Tas and Regional WA". Then they show the Tasmania and WA regional ratings were 253k.

Wow, 4.443M!!

so VFL fans prefer to watch a shiny medal handed out .. then the actual game itself
wow alright
its official
your sport is followed by .. *********

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

http://www.regionaltam.com.au/php/logPd ... umCons.pdf

Here are the Tas and WA regionals. They come to 253k. Add that to 4.190M for the AFL presentation and it rates 4.443M

Note for Dave, thinkTV posted the AFL presentation as 968k. Regional TAM also posted the AFL presentation as 968k but it clearly states "excluding Tas and Regional WA". Then they show the Tasmania and WA regional ratings were 253k.

Wow, 4.443M!!

so VFL fans prefer to watch a shiny medal handed out .. then the actual game itself
wow alright
its official
your sport is followed by .. *********

It highlights the fact that the AFL telecast is longer but when similar periods of time, at more comparable times of the day are compared, the AFL wins handsomely.

Hows those thinkTV Tasmania figures going?

Drac wrote:

Still need to add the NSWRL ratings from Nauru and San Marino to their totals. The ratings from Nauru and San Marino are crucial to determining which code is more popular in Australia.

What the hell are you on crack?

Nauru, san marino wtf mate get of the crack pipe please....

So you are saying NZ is like Nauru and San Marino.............wow and you guys want to expand into NZ...........Good fuking luck you will need a truck load of it to break into the NZ market with a attitude like that.

BTW NZ population cap is about the same size as Victoria's so your saying Melbourne is like Nauru and San Marino......

NZ is a NRL market and if we put AFL market up against NRL markets the NRL comes out in front and our TV deals reflect as much.

http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/05/tv-ratings-23-may-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/07/tv-ratings-1-july-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/06/tv-rati ... june-2012/

https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS

Wed TV: #NRL #SOO #Origin1 National numbers Metro 2.51m + Regional 1.4m #Total 3.91m + NZ Sky: 127,050
Wed TV detail #Origin 3 Metro 2,680,000 (Syd 1,210,000 Mel 421,000 Bri 879,000 Ade 69,000 Per 101,000) Regional 1,361,000 Total 4,011,000 + NZsky: 182,330
TV ratings Update #Origin2 Metro 2,495,000 (Best G2 ever - G1 2012 2.51m) Regional 1,331,000 Total 3,826,000 + NZ sky: 122,310

NRL GF NZ sky: 235,080
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/10/tv-rati ... mber-2012/

1. SOO3 4.19m
2. NRL GF 2012 4.14m
3. AFL GF 4.05M
4. SOO 1 4.04M
5. SOO 2 3.95m[/quote]

AFL TV deal 1.250b - expansion 220m as per Demetruio Head honcho of the AFL. Also take away the 100m less through the gates because of saturation on FOX/FTA and you deal comes in at 880m or there abouts.

2011 Total AFL crowds = 6525071
2012 Total AFL crowds = 6238876

That is 286195 less fans through the gate for the AFL clubs due to saturation.

So at a modest guess of $23 a head for a ticket in the AFL regular season that is 65million loss to the clubs for the year, and i am being very modest in my estemates here it could possibly be over 100m loss to the AFL clubs.

Demetriou described the establishment of GWS as ''a massive challenge'' and the code's expansion as the AFL's top priority this year, one that will cost it $220 million. ''It's not going to be an easy year,'' he said, ''and we could see a let-down with the Gold Coast after a pretty successful start in 2011.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/deme ... z28xpEz1Ni

NRL TV deal 1.030b + 100m NZ Sky + internet right, AFL got 157m for online rights, NRL will get over 100m for internet rights. Total comes to around 1.2b-1.3b.

These ratings in NZ do matter no matter how much you try and convince us otherwise.

The AFL earned about 80m in the final series from ticket sales. Multiply that by 5 years, plus inflation and there's the money for expansion.

The NRL will need to bank roll clubs for extra grants, plus pay the players significantly more. Remember, the AFL earns 3 times what the NRL does from non TV sources.

So, again, the AFL GF was the highest rating sport in Australia and even including NZ =D> despite not even being shown in PT

eelofwest wrote:

What the hell are you on crack?

Nauru, san marino wtf mate get of the crack pipe please....

So you are saying NZ is like Nauru and San Marino.............wow and you guys want to expand into NZ...........Good fuking luck you will need a truck load of it to break into the NZ market with a attitude like that.

BTW NZ population cap is about the same size as Victoria's so your saying Melbourne is like Nauru and San Marino......

The point I made, is that ratings in New Zealand, or Nauru, or San Marino, or Luxembourg for that matter, have little if anything to do with the strength of the sport in Australia.

eelofwest wrote:

NZ is a NRL market and if we put AFL market up against NRL markets the NRL comes out in front and our TV deals reflect as much.

if I understand your barely legible phrasing, are you suggesting that the NSWRL got more for their TV deal than the AFL did? Because I fail to see how $925m is bigger than $1.15b? Or are you adding in imaginary money from the future NZ TV rights that haven't even been signed yet?

eelofwest wrote:

http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/05/tv-ratings-23-may-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/07/tv-ratings-1-july-2012/
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/06/tv-rati ... june-2012/

https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS

Wed TV: #NRL #SOO #Origin1 National numbers Metro 2.51m + Regional 1.4m #Total 3.91m + NZ Sky: 127,050
Wed TV detail #Origin 3 Metro 2,680,000 (Syd 1,210,000 Mel 421,000 Bri 879,000 Ade 69,000 Per 101,000) Regional 1,361,000 Total 4,011,000 + NZsky: 182,330
TV ratings Update #Origin2 Metro 2,495,000 (Best G2 ever - G1 2012 2.51m) Regional 1,331,000 Total 3,826,000 + NZ sky: 122,310

NRL GF NZ sky: 235,080
http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/10/tv-rati ... mber-2012/

Let me see if I have this straight: The ratings for Rugby League's 4 biggest games in New Zealand were 127k, 182k, 122k, for SOOs, and 235k for the GF. Out of a country of 4.4 million people, and this is a cause for bragging??

More people watched the AFL GF in Brisbane alone

eelofwest wrote:

AFL TV deal 1.250b - expansion 220m as per Demetruio Head honcho of the AFL. Also take away the 100m less through the gates because of saturation on FOX/FTA and you deal comes in at 880m or there abouts.

2011 Total AFL crowds = 6525071
2012 Total AFL crowds = 6238876

That is 286195 less fans through the gate for the AFL clubs due to saturation.

The $220m figure is the total estimated cost. Much of that was paid for out of our last TV rights bonanza. It includes the tens of millions of dollars invested into the two stadiums. Crowds are down, Mostly due to teams sucking awfully, and the low drawing new clubs. Short term pain for long term gain. I'll also note, that our significantly reduced crowds were still three MILLION more than the NSWRL managed =D>

eelofwest wrote:

So at a modest guess of $23 a head for a ticket in the AFL regular season that is 65million loss to the clubs for the year, and i am being very modest in my estemates here it could possibly be over 100m loss to the AFL clubs.

You're not being modest, you're being ********. the AFL has a membership culture. Most of the drop off comes from members not showing up. Members pay in full at the start of the season. While numbers that show up have an impact on stadium returns, signage, food and drink etc, for the majority of the missing people it's not a direct loss of a ticket price. Case in point, Port sold 30k memberships at the start of the year off the back of some good buzz around the club. The turned to poo, and people stopped showing up. Don't blame 'em.

eelofwest wrote:

These ratings in NZ do matter no matter how much you try and convince us otherwise.

They matter to you clearly, the point I was making, and will repeat now, is that they don't matter to AFL fans. This forum is basically a weiner measuring tournament as to which code is the biggest in Australia. The ratings from another country have zero bearing on which code is bigger in Australia. NZ is an important market for the NSWRL, it just doesn't mean anything here in the lucky country.

Xman wrote:

The AFL earned about 80m in the final series from ticket sales. Multiply that by 5 years, plus inflation and there's the money for expansion.

The NRL will need to bank roll clubs for extra grants, plus pay the players significantly more. Remember, the AFL earns 3 times what the NRL does from non TV sources.

So, again, the AFL GF was the highest rating sport in Australia and even including NZ =D> despite not even being shown in PT

The AFL earned about 80m in the final series from ticket sales

.....
80m ?......less then 540,000 people attended the 9 VFL finals in 2012 ( down 75,000 on 2011) so that'd be ... $150 for every single ticket sold to every man women & child ... :-
about 80,000 MCG members attended the 5 finals games played there was well ..... so thats only about .. 460,000 paying customers
so that ticket price has gone up to ...almost $175 a ticket

wanna let go of yr d.ick for a sec & re think that statement