Talking Footy

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

pookus wrote:

If you are pulling 60 percent of your players from 5 percent of the population it doesn't take einstein to work out that the 95 percent not getting a chance might become despondent. This isn't racist just a concern that will take balls to address.

And here we have another doofus who has narrow vision. Pookus, what do you really mean by 'if you are pulling 60% of your players from 5% of the pop'?

I know what you're trying to say but please tell me where the problem lies? If people of polynesian descent are succeeding and getting into the NRL on their own merits, which they are, then who the fukk are you to say this is a "problem"? Their success has occurred organically and has been great for the game.

The age for weight issue is, as I've stated, separate and should not be focussed squarely on polynesian kids. I wonder how large Dave Taylor was at 12?? Probably much bigger than any polynesian in his age division and probably the one above him too.

See now we're talking and noone is being racist. Easy huh. now I am not saying that the race of these guys is a draw back what I am saying is that with all the rule changes turning the league in to the wwf bigger more powerful men are more suited to the game. They have also taken aerobic capacity out as a factor with the interchange making it very hard for smaller nimble players to apply their craft. It has not been organic it is the by product of Ill thought policy. What makes this situation difficult is that the dominant body type in the game is usually contains a polynesian face. The question is how to return the game to a majority of players without being percieved as racist. Dave Taylor is a great example there is no way this big dud would get a go if he had to play any where near 80 no way.

The dominant body type usually contains a polynesian face? You seriously are blind right? Blind and scared of difference I'd say. The facts are polynesians represent approx 30% in the nrl and approx half of this 30% were those of polynesian descent born in Australia, or in other words, Australians. Fukk me dead lets stick with the facts rather than throw BS fear driven statements out as fact from now on eh?

So what if the game has become more suited to sizeable beasts. It's called progression and if that means people who identify with the polynesian community are excelling then so be it. We dont need no two bit yokels coming in and saying shite like "this needs to change". Because it doesnt.

Again I'll state the weight for age issue is completely different and about safety rather than the polynesian community being overrepresented in the NRL...even though the influx of immigrants from polynesian countries more than likely was the spark which highlighted the need to think about the issue. AS i said Dave Taylor at 12 could have broken many a bone in the littler 12 year olds.

King-Eliagh wrote:

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

And here we have another doofus who has narrow vision. Pookus, what do you really mean by 'if you are pulling 60% of your players from 5% of the pop'?

I know what you're trying to say but please tell me where the problem lies? If people of polynesian descent are succeeding and getting into the NRL on their own merits, which they are, then who the fukk are you to say this is a "problem"? Their success has occurred organically and has been great for the game.

The age for weight issue is, as I've stated, separate and should not be focussed squarely on polynesian kids. I wonder how large Dave Taylor was at 12?? Probably much bigger than any polynesian in his age division and probably the one above him too.

See now we're talking and noone is being racist. Easy huh. now I am not saying that the race of these guys is a draw back what I am saying is that with all the rule changes turning the league in to the wwf bigger more powerful men are more suited to the game. They have also taken aerobic capacity out as a factor with the interchange making it very hard for smaller nimble players to apply their craft. It has not been organic it is the by product of Ill thought policy. What makes this situation difficult is that the dominant body type in the game is usually contains a polynesian face. The question is how to return the game to a majority of players without being percieved as racist. Dave Taylor is a great example there is no way this big dud would get a go if he had to play any where near 80 no way.

The dominant body type usually contains a polynesian face? You seriously are blind right? Blind and scared of difference I'd say. The facts are polynesians represent approx 30% in the nrl and approx half of this 30% were those of polynesian descent born in Australia, or in other words, Australians. Fukk me dead lets stick with the facts rather than throw BS fear driven statements out as fact from now on eh?

So what if the game has become more suited to sizeable beasts. It's called progression and if that means people who identify with the polynesian community are excelling then so be it. We dont need no two bit yokels coming in and saying shite like "this needs to change". Because it doesnt.

Again I'll state the weight for age issue is completely different and about safety rather than the polynesian community being overrepresented in the NRL...even though the influx of immigrants from polynesian countries more than likely was the spark which highlighted the need to think about the issue. AS i said Dave Taylor at 12 could have broken many a bone in the littler 12 year olds.

King-Eliagh

You missed my point I was taking race out of the equation completely and saying it was a body type issue. How does it make a difference where they we're born. I'm just saying that with the way the modern game is played the guys of poly decent have a huge advantage . The toyota cup runs at about 50 percent poly players so this looks to be the future. It can't be good for participation when only a certain body type seems to be paramount to succeeding in the game. The disproportionate representation of poly players points to that fact. The beasts as you call them I believe are ruining the game they've slowed it to a crawl. And they are only there because of bad rule changes you know this to be true. I hear this all the time. Me personally I hope the poly boys kick your tiny arses from one end of the field to the other. I would love to see more of these guys playing AFL but our rule changes have meant that this body type has disappeared from our game which not everybody agreed with down here either. The need for speed has certainly changed our game as the need for collision has changed yours. But unfortunately for league it would seem that in the confines of it's heartland more people are suited to play AFL. As I said this can't be good for participation at all levels.

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh

You missed my point I was taking race out of the equation completely and saying it was a body type issue. How does it make a difference where they we're born. I'm just saying that with the way the modern game is played the guys of poly decent have a huge advantage . The toyota cup runs at about 50 percent poly players so this looks to be the future. It can't be good for participation when only a certain body type seems to be paramount to succeeding in the game. The disproportionate representation of poly players points to that fact. The beasts as you call them I believe are ruining the game they've slowed it to a crawl. And they are only there because of bad rule changes you know this to be true. I hear this all the time. Me personally I hope the poly boys kick your tiny arses from one end of the field to the other.

This is still ridiculous and still a matter of seeing in only black and white, testament to the innate ethnocentrism in many of us, well cos, yourself and Xman. Fact of the matter is every sport is biased to a "particular body type". Pookus, shall we do something about the kenyans and their ability to dominate long distance running? Polynesians should be welcomed into this country and thus be welcomed into all the country offers, including RL. Nothing, as you, Xman and cos clearly suggest, "needs to be changed re polynesian dominance". And they are not "ruining the game". Seriously the lot of you are bandying about ridiculous comments with racist undertones. And the lot of you are completely ignorant to it, nor able to acknowledge it.

Shocking stuff. Polynesians ruining the game indeed...the game is faster and harder than it ever has been before. And people who dont have this stereotypical "body type" you nutbags talk about are really the ones dominating the game. I havent checked but im sure the last 10 yrs dally m's will tell a story which highlights your ignorance re the NRL.

Again the age for weight issue is different and I'm happy for that to be discussed appropriately without throwing negative racist stereotypes around.

King-Eliagh wrote:

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh

You missed my point I was taking race out of the equation completely and saying it was a body type issue. How does it make a difference where they we're born. I'm just saying that with the way the modern game is played the guys of poly decent have a huge advantage . The toyota cup runs at about 50 percent poly players so this looks to be the future. It can't be good for participation when only a certain body type seems to be paramount to succeeding in the game. The disproportionate representation of poly players points to that fact. The beasts as you call them I believe are ruining the game they've slowed it to a crawl. And they are only there because of bad rule changes you know this to be true. I hear this all the time. Me personally I hope the poly boys kick your tiny arses from one end of the field to the other.

This is still ridiculous and still a matter of seeing in only black and white, testament to the innate ethnocentrism in many of us, well cos, yourself and Xman. Fact of the matter is every sport is biased to a "particular body type". Pookus, shall we do something about the kenyans and their ability to dominate long distance running? Polynesians should be welcomed into this country and thus be welcomed into all the country offers, including RL. Nothing, as you, Xman and cos clearly suggest, "needs to be changed re polynesian dominance". And they are not "ruining the game". Seriously the lot of you are bandying about ridiculous comments with racist undertones. And the lot of you are completely ignorant to it, nor able to acknowledge it.

Shocking stuff. Polynesians ruining the game indeed...the game is faster and harder than it ever has been before. And people who dont have this stereotypical "body type" you nutbags talk about are really the ones dominating the game. I havent checked but im sure the last 10 yrs dally m's will tell a story which highlights your ignorance re the NRL.

Again the age for weight issue is different and I'm happy for that to be discussed appropriately without throwing negative racist stereotypes around.

What you are doing is manipulating the conversation to make it sound as if there is racist undertones . Fat slow men and the coaches that manipulate the system like bellamy are ruining the game not a certain race . To suggest that I said a certain race was responsible is to totally misread what I said. Benji and the smaller poly guys are brilliant and would have been in any era but the modern game is slanted too much to the big guys . This eliminates a lot of races immediately and gives advantages to others. The fact there are so many poly guys in first grade league surely suggests that. Now if you think the game is better for all the,wrestling and the interchange that's up to the individual but I personally would like to see a game more inclusive for all a mix of speed skill and power . I like league and do follow it so I'm not completely ignorant. Bennet and many others have been saying the same thing I'm saying . It's not about race but unfortunately the poly guys get lumped with this because they are the majority of the big units. Don't worry I have the same complaint about crap rule changes in the AFL eliminating different people from the game. The difference with our games than other sports was that most people could play but rule changes seems to have changed this.

Pook, it's a subjective argument. I don't think for one second that club talent scouts are exclusively looking for big wrestling types, whether they be Islanders or not. While the Toyota Cup might be top heavy with them right now, not all of them are going to go to the next level. There will always be room for the nimble running players because that's the way you break away from scrums, and there are plenty of those amongst the Islanders as well just by the way.

The way I see it is that the game is simply going through a phase. It'll clean itself up as teams start to struggle consistently. We shouldn't go down the AFL path and change the rules every freaking season. Let the refs do their job, use some common sense, and in the end everyone will win.

Striker wrote:

Pook, it's a subjective argument. I don't think for one second that club talent scouts are exclusively looking for big wrestling types, whether they be Islanders or not. While the Toyota Cup might be top heavy with them right now, not all of them are going to go to the next level. There will always be room for the nimble running players because that's the way you break away from scrums, and there are plenty of those amongst the Islanders as well just by the way.

The way I see it is that the game is simply going through a phase. It'll clean itself up as teams start to struggle consistently. We shouldn't go down the AFL path and change the rules every freaking season. Let the refs do their job, use some common sense, and in the end everyone will win.

I honestly believe the nrl and the AFL have made the same mistake. The changes in both games have made the playing fields less open to different body shapes . You could have asked this very question of the AFL and I would say the same thing. Mate there is no doubt the size of the average league player has increased dramatically since the interchange rules changed. And you can see it now in the AFL since they've tried to reverse some bad decisions and are trying to slow down the game. There obsession with trying to make it quicker actually made the game more congested. And leagues obsession with more power and trying to speed it up has actually slowed it down. Restrict the interchange and watch the weight drop off the average player. If you do this you'll see a much more proportionate representation in league. And getting back to the argument surely it is not racist to talk about this.

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

eelofwest wrote:

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

The only people screaming 'racist' where moronic NRL fans.

eelofwest wrote:

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

Yes correct assertion here eels.

Rather than backpeddling i suggest these folk just acknowledge their own ignorance in their racist statements about polynesian players being some sort of 'problem' for the nrl. They'd be better off. I mean they may as well be saying these polynesians are packing WMD's Idiots.

eelofwest wrote:

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

I haven't back peddled at all mate. If you read my posts the body thing was the only assertion I made. If others on here blurred the issue that's their problem. Of course it's wrong to assert that a certain race will ruin your comp. But shit rule changes will . To be honest I haven't read the full thread if others have been racist then I apologise for backing them up. But the point I was trying to raise is that in the nrl it is hard to have a conversation on body shape without the elephant in the room. I don't think it's racist to talk about it .

pookus wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

I haven't back peddled at all mate. If you read my posts the body thing was the only assertion I made. If others on here blurred the issue that's their problem. Of course it's wrong to assert that a certain race will ruin your comp. But **** rule changes will . To be honest I haven't read the full thread if others have been racist then I apologise for backing them up. But the point I was trying to raise is that in the nrl it is hard to have a conversation on body shape without the elephant in the room. I don't think it's racist to talk about it .

No one said a certain race would ruin the NRL. Only that if the percentage of participants is high it may cause problems.

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

So this thread went from racists AFL fans making silly/racicst assertions to AFL fans that think it is a body type issue.......................

The back peddling is strong in these types King....

The only people screaming 'racist' where moronic NRL fans.

Yes and there's no need for it. We can argue our case without going down that path. Pookus was talking about body types and at least I saw that. El and Eel tried to drag down the argument with an assumption that was not blatantly stated, but rather assumed from one point of view. Why even go there for Christ's sakes??

Why even go down the path of insinuating its polynesians who are "the problem" or "ruining the league"? Its simply not appropriate. And I doubt very much many in the polynesian community would think its a valid perspective.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Why even go down the path of insinuating its polynesians who are "the problem" or "ruining the league"? Its simply not appropriate. And I doubt very much many in the polynesian community would think its a valid perspective.

OMFG! No one said that!

Theres a huge difference between saying a large proportion of foreign players will cause problems, and the problems in the NRL are caused by all the foreign players!

King-Eliagh wrote:

Why even go down the path of insinuating its polynesians who are "the problem" or "ruining the league"? Its simply not appropriate. And I doubt very much many in the polynesian community would think its a valid perspective.

Look bud there is no doubt that some imbeciles out there would dislike the poly players just for being poly. In the AFL the indigenous guys get the same shit. But we can't let these racist idiots determine debate and that is exactly what happens when everyone stops talking because an issue gets contentious. I understand why everyone must be vigilant because racist agendas hide easily in forums such as this. But don't label someone a racist until their agendas are exposed.