Looks like Tasmanians are smelling the stinky AFL bullshit sales and bulling tactics for a new stadium.

[WookieReturns]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Collingwood's training facility was at Gosh's paddock - or across the road from the G. Not Victoria Park?

They play AFLW and VFL/W matches at Victoria Park

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

was that for the first x number of years? the AFL will still chip in the large majority tofund the the side and be responsible for the runnings

Theres no fixed limited.

in the case of WA and PNG the NRL wanted none of the responsibility

in the case of both, the NRL is doing both. There is fundamentally no difference between the proposed NRL Perth setup and the AFL team in Tasmania.

that was more the 90s, aside from geelong the stadium down there the AFL has seen nothing of the funding the NRL has in training facilities and club stadiums

Thats utter nonsense

Almost every AFL and NRL club has had their training facilities upgraded at taxpayer expense in recent years, regardless of state. Kardinia Park is called handout park for a reason. Ikon Park (Carlton), Victoria Park (Collingwood), Whitten Oval (Bulldogs), Punt Road (Richmond), Tullamarine (Essendon), RSEA Park (St KIlda), Alberton Oval (Port Adelaide), Hall of Industries (Sydney), the Giants training venue, Springfield (the Lions), Carrara (the Suns), Arden Street (North), Lathlain oval (West coast), Cockburn (Fremantle) - all have had local, state and federal dollars thrown at them - used for training, AFLW and state matches.

in the case of both, the NRL is doing both. There is fundamentally no difference between the proposed NRL Perth setup and the AFL team in Tasmania.

the NRL is putting in Jack shit and expected the WA government to run manage and be responsible for the teams, that was one of the hold ups in getting the deal over the line

the AFL will run an bank roll the team is nead be like they do with Suns and Giants

Thats utter nonsense

Almost every AFL and NRL club has had their training facilities upgraded at taxpayer expense in recent years, regardless of state. Kardinia Park is called handout park for a reason. Ikon Park (Carlton), Victoria Park (Collingwood), Whitten Oval (Bulldogs), Punt Road (Richmond), Tullamarine (Essendon), RSEA Park (St KIlda), Alberton Oval (Port Adelaide), Hall of Industries (Sydney), the Giants training venue, Springfield (the Lions), Carrara (the Suns), Arden Street (North), Lathlain oval (West coast), Cockburn (Fremantle) - all have had local, state and federal dollars thrown at them - used for training, AFLW and state matches.

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those grounds were below par and not up to standard, the clubs paid for the up graids and stands when they were being used, the the legends stand at Carlton that John Elliott that had built almost bankrupt the club.

the NRL clubs are getting center of excellence built nrl teams, Penrith, parramatta, southh sydney to name a few and the club it self puts nothing in despite being on paper wealthy thanks to gaming licences and leagues clubs

[WookieReturns]

Dude im not going to keep arguing this with you, as its clear you havent the faintest idea what you are talking about. Good day sir

[Fred]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Collingwood's training facility was at Gosh's paddock - or across the road from the G. Not Victoria Park?

They play AFLW and VFL/W matches at Victoria Park

Cheers

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

Dude im not going to keep arguing this with you, as its clear you havent the faintest idea what you are talking about. Good day sir

we can start going in to detail about each club is you would like?

he "Legends Stand" at Princes Park was a major part of the Carlton Football Club's history and a source of significant debt. The club was facing a debt of at least $9 million, largely associated with the Legends Stand, which was a prominent feature of the stadium. There were concerns about the club's financial situation, and the players were asked to accept wage cuts to alleviate the financial burden.
The Legends Stand was a significant structure at Princes Park, a stadium that played a crucial role in the history of Carlton. The stadium itself was a suburban ground in Melbourne, and the Legends Stand was a prominent feature within it. In 2005, a farewell game was played at Princes Park, marking the end of its use as a suburban ground in the AFL, according to Wikipedia.
The Carlton Football Club's financial struggles, including the debt related to the Legends Stand, highlighted the importance of financial stability for sports

https://www.google.com/search?q=ledgend ... s-wiz-serp

[WookieReturns]

Subject at hand is the tasmanian football club but sure

This list from greg blood might help
https://australiansportreflections.com/ ... g-centres/

AFL Clubs

Adelaide Crows – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government election announcement to support the development of a new home for the Crows in the city centre. In 2023, the ALP State ALP Government committed $15m. Proposed facility now at Thebarton Oval. Proposed cost $100m.

Brisbane Lions (Brighton Homes Arena)– $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government budget and $15m from ALP State Government. Estimated cost $80m. Completed in 2022.

Carlton Blues (Ikon Park)– $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government and $20m in 2018 from ALP State Government for redevelopment of Ikon Park. State Two completed in 2022. (and Bloods list doesnt count funding in 2006)

Collingwood Magpies (AIA Centre) – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government. Completed in 2022.

Essendon Bombers (The Hangar) -$6m in 2011 from Gillard Federal Government as part of it sharing facilities with Paralympic athletes and $1.8m State Government. Estimated cost $25m. Completed in 2013..

Freemantle Dockers – $10m in 2013 from Gillard Federal Government, $10m from Liberal State Government, $65 million from City of Cockburn and the AFL and Dockers also contributing. Estimated cost $109m. Completed in 2017.

Geelong Cats (Kardinia Park) – In 2024, it was announced former president Frank Costa had pledged $10 million to the planned indoor training facility.

Gold Coast Suns – $15m in 2015 from Abbott Federal Government. Estimated cost $22m. Completed in 2017.

GWS Giants (Tom Wills Oval) – In 2007, the NSW government ($15M) , Blacktown City Council, Cricket NSW and the AFL agreed to the development of an AFL/Cricket centre at Blacktown International Sportspark at a cost of $27.5 million. GWS moved to Sydney Olympic Park in 2014 – funded by State Government (?) and $2m Federal Abbott Government. Estimated cost $11.5m. In 2023, $15m from Coalition State Government to upgrade its centre for excellence.

Hawthorn Hawks (Kennedy Community Centre, Dingley) – Both the federal and state governments are funding $15 million each while Kingston City Council is funding $5 million. AFL is also committing $5 million, and the Hawthorn Football Club is funding the remaining $73 million. Estimated cost $113m.

Melbourne Demons (Thurin High Performance Centre at Casey Fields) – $8 m upgrade in 2018-19 from $5m in ALP State Government funding. Completed in 2024.

North Melbourne Kangaroos (Arden Street Oval)- Redeveloped in time for the 2010 AFL season with funding from Federal and State Governments. It cost $16 million. Stage 2 of the redevelopment funded $7.3 million from the ALP Victorian Government in 2022. Completed in 2023.

Port Adelaide Power (MG High Performance Centre) – $2.5m in 2008 from Rudd Federal Government and $2.5m in 2008 from Rann State Government for the development of Allan Scott Power Headquarters facility at Alberton Oval MG High Performance Centre at Alberton Oval funded by a $15m Morrison Federal Government, $3 m Coalition State Government, and additional funding from the AFL, City of Port Adelaide Enfield and club co-major partners, MG and GFG. Opened in 2024. Estimated cost $25m.

Richmond Tigers (Punt Rd Oval Redevelopment) – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government budget for establishment of William Cooper Centre to house the club’s women’s football operations and the Bachar Houli Foundation. $15.5 m from ALP State Government in 2020. Estimated cost $65m.

St Kilda Saints (RSEA Park) – $12m in 2015 and $13 m in 2018 million from ALP State Government for redevelopment of Moorabbin Oval. Estimated cost $30m. Opened in 2022. Note – State Government previously provided $3.45 million when it moved to Seaford.

Sydney Swans (Sydney Swans HQ) -$15m from the Morrison Federal Government in 2019, $26m Coalition State Government, and $6m from the AFL. The remaining cost was funded through the Sydney Swans Foundation and the generosity of club donors. Completed in 2023. Estimated cost $70m.

West Coast Eagles (Mineral Resources Park) – $13m from Abbott Federal Government in 2016 and $10m by Liberal State Government. Estimated cost $60m. Completed in 2019.

Western Bulldogs (Mission Whitten Oval) – $8m in 2004 from Howard Federal Government and $3m ALP State Government. Estimated cost $20m. Stage 2 – $15m – Morrison Federal Government in 2022 and $36.6m by ALP State Government in 2020 and the AFL and the club.. Estimated cost $73.9m.

Tasmanian Government has committed $60m for the proposed Tasmanian AFL team. AFL will contribute $10m. Estimated cost $70m. St Kilda Saints and GWS Giants have moved from their original high performance centres – as a result governments have funded two of their centres. Hawthorn Hawks is moving to a new centre in Dingley, Adelaide Crows planning to move to Thebarton Oval and Melbourne Demons looking top move to Caulfield Racecourse Reserve.

[WookieReturns]

we can start going in to detail about each club is you would like?

he "Legends Stand" at Princes Park was a major part of the Carlton Football Club's history and a source of significant debt. The club was facing a debt of at least $9 million, largely associated with the Legends Stand, which was a prominent feature of the stadium. There were concerns about the club's financial situation, and the players were asked to accept wage cuts to alleviate the financial burden.
The Legends Stand was a significant structure at Princes Park, a stadium that played a crucial role in the history of Carlton. The stadium itself was a suburban ground in Melbourne, and the Legends Stand was a prominent feature within it. In 2005, a farewell game was played at Princes Park, marking the end of its use as a suburban ground in the AFL, according to Wikipedia.
The Carlton Football Club's financial struggles, including the debt related to the Legends Stand, highlighted the importance of financial stability for sports

https://www.google.com/search?q=ledgend ... s-wiz-serp

Im probably more aware of my clubs activities than most. Elliot was told by the AFL to not build the stand. He went ahead and did it anyway.

Stadium is still used by its AFLW/VFL/VFLW sides as well as AFL training. It acts as a defacto central venue for AFLW in Victoria.

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

we can start going in to detail about each club is you would like?

he "Legends Stand" at Princes Park was a major part of the Carlton Football Club's history and a source of significant debt. The club was facing a debt of at least $9 million, largely associated with the Legends Stand, which was a prominent feature of the stadium. There were concerns about the club's financial situation, and the players were asked to accept wage cuts to alleviate the financial burden.
The Legends Stand was a significant structure at Princes Park, a stadium that played a crucial role in the history of Carlton. The stadium itself was a suburban ground in Melbourne, and the Legends Stand was a prominent feature within it. In 2005, a farewell game was played at Princes Park, marking the end of its use as a suburban ground in the AFL, according to Wikipedia.
The Carlton Football Club's financial struggles, including the debt related to the Legends Stand, highlighted the importance of financial stability for sports

https://www.google.com/search?q=ledgend ... s-wiz-serp

Im probably more aware of my clubs activities than most. Elliot was told by the AFL to not build the stand. He went ahead and did it anyway.

Stadium is still used by its AFLW/VFL/VFLW sides as well as AFL training. It acts as a defacto central venue for AFLW in Victoria.

where is the article that backs up the comment about the AFL telling Elliot this?

Elliott with all his government connections how much money did the tax payer pay for the stand or the club foot the total bill?

the stadium has a listed capacity of 13k and a record 62k in 1945 so lets assume the capacity in the 90s was 25/30k most of the other stands have been pulled down or condemned.
so as you said the ground is used for all those events why is it in such a poor state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_Park_(stadium)

[WookieReturns]

where is the article that backs up the comment about the AFL telling Elliot this?

Its from his biography and Ross Oakleys "The Phoenix Rises"

Elliott with all his government connections how much money did the tax payer pay for the stand or the club foot the total bill?

Club paid for the total bill.

the stadium has a listed capacity of 13k and a record 62k in 1945 so lets assume the capacity in the 90s was 25/30k most of the other stands have been pulled down or condemned.

No, its that OH&S restrictions meant capacities dropped and people no longer sat on the sidelines on the field. Same reason every other venues capacity was reduced.

so as you said the ground is used for all those events why is it in such a poor state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_Park_(stadium)

capacity is not indicative of the state of the venue. Im a Carlton member dude. The ground is fine for what it is now.

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

where is the article that backs up the comment about the AFL telling Elliot this?

Its from his biography and Ross Oakleys "The Phoenix Rises"

Elliott with all his government connections how much money did the tax payer pay for the stand or the club foot the total bill?

Club paid for the total bill.

the stadium has a listed capacity of 13k and a record 62k in 1945 so lets assume the capacity in the 90s was 25/30k most of the other stands have been pulled down or condemned.

No, its that OH&S restrictions meant capacities dropped and people no longer sat on the sidelines on the field. Same reason every other venues capacity was reduced.

so as you said the ground is used for all those events why is it in such a poor state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_Park_(stadium)

capacity is not indicative of the state of the venue. Im a Carlton member dude. The ground is fine for what it is now.

Its from his biography and Ross Oakleys "The Phoenix Rises"

ill put that on the list of books to read

Club paid for the total bill.

thats my point and difference between the 2 codes the NRL clubs rearly contrubute anything where as the AFL and clubs do

No, its that OH&S restrictions meant capacities dropped and people no longer sat on the sidelines on the field. Same reason every other venues capacity was reduced.

youd think the capacity would be larger than that or seeing the state is was in money would be spent for up grades

[azif]

The AFL
a disgusting vile organisation

they will TEAR up the license if the Tas govt refuses to build statium & bankrupt the state

they're happy to play games in front of 3000 people in area's where the sport is as popular as a turd milkshake
Western Sydney

but won't give the sports heartland ... Tasmania .. a team because they won't build a stadium
dogs
ratbags
cun.,ts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/n ... 9#comments

This is wankerball to a tee

I dare them to
I dare them to take this team away if the stadium won't be built by 2028

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

The AFL
a disgusting vile organisation

they will TEAR up the license if the Tas govt refuses to build statium & bankrupt the state

they're happy to play games in front of 3000 people in area's where the sport is as popular as a turd milkshake
Western Sydney

but won't give the sports heartland ... Tasmania .. a team because they won't build a stadium
dogs
ratbags
cun.,ts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/n ... 9#comments

This is wankerball to a tee

I dare them to
I dare them to take this team away if the stadium won't be built by 2028

as oppose to all the hand outs the NRL get! soon as the AFL wants some its go in to self righteous moral high ground mode!
just face it your scared shitless of the AFL to the point that the NRL leaches off the tax payer, cant bank roll or fund a fucken team for its survival or grass roots level! yet Tasmania the state cannot get a first class stadium while the AFL owns and bank rolls its teams on Sydney and GC and will do majority in Tamanis along with grass roots level

cooking the books and crowd numbers it the NRL game, the game in vegas, the magic gather rounds!

[leeroy*NRL*]

The AFL
a disgusting vile organisation

they will TEAR up the license if the Tas govt refuses to build statium & bankrupt the state

they're happy to play games in front of 3000 people in area's where the sport is as popular as a turd milkshake
Western Sydney

but won't give the sports heartland ... Tasmania .. a team because they won't build a stadium
dogs
ratbags
cun.,ts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/n ... 9#comments

This is wankerball to a tee

I dare them to
I dare them to take this team away if the stadium won't be built by 2028

as oppose to all the hand outs the NRL get! soon as the AFL wants some its go in to self righteous moral high ground mode!
just face it your scared shitless of the AFL to the point that the NRL leaches off the tax payer, cant bank roll or fund a fucken team for its survival or grass roots level! yet Tasmania the state cannot get a first class stadium while the AFL owns and bank rolls its teams on Sydney and GC and will do majority in Tamanis along with grass roots level

cooking the books and crowd numbers it the NRL game, the game in vegas, the magic gather rounds!

i just realize who you are ....

Leagueiscrap You repeat things like he did on and on
welcome back its been a while

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

The AFL
a disgusting vile organisation

they will TEAR up the license if the Tas govt refuses to build statium & bankrupt the state

they're happy to play games in front of 3000 people in area's where the sport is as popular as a turd milkshake
Western Sydney

but won't give the sports heartland ... Tasmania .. a team because they won't build a stadium
dogs
ratbags
cun.,ts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/n ... 9#comments

This is wankerball to a tee

I dare them to
I dare them to take this team away if the stadium won't be built by 2028

as oppose to all the hand outs the NRL get! soon as the AFL wants some its go in to self righteous moral high ground mode!
just face it your scared shitless of the AFL to the point that the NRL leaches off the tax payer, cant bank roll or fund a fucken team for its survival or grass roots level! yet Tasmania the state cannot get a first class stadium while the AFL owns and bank rolls its teams on Sydney and GC and will do majority in Tamanis along with grass roots level

cooking the books and crowd numbers it the NRL game, the game in vegas, the magic gather rounds!

i just realize who you are ....

Leagueiscrap You repeat things like he did on and on
welcome back its been a while

who?

the stuff respond to is from what your mates post, follow the money train and of the funding

[azif]

The AFL
a disgusting vile organisation

they will TEAR up the license if the Tas govt refuses to build statium & bankrupt the state

they're happy to play games in front of 3000 people in area's where the sport is as popular as a turd milkshake
Western Sydney

but won't give the sports heartland ... Tasmania .. a team because they won't build a stadium
dogs
ratbags
cun.,ts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/n ... 9#comments

This is wankerball to a tee

I dare them to
I dare them to take this team away if the stadium won't be built by 2028

as oppose to all the hand outs the NRL get! soon as the AFL wants some its go in to self righteous moral high ground mode!
just face it your scared shitless of the AFL to the point that the NRL leaches off the tax payer, cant bank roll or fund a fucken team for its survival or grass roots level! yet Tasmania the state cannot get a first class stadium while the AFL owns and bank rolls its teams on Sydney and GC and will do majority in Tamanis along with grass roots level

cooking the books and crowd numbers it the NRL game, the game in vegas, the magic gather rounds!

i just realize who you are ....

Leagueiscrap You repeat things like he did on and on
welcome back its been a while

oh no

spambot

a bowl of porridge is more intelligent