AFL, still stuck in the Homophobic 1950s

[Xman]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.

Milnes comment, while distasteful, was an insult and no more directed at the gay community than the average NRL fan who calls AFL "GAyFL". BTW I don't see any AFL fans calling RL by a homophobic name

Where as Stigs comments were clearly directed at the gay community and were about as homophobic as you can get.

[adamj1300]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.

they didnt have to and didnt like usual faceless and not making a noise like usual
it is not completely out side of the NRL's jurisdiction.
they could of done something about it, lead the way. name and shame the person. led a campaign that it isn't on.

similar to what the AFL has done with the racial slurs last year.

[AFLcrap1]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.

they didnt have to and didnt like usual faceless and not making a noise like usual
it is not completely out side of the NRL's jurisdiction.
they could of done something about it, lead the way. name and shame the person. led a campaign that it isn't on.

similar to what the AFL has done with the racial slurs last year.

Oh yeh they really showed the way with this racist flog.

[Cracker]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.

Milnes comment, while distasteful, was an insult and no more directed at the gay community than the average NRL fan who calls AFL "GAyFL". BTW I don't see any AFL fans calling RL by a homophobic name

Where as Stigs comments were clearly directed at the gay community and were about as homophobic as you can get.

As I said, my understanding is that Milne's comments went beyond what was stated - possibly to the same level as Stig's. They were both homophobic, and don't forget that Milne did it again to Harry O'Brien. That second time it was St Kilda who acted and not the AFL. So the fine had no effect.

Honestly, I don't think the two situations are any different. Using the "gay" term in any way other than correctly should start being punished properly. Milne should have been suspended and he wasn't. If Stig was still an active player I would be making the same call, and I believe that he would have been.

[Xman]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.

Milnes comment, while distasteful, was an insult and no more directed at the gay community than the average NRL fan who calls AFL "GAyFL". BTW I don't see any AFL fans calling RL by a homophobic name

Where as Stigs comments were clearly directed at the gay community and were about as homophobic as you can get.

As I said, my understanding is that Milne's comments went beyond what was stated - possibly to the same level as Stig's. They were both homophobic, and don't forget that Milne did it again to Harry O'Brien. That second time it was St Kilda who acted and not the AFL. So the fine had no effect.

Honestly, I don't think the two situations are any different. Using the "gay" term in any way other than correctly should start being punished properly. Milne should have been suspended and he wasn't. If Stig was still an active player I would be making the same call, and I believe that he would have been.

What rubbish. You have no proof Milne said anything more than what was claimed. Furthermore it was a one line insult against another player and didnt specifically attack the gay community. It was not a deliberate attack on the gay community like Stigs was.

[Cracker]

A one line insult is enough to offend, and whenever it is used it is used to misrepresent (and therefore attack) the gay community. There is no difference between indirect (Milne - twice) and direct (Stig) when it comes to misrepresentation. Both were intentional.

And yet you seek to apparently defend Milne? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable.

[Xman]

A one line insult is enough to offend, and whenever it is used it is used to misrepresent (and therefore attack) the gay community. There is no difference between indirect (Milne - twice) and direct (Stig) when it comes to misrepresentation. Both were intentional.

And yet you seek to apparently defend Milne? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable.

I'm not defending Milne. I'm saying his use of a one line insult was poor and deserved punishment but was no where near as homophobic as Stigs direct attack on the gay community.

Youre the one who said the AFL were worse, now your saying their indiscretions are comparable. Back tracking now?

[Cracker]

No I never said the AFL were worse within the playing or former playing group. I said that the AFL were worse on the punishment scale, as in they slapped Milne's hand as an active player. Stig is not an active player so from that aspect they are not comparable. If Stig was an active player the NRL would have done what the AFL should have done with Milne.

From the point of view of the negative effect on the gay community, gravity is irrelevant. A smear is a smear and it should be punished.

[Xman]

No I never said the AFL were worse within the playing or former playing group. I said that the AFL were worse on the punishment scale, as in they slapped Milne's hand as an active player. Stig is not an active player so from that aspect they are not comparable. If Stig was an active player the NRL would have done what the AFL should have done with Milne.

From the point of view of the negative effect on the gay community, gravity is irrelevant. A smear is a smear and it should be punished.

So the AFL arent worse............close thread/

[Cracker]

They are worse because they didn't give the appropriate punishment to Milne. There is no comparible incident in the NRL with an active player, possibly because the players know what will happen if they do thanks probably to Ian Roberts.

[Xman]

They are worse because they didn't give the appropriate punishment to Milne. There is no comparible incident in the NRL with an active player, possibly because the players know what will happen if they do thanks probably to Ian Roberts.

Thats a total guess. Do NRL players even get reported for abusive comments?

[Cracker]

Have they? If they haven't then that's a good thing surely? It means there's nothing happening.

[Xman]

Have they? If they haven't then that's a good thing surely? It means there's nothing happening.

Ahhh, you're not suggesting there's no smack talk in the NRL surely

[Cracker]

Oh come on! There's sledging in every elite sport! There are simply lines that you don't cross. It's easy to sledge without crossing those lines.

[Xman]

Oh come on! There's sledging in every elite sport! There are simply lines that you don't cross. It's easy to sledge without crossing those lines.

And I no one has been charged for crossing a sledging line of any kind in the NRL they obviously don't care