AFL, still stuck in the Homophobic 1950s

[Cracker]

No, it means no one has crossed the line into abuse. And it is reportable;

SECTION 15
PLAYER’S MISCONDUCT
1. A player is guilty of misconduct if he:
(a) trips, kicks or strikes another player.
(b) when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.
(c) drops knees first on to an opponent who is on the ground
(d) uses any dangerous throw when effecting a tackle.
(e) deliberately and continuously breaks the Laws of the Game.
(f) uses offensive or obscene language.

And in the notes it says;
Verbal abuse, obscene language and sledging, including comments or words that threaten or denigrate an opponent, referee or supporter is an infringement.

[Xman]

No, it means no one has crossed the line into abuse. And it is reportable;

SECTION 15
PLAYER’S MISCONDUCT
1. A player is guilty of misconduct if he:
(a) trips, kicks or strikes another player.
(b) when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.
(c) drops knees first on to an opponent who is on the ground
(d) uses any dangerous throw when effecting a tackle.
(e) deliberately and continuously breaks the Laws of the Game.
(f) uses offensive or obscene language.

And in the notes it says;
Verbal abuse, obscene language and sledging, including comments or words that threaten or denigrate an opponent, referee or supporter is an infringement.

So no NRL player has used abusive or obscene language in the last decade? You're kidding surely....

[Cracker]

If there have been no reports for it, no one has been caught by the referees. If there had been homophobic conduct a complaint would have been made.

Do you have evidence of any on field homophobic conduct in the NRL that went unreported and complained about after Ian Roberts came out?

[Xman]

If there have been no reports for it, no one has been caught by the referees. If there had been homophobic conduct a complaint would have been made.

Do you have evidence of any on field homophobic conduct in the NRL that went unreported and complained about after Ian Roberts came out?

We all know that offensive language is used by players on the field in just about every professional sport. The fact no NRL players have been booked for it suggests they are either not paying attention or not concerned. To me this suggests insults like Milnes could be common place but simply not reported.

[Cracker]

And you would be incorrect. There is no proof that there has been on field homophobic behaviour in the NRL. If you know something you should say so, and with proof.

[Xman]

And you would be incorrect. There is no proof that there has been on field homophobic behaviour in the NRL. If you know something you should say so, and with proof.

I'm not even talking homophobic, I'm talking abuse. If its against the rules why isn't it reported. And don't try to tell me it doesn't happen.

[Cracker]

Now you're being facetious. There's a line between acceptable sledging and unacceptable abuse. Homophobic conduct is unacceptable abuse. Generalised sledging (here's a good example in cricket "I've seen a better batter in a fish'n'chip shop") is fine. There is other conduct that is not acceptable either - racism of course qualifies for that.

Now again, show me an example of on field homophobic conduct that has gone unreported or complained about. Or accept that the NRL don't have the issues in that area that the AFL have had and did not deal with correctly and appropriately.

[Xman]

Now you're being facetious. There's a line between acceptable sledging and unacceptable abuse. Homophobic conduct is unacceptable abuse. Generalised sledging (here's a good example in cricket "I've seen a better batter in a fish'n'chip shop") is fine. There is other conduct that is not acceptable either - racism of course qualifies for that.

Now again, show me an example of on field homophobic conduct that has gone unreported or complained about. Or accept that the NRL don't have the issues in that area that the AFL have had and did not deal with correctly and appropriately.

Show me an example of any NRL player being charged with abuse of any kind. Until you do we can only assume there is abuse that is not reported.

Also, what are you basing your comment that the AFL didnt treat abuse properly on? Milne was punished and there have been no other similar incidents since. Seems to me the AFL are the ones who report these offences and act. And the fact there haven't been any since is proof their actions have worked

[Fred]

Anyone thinks the AFL is homophobic is either an idiot or troll. It's just plain stupid. Indeed, the whole need to 'come out' is so 80s ... The campaign by the AFL now does show how far behind in their thinking they are .... Message to AFL ... No one cares if someone is gay? The campaign should be, if they have to have one, where AFL players have media conferences to state that they have thought long and hard and have decided to come out as heterosexual !!!! This would highlight the total non issue of someone's sexuality. I wrote a peice in uni once about how tolerance, whilst a positive step, was just a step and indeed just another form of discrimination. You see, it is still passing judgement; when we no longer notice or care them equality will be reached.

[Cracker]

Now you're being facetious. There's a line between acceptable sledging and unacceptable abuse. Homophobic conduct is unacceptable abuse. Generalised sledging (here's a good example in cricket "I've seen a better batter in a fish'n'chip shop") is fine. There is other conduct that is not acceptable either - racism of course qualifies for that.

Now again, show me an example of on field homophobic conduct that has gone unreported or complained about. Or accept that the NRL don't have the issues in that area that the AFL have had and did not deal with correctly and appropriately.

Show me an example of any NRL player being charged with abuse of any kind. Until you do we can only assume there is abuse that is not reported.

That is an assumption of convenience designed to deflect the argument. The rule is there. Whether or not it is applied is a subjective point iwht no tangible use. The only way you can show otherwise is to demonstrate an example of an incident with homophobia that has gone unreported by the NRL judiciary either by the referees on the day or by investigation of a complaint. Until then, there have been no reports because it hasn't happened. You have to prove that it has.

Also, what are you basing your comment that the AFL didnt treat abuse properly on? Milne was punished and there have been no other similar incidents since. Seems to me the AFL are the ones who report these offences and act. And the fact there haven't been any since is proof their actions have worked

Milne was effectively given a tap on the hand. $3000 was a light and unacceptable punishment by the AFL, and he committed the offence a second time and the AFL didn't punish him at all. You can not possibly defend this as reasonable, as it demonstrates the AFL's reluctance to deal with the matter as strongly as it should have. There is no such demonstrable relucatance by the NRL.

[Xman]

Now you're being facetious. There's a line between acceptable sledging and unacceptable abuse. Homophobic conduct is unacceptable abuse. Generalised sledging (here's a good example in cricket "I've seen a better batter in a fish'n'chip shop") is fine. There is other conduct that is not acceptable either - racism of course qualifies for that.

Now again, show me an example of on field homophobic conduct that has gone unreported or complained about. Or accept that the NRL don't have the issues in that area that the AFL have had and did not deal with correctly and appropriately.

Show me an example of any NRL player being charged with abuse of any kind. Until you do we can only assume there is abuse that is not reported.

That is an assumption of convenience designed to deflect the argument. The rule is there. Whether or not it is applied is a subjective point iwht no tangible use. The only way you can show otherwise is to demonstrate an example of an incident with homophobia that has gone unreported by the NRL judiciary either by the referees on the day or by investigation of a complaint. Until then, there have been no reports because it hasn't happened. You have to prove that it has.

Also, what are you basing your comment that the AFL didnt treat abuse properly on? Milne was punished and there have been no other similar incidents since. Seems to me the AFL are the ones who report these offences and act. And the fact there haven't been any since is proof their actions have worked

Milne was effectively given a tap on the hand. $3000 was a light and unacceptable punishment by the AFL, and he committed the offence a second time and the AFL didn't punish him at all. You can not possibly defend this as reasonable, as it demonstrates the AFL's reluctance to deal with the matter as strongly as it should have. There is no such demonstrable relucatance by the NRL.

Yet after Milne no ther offences have been committed. So the AFL either got that right or there was no problem there in the first place.

As far as enforcing a rule about on field abuse, the AFL have acted on other incidents but the NRL have not. Maybe only one of the codes is taking it seriously.

[Cracker]

What incidents have the NRL not acted on? Please be specific.

Your excuse over the reaction to the Milne incident insinuates that you yourself are not taking the matter very seriously in my opinion.

[Xman]

What incidents have the NRL not acted on? Please be specific.

Your excuse over the reaction to the Milne incident insinuates that you yourself are not taking the matter very seriously in my opinion.

Every code has issues with sledging on the field. The AFL have acted in the past, the NRL appear to turn a blind eye because none have surfaced

[Cracker]

Please do not attempt to mix general sledging with unacceptable abuse. Homophobic conduct is no different to racism. Are you by any chance attempting to suggest that racism is also sledging for instance? Both the AFL and the NRL have acted over racism, and there in fact the AFL's handling has been better.

Your assumption that the NRL has turned a blind eye to on field homophobic conduct carries no weight because you have not given examples of unreported conduct of that nature.

[Dogs]

AFL strikes again. Sam the homophobic panellist on the AFL footy show. Before you jump to anyone's defence, let me know if you will continue to watch this homophobic clown.
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