AFL, still stuck in the Homophobic 1950s

[AFLcrap1]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

[Swans4ever]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

[AFLcrap1]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

Well acker hasn't been proven wrong..

Lift your game AFL...
What happens if a Gay player wins the Brownpole & because of the homophobia cant take his partner to share his big night..
If it was not an issue then the sport might have moved into the modern age like other sports.
But sadly when it comes to issues such as this or racism it seems to be A
Backward hick sport.

[Xman]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

Well acker hasn't been proven wrong..

Lift your game AFL...
What happens if a Gay player wins the Brownpole & because of the homophobia cant take his partner to share his big night..
If it was not an issue then the sport might have moved into the modern age like other sports.
But sadly when it comes to issues such as this or racism it seems to be A
Backward hick sport.

explain to us how the nrl have acted in a better manner

[AFLcrap1]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

Well acker hasn't been proven wrong..

Lift your game AFL...
What happens if a Gay player wins the Brownpole & because of the homophobia cant take his partner to share his big night..
If it was not an issue then the sport might have moved into the modern age like other sports.
But sadly when it comes to issues such as this or racism it seems to be A
Backward hick sport.

explain to us how the nrl have acted in a better manner

RL has had a GAY PLAYER & OFFICIAL COME OUT...WITH NO PROBLEMS.
So in future if a gay player wishes to come out ,he knows that there is no stigma,no problems,no bad reactions to his lifestyle choice..
Modern thinking there.

At the moment NO AFL player or official is game to Come out,for fear of the reaction.

In short RL crossed this bridge yrs ago .
AFL is still stuck in the past..

[Swans4ever]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

Well acker hasn't been proven wrong..

Lift your game AFL...
What happens if a Gay player wins the Brownpole & because of the homophobia cant take his partner to share his big night..
If it was not an issue then the sport might have moved into the modern age like other sports.
But sadly when it comes to issues such as this or racism it seems to be A
Backward hick sport.

explain to us how the nrl have acted in a better manner

RL has had a GAY PLAYER & OFFICIAL COME OUT...WITH NO PROBLEMS.
So in future if a gay player wishes to come out ,he knows that there is no stigma,no problems,no bad reactions to his lifestyle choice..
Modern thinking there.

At the moment NO AFL player or official is game to Come out,for fear of the reaction.

In short RL crossed this bridge yrs ago .
AFL is still stuck in the past..

You are utterly delusional!

[AFLcrap1]

OK ,tell me why this topic is in the media ,being discussed on AFL forums & social forums ETC..

No other sport seems to be having this debate now(should a gay player come out),simply because they have addressed the issue yrs ago,..
ONE sport is still stuck in the past.

Great argument WOOKIE..
That has fuck all to do with the topic..


Just like if I said ,GOD caused a Teenage girls death ,do all AFL players do that..

Grasping at straws...

[Xman]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

Might be 4 yrs ago ,,but he was right...nothing has changed,,the sport is still too homophobic for a player yto come out
& meanwhile in RL

we have had a referee come out..
no one batted an eyelid..
Because you can "come out" in RL & that is acceptable.
No problems..


Time AFL moved into the modern age.

What unless someone comes out and tells everyone what their sexual preference is the organisation is homophobia - any evidence of this OTHER than an article by someone everyone has little regard for written 4 years ago - any proof there aren't people of the homosexual persuasion playing and or working for the AFL who haven't come out because it's not an issue and it's they that want to keep that private? No again you have nothing but insinuation and a four year old article - perhaps I should start dragging up Tommy Raudonikis and his archaic thoughts on things!

Well acker hasn't been proven wrong..

Lift your game AFL...
What happens if a Gay player wins the Brownpole & because of the homophobia cant take his partner to share his big night..
If it was not an issue then the sport might have moved into the modern age like other sports.
But sadly when it comes to issues such as this or racism it seems to be A
Backward hick sport.

explain to us how the nrl have acted in a better manner

RL has had a GAY PLAYER & OFFICIAL COME OUT...WITH NO PROBLEMS.
So in future if a gay player wishes to come out ,he knows that there is no stigma,no problems,no bad reactions to his lifestyle choice..
Modern thinking there.

At the moment NO AFL player or official is game to Come out,for fear of the reaction.

In short RL crossed this bridge yrs ago .
AFL is still stuck in the past..

So the NRL have actually done NOTHING different then. Thought not

[Cracker]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

There is a big difference .
The other MALE dominated sports have Gay players/officials who have come out no problem..

Hence why he spoke so much about the AFL in the start of the article...They have not had anyone brave enough ...
They are a long way behind other sports .

I'm sorry, Xman, but he's right. And I would bring to your attention again the issue with Stephen Milne's comments in 2011 and the lack of action against them. That is further evidence. Ian Roberts was never on the receiving end of that sort of behaviour that I'm aware of.

which of Milnes comments are you referring to? Were they as homophobic as Stigs comments on social media last year? What did the NRL do about his comments?

Its a ridiculous notion to suggest athlete's attitudes for one winter code in Australia are different to another.

I am referring to the situation with Paul Licuria. Despite Milne being homophobic in his conduct he was only fined $3000. This was weak, especially as Licuria was also fined the same amount and he was never homophobic in his commentary. I also note that Milne repeated it against Harry O'Brien in 2012 showing that he never learned his lesson. He would have if proper action had been taken, such as a multi match suspension.

I don't know - nor does anyone else that I know of - what Milne said to Licuria, so it's hard to compare that to Ryan Stig's obviously stupid commentary. The only point I would make is that Stig is not an active player. I don't say that to defend his comments but rather to emphasis the NRL's inability to properly deal with it as it could have if it had been an active player as Milne was with the AFL.

[ParraEelsNRL]

Hahaha one straight parent rule next to go along with the one snow coloured parent thingo

[Cracker]

That was uncalled for, ParraEelsNRL.

[ParraEelsNRL]

Was it?

lol

[AFLcrap1]

Hahaha one straight parent rule next to go along with the one snow coloured parent thingo

[Xman]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

There is a big difference .
The other MALE dominated sports have Gay players/officials who have come out no problem..

Hence why he spoke so much about the AFL in the start of the article...They have not had anyone brave enough ...
They are a long way behind other sports .

I'm sorry, Xman, but he's right. And I would bring to your attention again the issue with Stephen Milne's comments in 2011 and the lack of action against them. That is further evidence. Ian Roberts was never on the receiving end of that sort of behaviour that I'm aware of.

which of Milnes comments are you referring to? Were they as homophobic as Stigs comments on social media last year? What did the NRL do about his comments?

Its a ridiculous notion to suggest athlete's attitudes for one winter code in Australia are different to another.

I am referring to the situation with Paul Licuria. Despite Milne being homophobic in his conduct he was only fined $3000. This was weak, especially as Licuria was also fined the same amount and he was never homophobic in his commentary. I also note that Milne repeated it against Harry O'Brien in 2012 showing that he never learned his lesson. He would have if proper action had been taken, such as a multi match suspension.

I don't know - nor does anyone else that I know of - what Milne said to Licuria, so it's hard to compare that to Ryan Stig's obviously stupid commentary. The only point I would make is that Stig is not an active player. I don't say that to defend his comments but rather to emphasis the NRL's inability to properly deal with it as it could have if it had been an active player as Milne was with the AFL.

So Milne, a who is currently not an active player, was fined $3000 for calling Licuria a homo, and this is worse than Stig's homophobic comments which were left unpunished by the NRL?

Are you serious??

[Cracker]

My understanding is that Milne's conduct went beyond that. Besides this, at the time he was an active player. And yet he only got fined. He should have been suspended. Stig was not an active player when he did what he did, and not a member of the recognised media (social media doesn't count) so the NRL's ability to do anything about that was zero. I'm not exonerating what he said. It was stupid. But now he is no different to you or me in the social sense. Do you think that the NRL should start punishing it's fans for being homophobic? Idealistic, but completely outside the NRL's jurisdiction and therefore unrealistic.