The nobility of standing up for oneself

[Swans4ever]

no one said heroic i dont think? it was just a justified act of retaliation. if i get shoved in the head at 3am with no clue whether im going to cop another punch to the head then im going to return the favour. Especially in a split second thing.

Never argued that if provoked he could defend himself - this was the view that the Police took - I just stated what must exist for self defence to apply - KE thinks any sort of slight is an invitation to adjust someone's attitude by inflicting some summary justice - that is not what the law says! I said I like Billy as well, I said it could be argued not that it would, that he retaliated out of provocation - this wouldn't be a defence, the threat must be immediate and at that time - however the Police accepted Self defence which like I said could be raised

[Xman]

no one said heroic i dont think? it was just a justified act of retaliation. if i get shoved in the head at 3am with no clue whether im going to cop another punch to the head then im going to return the favour. Especially in a split second thing.

Don't think so. He copped a pretty innocuous slap from someone who looke very frustrated. The guy was not only middle aged but looked far smaller than SLater. He should have either told gave him a shove back or left it alone. The right cross was way overboard.

[King-Eliagh]

School time for you again Xman. The Federal Government of the country you or your ancestors have recently immigrated to both condones, validates and has institutionalised the use of violence through both the armed forces and police.

You are fricking IDIOT!! The only reason that's going on is because idiots like YOU think it's okay to be fricking violent! It's called equal response in order to do their job and STOP the violence!

God you are off with the fricking pixies, Eliagh!

I think this one's ready for the mental asylum folks. He's dribbling and frothing at the mouth!

There is a place for violence in society and just because fairies like crap1 and xman dont understand violence has been an inherent aspect of humanity since day dot does not change this fact.

You are a coward, Eliagh. A bona fide coward who doesn't want a civil society. A civil society scares the shit out of you, doesn't it? You don't want it. You want us to fight like animals.

You're the one who belongs in an asylum with this predeliction for violence as though it's some God given right. It's not. The closest we should be going is movies and fake wrestling. I suppose you're the sort of person who says one punch is okay? Yeah - tell that to the family of David Hookes, you mentally deficient moron!

Jesus, can someone call this guy a doctor? You're totally losing it crap1! Now just take a few deep breaths and caaaaaalllllmmmmm down, we dont want you flippin out over all this and going out there in the real world and hurting someone in this emo state ur in.

I'll say it again, violence will never cease because there is a law against it. That's right never. Now i know this might be a little too intellectual for you goslings but the very fact our society, through its government, condones, resources and associates the use of violence with justice through its army and police force, justifies the very thing billy did - retaliate with violence.

Now I know you sods wanna twist me into some evil violent fiend who condones king hits but facts are, you've not and will never be able to reference anything ive said which suggests as such! I'm all over you lil wet brained keyboard warriors like a rash

Lets take bullying for example. You nongs would say, "no dont hit the bully back, go and tell the teacher". Well im afraid folks there's not much a teacher can do unless they see a bully in action, and bullies are very good at evading the teachers eye, this is another fact, im not making it up. So what you often have is a cycle of bullied child, going to authorities, getting nothing more than the following scenario:

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Day 2

*Adam confronts johnny behind the sheds and belts him again.

And we can repeat the cycle until Johnny sticks up for himself. Same can be said for indecent assaults in the street like that on billy. For every thousand that go through the legal system, usually with the result of a slap on the wrist for the perpetrator, prob more than 100,000 go unpunished with the victim walking off with a battered self esteem and perhaps physical injuries. Now im not saying all should respond, as some people like Xman and co just arent brave and physically tough enough to do so. But if you can you should hold perpetrators to account and teach them lessons our judicial system would generally prefer not to waste its time with.

I feel terribly sorry for any children who are brought up with the principles of our resident emo bitches Xman swines and crap1. Terribly sorry.

[NRLCrap1]

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Teacher - "You're lying. Report to the principal's office right now. We don't allow bullying in this school"

THAT is the correct procedure, Eliagh! So go and get help yourself for this animalistic attitude you have!

[Swans4ever]

School time for you again Xman. The Federal Government of the country you or your ancestors have recently immigrated to both condones, validates and has institutionalised the use of violence through both the armed forces and police.

You are fricking IDIOT!! The only reason that's going on is because idiots like YOU think it's okay to be fricking violent! It's called equal response in order to do their job and STOP the violence!

God you are off with the fricking pixies, Eliagh!

I think this one's ready for the mental asylum folks. He's dribbling and frothing at the mouth!

There is a place for violence in society and just because fairies like crap1 and xman dont understand violence has been an inherent aspect of humanity since day dot does not change this fact.

You are a coward, Eliagh. A bona fide coward who doesn't want a civil society. A civil society scares the shit out of you, doesn't it? You don't want it. You want us to fight like animals.

You're the one who belongs in an asylum with this predeliction for violence as though it's some God given right. It's not. The closest we should be going is movies and fake wrestling. I suppose you're the sort of person who says one punch is okay? Yeah - tell that to the family of David Hookes, you mentally deficient moron!

Jesus, can someone call this guy a doctor? You're totally losing it crap1! Now just take a few deep breaths and caaaaaalllllmmmmm down, we dont want you flippin out over all this and going out there in the real world and hurting someone in this emo state ur in.

I'll say it again, violence will never cease because there is a law against it. That's right never. Now i know this might be a little too intellectual for you goslings but the very fact our society, through its government, condones, resources and associates the use of violence with justice through its army and police force, justifies the very thing billy did - retaliate with violence.

Now I know you sods wanna twist me into some evil violent fiend who condones king hits but facts are, you've not and will never be able to reference anything ive said which suggests as such! I'm all over you lil wet brained keyboard warriors like a rash

Lets take bullying for example. You nongs would say, "no dont hit the bully back, go and tell the teacher". Well im afraid folks there's not much a teacher can do unless they see a bully in action, and bullies are very good at evading the teachers eye, this is another fact, im not making it up. So what you often have is a cycle of bullied child, going to authorities, getting nothing more than the following scenario:

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Day 2

*Adam confronts johnny behind the sheds and belts him again.

And we can repeat the cycle until Johnny sticks up for himself. Same can be said for indecent assaults in the street like that on billy. For every thousand that go through the legal system, usually with the result of a slap on the wrist for the perpetrator, prob more than 100,000 go unpunished with the victim walking off with a battered self esteem and perhaps physical injuries. Now im not saying all should respond, as some people like Xman and co just arent brave and physically tough enough to do so. But if you can you should hold perpetrators to account and teach them lessons our judicial system would generally prefer not to waste its time with.

I feel terribly sorry for any children who are brought up with the principles of our resident emo bitches Xman swines and crap1. Terribly sorry.

Your talking about two totally different issues!

[King-Eliagh]

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Teacher - "You're lying. Report to the principal's office right now. We don't allow bullying in this school"

THAT is the correct procedure, Eliagh! So go and get help yourself for this animalistic attitude you have!

This kinda sums up our crap1. The reactionary village idiot

Crap1, lemme give you a hypothetical to mull over. What if Johnny was the one who was lying? And is it fair to lock lil adam up in the principal's office with no definitive proof apart from lil johnny's word?

I think that'll take you about ten years, or perhaps much longer for you to come back to me with an intelligent response on that one so in the mean time, why not purchase and eat a bag of jellybeans? The sweet flavours are just delicious

[King-Eliagh]

Oh and swines? How's about typing more than one sentence with your crumby comebacks? You have not had the ability to answer my questions nor negate my arguments whether they be about two issues or one. You're adding absolutely nuttin to this debate, therefore i am kickin ur butt. Bigtime.

Just some advice. Take it or leave it as you wish. :>::

[Swans4ever]

Oh and swines? How's about typing more than one sentence with your crumby comebacks? You have not had the ability to answer my questions nor negate my arguments whether they be about two issues or one. You're adding absolutely nuttin to this debate, therefore i am kickin ur butt. Bigtime.

Just some advice. Take it or leave it as you wish. :>::

Well I have already stated what constitutes self defence - I don't agree as a general statement that dishing out a physical response is justified or indeed needed in every situation as you suggested - nor does attitude adjustment come under the umbrella of self defence - provocation is relevant to reduce murder to manslaughter but is not a defence. You then diverged into school bullying which you neglected to say that schools will tell kids not to retaliate as it makes any response they do compromised and will usually cloud the issue, bullying is not necessarily physical - when it does become physical there are circumstances that must be taken into account you have just provided a very general example when bullying does not necessarily come in the one act or actions. They are not related and bullying is something that should be handled by schools, parents and the kids. I'll give you an example - a boy call him ted who boxes every day and is very fit has his girlfriend made fun of - when he asks the boy called bill to stop bill tells his friend Fred. The Fred approaches the ted at school and demands to fight - this Fred is smaller than Ted, does no self defence and is far from being fit. Fred also has an much older brother Kev who has been kicked out of school and is known to carry knives. You advocate hitting the Fred, the school says don't, walk away - if he does hit him (and he has been threatened) he runs the risk that the brother will get him later! He could hit him and have no difficulty in putting him in his place The answer - the boy walks away tells the school, the school gets involved and the parents are brought in, it turns out Fred has a long history of problems and will be expelled. No bullying is straight forward thats why raising it is your attempt to justify your ill informed and misconceived point of view! This is a true story

[King-Eliagh]

Well I have already stated what constitutes self defence - I don't agree as a general statement that dishing out a physical response is justified or indeed needed in every situation as you suggested

Ok I'll say it again swines ya big floundering lump of brainless lard. Quote where i suggest that a physical response is NEEDED in EVERY SITUATION? Again you have led with a completely false statement, making the rest of your trash unworthy of a response until you validate your opening (and false) statement.


You sir, are completely at a loss to argue against my point so you come out wish some wish wash bullshitey blanket statement which you pretent I made.

sorry swines but I am completely put off by the faeces oozing in your posts.

Answer my question. Biatch

[NRLCrap1]

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Teacher - "You're lying. Report to the principal's office right now. We don't allow bullying in this school"

THAT is the correct procedure, Eliagh! So go and get help yourself for this animalistic attitude you have!

This kinda sums up our crap1. The reactionary village idiot

Crap1, lemme give you a hypothetical to mull over. What if Johnny was the one who was lying? And is it fair to lock lil adam up in the principal's office with no definitive proof apart from lil johnny's word?

I think that'll take you about ten years, or perhaps much longer for you to come back to me with an intelligent response on that one so in the mean time, why not purchase and eat a bag of jellybeans? The sweet flavours are just delicious

Three hits would leave a mark or some sort of visible injury, you mentally deficient fool! That's proof!

Anyway, I would rather this than your alternative because it stops the violence. But you didn't think of that did you? Noooooo..... because you WANT Adam to be violent!! And you WANT Jimmy to be violent!! A civil society wants to stop the violence, and that's the best way to go about it.

[Swans4ever]

Well I have already stated what constitutes self defence - I don't agree as a general statement that dishing out a physical response is justified or indeed needed in every situation as you suggested

Ok I'll say it again swines ya big floundering lump of brainless lard. Quote where i suggest that a physical response is NEEDED in EVERY SITUATION? Again you have led with a completely false statement, making the rest of your trash unworthy of a response until you validate your opening (and false) statement.


You sir, are completely at a loss to argue against my point so you come out wish some wish wash bullshitey blanket statement which you pretent I made.

sorry swines but I am completely put off by the faeces oozing in your posts.

Answer my question. Biatch

A massive majority of all RL fights occur when someone has wrongfully provoked another and the refs have either not seen or not punished the player appropriately. This is when we all as citizens have the right to respond to respect our dignity and to, to a degree, uphold the rights of citizens to defend against wrongdoing.

So again you were arguing that PROVOCATION alone entitles someone to dish out what ever they feel - well sorry if you don't want to be misunderstood be more specific - provocation is not a defence it is a matter of mitigation - if you don't believe me look it up. I'm not going to waste my time your just putting shit out to get a reaction. Be your own bitch!

[King-Eliagh]

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Teacher - "You're lying. Report to the principal's office right now. We don't allow bullying in this school"

THAT is the correct procedure, Eliagh! So go and get help yourself for this animalistic attitude you have!

This kinda sums up our crap1. The reactionary village idiot

Crap1, lemme give you a hypothetical to mull over. What if Johnny was the one who was lying? And is it fair to lock lil adam up in the principal's office with no definitive proof apart from lil johnny's word?

I think that'll take you about ten years, or perhaps much longer for you to come back to me with an intelligent response on that one so in the mean time, why not purchase and eat a bag of jellybeans? The sweet flavours are just delicious

Three hits would leave a mark or some sort of visible injury, you mentally deficient fool! That's proof!

Anyway, I would rather this than your alternative because it stops the violence. But you didn't think of that did you? Noooooo..... because you WANT Adam to be violent!! And you WANT Jimmy to be violent!! A civil society wants to stop the violence, and that's the best way to go about it.

3 hits to the stomach wouldnt leave shite. And three primary school boys hits rarely break the skin you stoopid twat.

What I want is acknowledgement that violence is something we must use in society from time to time and, appropriate use of violence is respected by all and sundry.

Here 'ave a lil gander at this legend sticking up for his girlfriend. Appropriate violence teaching wankers a lesson which they otherwise wouldnt learn. As the commentator says "he's out to show these guys that chivalry is not dead"

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqzwzdVMPvA[/video]

I also want you tools to acknowledge that violence wont be leaving society until sometime shortly after our sun explodes. Gottit my wankers?

[King-Eliagh]

Well I have already stated what constitutes self defence - I don't agree as a general statement that dishing out a physical response is justified or indeed needed in every situation as you suggested

Ok I'll say it again swines ya big floundering lump of brainless lard. Quote where i suggest that a physical response is NEEDED in EVERY SITUATION? Again you have led with a completely false statement, making the rest of your trash unworthy of a response until you validate your opening (and false) statement.


You sir, are completely at a loss to argue against my point so you come out wish some wish wash bullshitey blanket statement which you pretent I made.

sorry swines but I am completely put off by the faeces oozing in your posts.

Answer my question. Biatch

A massive majority of all RL fights occur when someone has wrongfully provoked another and the refs have either not seen or not punished the player appropriately. This is when we all as citizens have the right to respond to respect our dignity and to, to a degree, uphold the rights of citizens to defend against wrongdoing.

So again you were arguing that PROVOCATION alone entitles someone to dish out what ever they feel - well sorry if you don't want to be misunderstood be more specific - provocation is not a defence it is a matter of mitigation - if you don't believe me look it up. I'm not going to waste my time your just putting shit out to get a reaction. Be your own bitch!

Me more specific? I'm not the clown who's been spewing up broad illegitimate brushstroke statements, you are. But in your post above finally, finally you've been specific and somewhat valid. Provocation, depending on the type of provocation, is definitely grounds for retaliation and self defence. I dont care what your stoopid law says, billy was let off scot free by the authorities, and rightly so!!!

You're my lil bitch in this case swinesy boy. Admit it. Admit it in a one liner if you please

[AFLcrap1]

KE ,you have to make allowances for Crapper(besides the obvious mental health issues)
He follows a sport where anything rough is outlawed..make a decent tackle & you're out for a few weeks.
In Derpball a broken fingernail is shocking news .
Its sad that the Victardian bubble that these people live in has little resemblance to the real world.

[NRLCrap1]

Johnny - "miss at recess time adam hit me 3 times behind the sheds"

Teacher - "Thankyou johnny. We'll keep an eye on adam. You telll us if he does it again"

Teacher (after class in private)- "Adam, did you hit johnny behind the sheds?"

Adam - "Nah, i did nothin"

Teacher - "Are you sure"

Adam - "Yes"

Teacher - "You're lying. Report to the principal's office right now. We don't allow bullying in this school"

THAT is the correct procedure, Eliagh! So go and get help yourself for this animalistic attitude you have!

This kinda sums up our crap1. The reactionary village idiot

Crap1, lemme give you a hypothetical to mull over. What if Johnny was the one who was lying? And is it fair to lock lil adam up in the principal's office with no definitive proof apart from lil johnny's word?

I think that'll take you about ten years, or perhaps much longer for you to come back to me with an intelligent response on that one so in the mean time, why not purchase and eat a bag of jellybeans? The sweet flavours are just delicious

Three hits would leave a mark or some sort of visible injury, you mentally deficient fool! That's proof!

Anyway, I would rather this than your alternative because it stops the violence. But you didn't think of that did you? Noooooo..... because you WANT Adam to be violent!! And you WANT Jimmy to be violent!! A civil society wants to stop the violence, and that's the best way to go about it.

3 hits to the stomach wouldnt leave shite. And three primary school boys hits rarely break the skin you stoopid twat.

What I want is acknowledgement that violence is something we must use in society from time to time and, appropriate use of violence is respected by all and sundry.

Here 'ave a lil gander at this legend sticking up for his girlfriend. Appropriate violence teaching wankers a lesson which they otherwise wouldnt learn. As the commentator says "he's out to show these guys that chivalry is not dead"

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqzwzdVMPvA[/video]

I also want you tools to acknowledge that violence wont be leaving society until sometime shortly after our sun explodes. Gottit my wankers?

You are against a civil society, Eliagh. That's clear as glass. And you never heard of bruising? And being hit in the belly three times would have the boy doubled over long enough to be noticed!

A person who respects any use of violence - appropriate or otherwise - should be respected by NO ONE! All that guy needed to do was stand in between the idiots and his girl. You will NEVER get ANYONE to accept that violence is staying for good. That is an epic fail and belongs in the animal farm.