Serious question about NRL's direction

[cos789]

Simple fact is that any remark directed towards a particular race is technically racist.
Been there done that. Youn didn't agree with me so forget that part.

However as usual rl types here are shooting the messenger. We don't care . But the article highlights two problems - the disincentive to juniors in age divisions and the possible reduced association with a headline team.

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[Xman]

I absolutely encourage different races playing in any Australian competition. But when the greatest proportion of the comps participants is from one ethnic group, and that ethnic group is not even close to the racial mix our population represents, thats not a good advertisment for that sport in our community.

Simple. Claim its racist, i dont care. But deep down you know its not a comment against these races but a comment about the sport and competition.

As I said folks, he doesnt even know it.

"Not a comment against Islanders"? "Not racist"? Ummm hows about you go into one of the local Islander communities in Sydney with your soapbox and stand there with your microphone and state what you just said?

when the greatest proportion of the NRLs participants are of Islander descent, and Islanders are not even close to the racial mix our population represents, thats not a good advertisment for Rugby LEague in our community.

I'll leave it to all you folks to imagine what would happen next. All's I'll say is it would be quite amusing and deserved.


Oh Xman you've really outed yourself in this one. I take no credit whatsoever

The sad thing is while clearly racist Xman is also distorting the facts here to support his racist view...as most racists will do. The majority of people of Islander descent playing in the NRL were born in Australia. They've got every right to believe they are as 'Australian' as Xman and cos. IMO 'Australians' like Xman and Cos really should "go back to where they came from". Shocking views

As i said, I dont care what you think. I work and socialise with many racial groups with perfect harmony. But if a comp like the EPL contained 50% of participants from one racial group that wasnt even well represented in their community that wouldnt be a great incentive for the locals racial groups to join in or follow.

Call it what you like but its not racism, just observation.

[King-Eliagh]

Doofus. Professional sporting teams are picked on who has the skill to play. Whatever ethnic identity those players which are picked has nothing to do with it. It's one of the beauties of sport that groups of ethnic identities other than the dominant group may play on an equal playing field, rather than compete through an education system which is inevitably biased to the mainstream culture and language.

And now you're claiming that a high proportion of Islanders is a "bad" thing?

Racist!

And just a side fact. Islanders are quite well represented in communities across australia.

Xman - he's quite simply, 'unaustralian'.

Cos can you answer my questions in my opening post please? Thanks champ.

[Xman]

Doofus. Professional sporting teams are picked on who has the skill to play. Whatever ethnic identity those players which are picked has nothing to do with it. It's one of the beauties of sport that groups of ethnic identities other than the dominant group may play on an equal playing field, rather than compete through an education system which is inevitably biased to the mainstream culture and language.

And now you're claiming that a high proportion of Islanders is a "bad" thing?

Racist!

And just a side fact. Islanders are quite well represented in communities across australia.

Xman - he's quite simply, 'unaustralian'.

Cos can you answer my questions in my opening post please? Thanks champ.

If I claimed I refused to play RL because there are predominantly polynesians playing Id be rightly called a racist. Im not. Not even close. Im saying if you fill a comp with a large proportion of one racial group that is not consistent with the racial mix of the country its played in youll strike problems, whether thats fair or not.

Observation my freind, nothing more.

[King-Eliagh]

And the backpeddling begins

Finally you've realised what you're saying is ludicrous and racist Xman. You're making more than 'observations' here Xman. Your making judgement, that's clear as day.

Now I'll ask you again. Do you consider those of Pacific Islander descent but born in Australia to not be Australian? Or are you simply focussing on their racial background as a means to argue they are "different" i.e a "problem"?

And I reiterate. Noone is as you say "filling a comp with a large proportion of ...blah blah blah". Players are being picked on ability you numbskull.

[Xman]

And the backpeddling begins

Finally you've realised what you're saying is ludicrous and racist Xman. You're making more than 'observations' here Xman. Your making judgement, that's clear as day.

Now I'll ask you again. Do you consider those of Pacific Islander descent but born in Australia to not be Australian? Or are you simply focussing on their racial background as a means to argue they are "different" i.e a "problem"?

And I reiterate. Noone is as you say "filling a comp with a large proportion of ...blah blah blah". Players are being picked on ability you numbskull.

Rubbish. I'm commenting on the effect of having a competition whos participants are heavily weighted to what is effectively a minor racial group in Australia. I'm not making any comments about the racial group specifically.

It's like saying people who comment about the issues and challenges around indigenous health are racist.

Stop being a tool.

[King-Eliagh]

So what's this "effect" you speak of Xman? What effect does having a significant proportion of players of Islander descent playing in the NRL?

[Xman]

So what's this "effect" you speak of Xman? What effect does having a significant proportion of players of Islander descent playing in the NRL?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/stat ... 6403778552

So you dont think when a growing number of a leagues stars are from other countries this wouldnt have an impact on local following?

[piesman2011]

Sometimes when people write things down they come out wrong. The most badly written example was this gem from Xman


He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He said having such a high proportion, like 50%, is bad. Thats completely different. He is not criticising this racial group or their involvment

Let me try to rewrite this for you Xman.

He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He meant that by having a high proportion of islanders in the league, that people from a different background really have to stand out in a big way to get on to an NRL list (I dont believe this by the way).

Did I succeed in making that comment not racist? (Im not 100% sure)

[King-Eliagh]

So what's this "effect" you speak of Xman? What effect does having a significant proportion of players of Islander descent playing in the NRL?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/stat ... 6403778552

So you dont think when a growing number of a leagues stars are from other countries this wouldnt have an impact on local following?

This simpletons article is all about pay packets and professionalism. Fact of the matter is someone born in NSW is from NSW and same for someone born in QLD. Xman your view of all this, like cos', is ignorant and racist.

Allow me once again to knock your brain in the right direction. Approx half of the players of pacific islander descent playing in the NRL were born in Australia. So those from o/s comprise around 15% of all players. And if this grows, whoopdidoo, good for them. The positions will go to the best players, as long as we dont have some racist git like yourself or cos at the helm stating trash like "its a bad thing if the proportion of players of islander descent playing exceeds 50%." Again I'll state most these blokes are Australian.

I imagine you have the same attitude with Aboriginal players in the AFL? The Aboriginal population is approx 2.5% of the total Australian pop. Yet there's approx 10% of AFL players who are of Aboriginal descent...This "bad" too Xman?

I note cos and TLPG have the sense not to touch this one with a 10foot pole anymore. I really thought you were a few brain cells above those two Xman

[King-Eliagh]

Sometimes when people write things down they come out wrong. The most badly written example was this gem from Xman


He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He said having such a high proportion, like 50%, is bad. Thats completely different. He is not criticising this racial group or their involvment

Let me try to rewrite this for you Xman.

He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He meant that by having a high proportion of islanders in the league, that people from a different background really have to stand out in a big way to get on to an NRL list (I dont believe this by the way).

Did I succeed in making that comment not racist? (Im not 100% sure)

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An admirable try pies. Xman I hope you paid him good for this No but seriously, pies? Its impossible to clear the wrongs of Xman in this one. He can only do it himself by admitting his own ignorance and racist attitudes.

Its no biggy Xman. Just share your guilt.

[Xman]

Sometimes when people write things down they come out wrong. The most badly written example was this gem from Xman


He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He said having such a high proportion, like 50%, is bad. Thats completely different. He is not criticising this racial group or their involvment

Let me try to rewrite this for you Xman.

He never said having islanders playing in the NRL was bad for the league. He meant that by having a high proportion of islanders in the league, that people from a different background really have to stand out in a big way to get on to an NRL list (I dont believe this by the way).

Did I succeed in making that comment not racist? (Im not 100% sure)

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An admirable try pies. Xman I hope you paid him good for this No but seriously, pies? Its impossible to clear the wrongs of Xman in this one. He can only do it himself by admitting his own ignorance and racist attitudes.

Its no biggy Xman. Just share your guilt.

commenting on a scenario involving a racial group doesnot make you a racist.

[King-Eliagh]

I agree Xman. But making judgement that the overrepresentation of a minority group exceeding on their own merit in a sport is bad and not representative of the Australian community is very racist.

Comprehende?

[Xman]

I agree Xman. But making judgement that the overrepresentation of a minority group exceeding on their own merit in a sport is bad and not representative of the Australian community is very racist.

Comprehende?

ah no you dont comprehend. I never said it was a bad thing. I said it may cause issues like the one described in the article I linked.

[Raiderdave]

its just another example of Victorian Rules fans being a bit backward
a bit ... 1960's in their outlook
a bit outdated

they cannot fathom that an Australian of polynesian descent .. is still an Australian
their racist tendencies & overtures aren't subtle & it seems its only this sport where the trait is apparent
RL the sport embraces different cultures .. or it has evolved this way

wether it be the Indigenousness of South Sydney
the Middle Easternness of the Bulldogs
or the Polynesianness of the Warriors

we see nothing but our fav sport being played ... by whom .. or where they or their parents .. grand parents are from .. we don;t care
VFL fans see colour
I mean seriously
do Americans still carry on about Blacks dominating their professional sports as either its stars or the sheer numb of them ?
no

they grew the F.uck up about 50 years ago

its about time our vicky kicky friends did the same