Attendances in Sydney

[NRLCrap1]

Dave, you have just admitted that the NRL venues in Sydney are shit and yet you won't advocate that they do anything about it!

[Raiderdave]

No, Raiderdave, stop comparing a full round of NRL to single matches including a prediction. The average for the opening round was not great and it should not be lauded. Yes, it was 115,000 in total - but for seven games that's an average of 16,000. That's only just above the season average for 2013. It should have been higher, particularly for the games at ANZ.

I disagree
when you closely examine the opening round you will see the schedule was the problem
firstly there were 7 games in the opening round all in Sydney
this rarely happens at anytime in the season let alone the opening round
plus
4 of these 7 Sydney games were played in tiny archaic dilapidated Suburban grounds
that barely hold 20K & none of these 4 featured all Sydney encounters
they were Sydney sides playing out of town sides on each occasion that don't bring a sole with them

the average at ANZ for its 3 games was not too bad at 22,000
but again it was heavily affected because we had games on Thursday & Friday nights
TV is going to have a say of course but

the NRL is to blame & deserve the criticism for a poorly thought out opening round.. with wrong venues , wrong days .. wrong times
but for fumblers to suggest this is an indicator of the NRL going backwards or Dave Smiths goals for our game already not achievable
is laughable :_<> :_<> :_<>

heres my Rnd 1 with exactly the same sides playing & some simple changes to the NRL's appalling effort

No Thursday
Friday Night Souths V Roosters ANZ 35,000
Friday Night Titans V Sharks Robina 12,500
Sat Afternoon 4pm Newcastle V Penrith at Hunter Stadium 18,000
Sat Night 6pm Melbourne V Manly 18,000 AAMI Park Melbourne
Sat Night 7.30pm Bulldogs V Brisbane ANZ 25,000
Sunday 4pm (NZ time) Warriors V Parramatta ..Eden Park 30,000
Sunday 3pm Dragons V Tigers ANZ 20,000
Monday 7pm Raiders V Cowboys Canb stad 12,500


that's 3 games in Sydney on Friday , Sat & Sunday
opening round crowds totalling 178,000
an average of 22,500 a game


I should be in control of the NRL draw
I'd kill it

Don't you think the NRL has think tanks on what night, time and location is best? After all an opening round is just that a chance to kick off the season in style - !

well obviously not dickhead :_<> :_<> :_<>
what moron thought 7 games in Sydney & 4 of them with out of town sides involved at small suburban venues ... would be a great way to start the season

how could it be ? >

with those sides playing at those venues on those days
the crowds were always going to be affected

my round one shows with a bit more thought .... how much better round one could have been with exactly the same sides playing
It also shows the NRL doesn't need to panic as things are just fine.
& our codes plans are still well on track .... our games Administrators just need to learn from last weekends mistakes which I have pointed out.


phewwww
All good

Well if they don't then we can expect more of the same :<>

well you might lose yr load at the prospect of them not learning wanker
but alas
they will
& our codes goal of a 20,000 average by the end of the 2017 season.. will be achieved

[Raiderdave]

Dave, you have just admitted that the NRL venues in Sydney are shit and yet you won't advocate that they do anything about it!

where did I say that gonad ?
I said the opening round of the NRL had too many games scheduled at smaller suburban venues in Sydney against out of town opposition.

I don't need to advocate they need to do something about it
they'd know they do already dipshit & they have a well thought out plan that involves everything from reciprocal members rights at the bigger venues
to investment in Stadium upgrades & free public transport to games at either Allianz of ANZ
its all sorted dickhead
so
don't lose sleep over it
K

[Cracker]

No, Raiderdave, stop comparing a full round of NRL to single matches including a prediction. The average for the opening round was not great and it should not be lauded. Yes, it was 115,000 in total - but for seven games that's an average of 16,000. That's only just above the season average for 2013. It should have been higher, particularly for the games at ANZ.

I disagree
when you closely examine the opening round you will see the schedule was the problem
firstly there were 7 games in the opening round all in Sydney
this rarely happens at anytime in the season let alone the opening round
plus
4 of these 7 Sydney games were played in tiny archaic dilapidated Suburban grounds
that barely hold 20K & none of these 4 featured all Sydney encounters
they were Sydney sides playing out of town sides on each occasion that don't bring a sole with them

the average at ANZ for its 3 games was not too bad at 22,000
but again it was heavily affected because we had games on Thursday & Friday nights
TV is going to have a say of course but

the NRL is to blame & deserve the criticism for a poorly thought out opening round.. with wrong venues , wrong days .. wrong times
but for fumblers to suggest this is an indicator of the NRL going backwards or Dave Smiths goals for our game already not achievable
is laughable :_<> :_<> :_<>

heres my Rnd 1 with exactly the same sides playing & some simple changes to the NRL's appalling effort

No Thursday
Friday Night Souths V Roosters ANZ 35,000
Friday Night Titans V Sharks Robina 12,500
Sat Afternoon 4pm Newcastle V Penrith at Hunter Stadium 18,000
Sat Night 6pm Melbourne V Manly 18,000 AAMI Park Melbourne
Sat Night 7.30pm Bulldogs V Brisbane ANZ 25,000
Sunday 4pm (NZ time) Warriors V Parramatta ..Eden Park 30,000
Sunday 3pm Dragons V Tigers ANZ 20,000
Monday 7pm Raiders V Cowboys Canb stad 12,500


that's 3 games in Sydney on Friday , Sat & Sunday
opening round crowds totalling 178,000
an average of 22,500 a game


I should be in control of the NRL draw
I'd kill it

Not quite. You allowed the A-League to stay at Allianz Stadium. If I'd been in charge of the draw, the Bunnies/Roosters game would have been played there, and if the A-League wanted to stop it fight them.

I do like the other suggestions, but eventually Sydney clubs will have to play their games at home. So in the end all you would be doing is shifting the deck chairs on the Manly Ferry. Also I don't think the Knights and the Panthers would have drawn 18,000. Probably about 15,000 more likely.

[Raiderdave]

No, Raiderdave, stop comparing a full round of NRL to single matches including a prediction. The average for the opening round was not great and it should not be lauded. Yes, it was 115,000 in total - but for seven games that's an average of 16,000. That's only just above the season average for 2013. It should have been higher, particularly for the games at ANZ.

I disagree
when you closely examine the opening round you will see the schedule was the problem
firstly there were 7 games in the opening round all in Sydney
this rarely happens at anytime in the season let alone the opening round
plus
4 of these 7 Sydney games were played in tiny archaic dilapidated Suburban grounds
that barely hold 20K & none of these 4 featured all Sydney encounters
they were Sydney sides playing out of town sides on each occasion that don't bring a sole with them

the average at ANZ for its 3 games was not too bad at 22,000
but again it was heavily affected because we had games on Thursday & Friday nights
TV is going to have a say of course but

the NRL is to blame & deserve the criticism for a poorly thought out opening round.. with wrong venues , wrong days .. wrong times
but for fumblers to suggest this is an indicator of the NRL going backwards or Dave Smiths goals for our game already not achievable
is laughable :_<> :_<> :_<>

heres my Rnd 1 with exactly the same sides playing & some simple changes to the NRL's appalling effort

No Thursday
Friday Night Souths V Roosters ANZ 35,000
Friday Night Titans V Sharks Robina 12,500
Sat Afternoon 4pm Newcastle V Penrith at Hunter Stadium 18,000
Sat Night 6pm Melbourne V Manly 18,000 AAMI Park Melbourne
Sat Night 7.30pm Bulldogs V Brisbane ANZ 25,000
Sunday 4pm (NZ time) Warriors V Parramatta ..Eden Park 30,000
Sunday 3pm Dragons V Tigers ANZ 20,000
Monday 7pm Raiders V Cowboys Canb stad 12,500


that's 3 games in Sydney on Friday , Sat & Sunday
opening round crowds totalling 178,000
an average of 22,500 a game


I should be in control of the NRL draw
I'd kill it

Not quite. You allowed the A-League to stay at Allianz Stadium. If I'd been in charge of the draw, the Bunnies/Roosters game would have been played there, and if the A-League wanted to stop it fight them.

I do like the other suggestions, but eventually Sydney clubs will have to play their games at home. So in the end all you would be doing is shifting the deck chairs on the Manly Ferry. Also I don't think the Knights and the Panthers would have drawn 18,000. Probably about 15,000 more likely.

I'm talking a realistic draw
theres no FTA on Saturday for the NRL .. & Ch 9 would have wanted at the very least a big rating all Sydney clash for Friday night in NSW
while fumblers carry on about Ch 9's influence
they paid the big $$$ & relinquished their first & last rights clause as well to have some say in who plays where & when
I hope they make some mileage out of this in these 5 years
because the next deal will have the NRL tell them ... here are the teams ... this is the night they'll play
now televise it !!


and yes
all Sydney sides have to play games at home eventually
we just don't need 7 of them in the one weekend opening our season .. with 4 playing out of town sides at small suburban grounds.
so no its not shifting anything
its just better planning needed

[Cracker]

It's nice thinking, Raiderdave, but working out actual draws make situations like last weekend hard to avoid. One has to fit in with no less than seven non Sydney teams. You can only freeze some out of Sydney so many times and this leads to a need for multiple games at suburban grounds. Better planning would not avoid this. It may improve it but ultimately not by much.

There is also the issue of West Tigers having two home grounds and Manly playing games in Gosford. There used to be a similar problem for St George Illawarra, but I believe Steeler's Stadium is no longer in the draw. In addition, it is common sense that the Broncos and the Titans do NOT play at home on the same weekend. This will be worse with the second Brisbane team.

[Raiderdave]

It's nice thinking, Raiderdave, but working out actual draws make situations like last weekend hard to avoid. One has to fit in with no less than seven non Sydney teams. You can only freeze some out of Sydney so many times and this leads to a need for multiple games at suburban grounds. Better planning would not avoid this. It may improve it but ultimately not by much.

There is also the issue of West Tigers having two home grounds and Manly playing games in Gosford. There used to be a similar problem for St George Illawarra, but I believe Steeler's Stadium is no longer in the draw. In addition, it is common sense that the Broncos and the Titans do NOT play at home on the same weekend. This will be worse with the second Brisbane team.

ah no
you almost never see 7 Sydney sides playing at home on the one weekend
& for the opening round
its unheard of
its not only quite possible to have no more then 4 games in Sydney each weekend.... its usually what happens
Like I said
someone dropped the ball with rnd 1 this year ... its a simple as that !!

the Tigers have 3 home grounds
4 at Leichardt ... 4 at Campbelltown ... 4 at ANZ
the Dragons the same .... they have 4 at Kogarah ... 4 at WIN in Wollongong & 4 at ANZ


& theres nothing wrong with the the Titans & Broncos playing on the same weekend > the only problem would be it would leave a vacant weekend free of NRL in SE Qld at some stages if they did
hence a need for a 2nd Brisbane side in 2018
they'll be NRL in Brisbane every weekend ... & every 2nd weekend there'll be 2 games in SE Qld
theres nearly 3 Million people in SE Qld ... plenty of fans for both sides ... soon to be 3 in 2018

[NRLCrap1]

Dave, you have just admitted that the NRL venues in Sydney are shit and yet you won't advocate that they do anything about it!

where did I say that gonad ?

You said "4 of these 7 Sydney games were played in tiny archaic dilapidated Suburban grounds"

So what are you going to do about it?

[Raiderdave]

Dave, you have just admitted that the NRL venues in Sydney are shit and yet you won't advocate that they do anything about it!

where did I say that gonad ?

You said "4 of these 7 Sydney games were played in tiny archaic dilapidated Suburban grounds"

So what are you going to do about it?

I don't think I have any say in it >
my surname isn't smith dickhead .. :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

but I like what I've read about what smith & the NRL are going to do about it

[NRLCrap1]

You should get together with other NRL fans and make your voices heard!

Or don't you have the guts?

[Cracker]

It's nice thinking, Raiderdave, but working out actual draws make situations like last weekend hard to avoid. One has to fit in with no less than seven non Sydney teams. You can only freeze some out of Sydney so many times and this leads to a need for multiple games at suburban grounds. Better planning would not avoid this. It may improve it but ultimately not by much.

There is also the issue of West Tigers having two home grounds and Manly playing games in Gosford. There used to be a similar problem for St George Illawarra, but I believe Steeler's Stadium is no longer in the draw. In addition, it is common sense that the Broncos and the Titans do NOT play at home on the same weekend. This will be worse with the second Brisbane team.

ah no
you almost never see 7 Sydney sides playing at home on the one weekend
& for the opening round
its unheard of
its not only quite possible to have no more then 4 games in Sydney each weekend.... its usually what happens
Like I said
someone dropped the ball with rnd 1 this year ... its a simple as that !!

the Tigers have 3 home grounds
4 at Leichardt ... 4 at Campbelltown ... 4 at ANZ
the Dragons the same .... they have 4 at Kogarah ... 4 at WIN in Wollongong & 4 at ANZ


& theres nothing wrong with the the Titans & Broncos playing on the same weekend > the only problem would be it would leave a vacant weekend free of NRL in SE Qld at some stages if they did
hence a need for a 2nd Brisbane side in 2018
they'll be NRL in Brisbane every weekend ... & every 2nd weekend there'll be 2 games in SE Qld
theres nearly 3 Million people in SE Qld ... plenty of fans for both sides ... soon to be 3 in 2018

I rather think there have been seven home games in Sydney per round more often than you think. It may be why the NRL split some rounds, along with State of Origin of course.

I remember reading that WIN Stadium was being shut down. I guess either I was incorrect, or it's happening after this season.

With the Broncos and the Titans, there is also the threat of taking crowds from each other when they do play the same weekend. This has a particular effect on the Titans. Not so much the Broncos, which is why there is room for a second Brisbane team as you say. There of course the two Brisbane teams can't play on the same weekend at home because they would have to share Suncorp. There are no other rugby league venues big enough in Brisbane.

[Raiderdave]

It's nice thinking, Raiderdave, but working out actual draws make situations like last weekend hard to avoid. One has to fit in with no less than seven non Sydney teams. You can only freeze some out of Sydney so many times and this leads to a need for multiple games at suburban grounds. Better planning would not avoid this. It may improve it but ultimately not by much.

There is also the issue of West Tigers having two home grounds and Manly playing games in Gosford. There used to be a similar problem for St George Illawarra, but I believe Steeler's Stadium is no longer in the draw. In addition, it is common sense that the Broncos and the Titans do NOT play at home on the same weekend. This will be worse with the second Brisbane team.

ah no
you almost never see 7 Sydney sides playing at home on the one weekend
& for the opening round
its unheard of
its not only quite possible to have no more then 4 games in Sydney each weekend.... its usually what happens
Like I said
someone dropped the ball with rnd 1 this year ... its a simple as that !!

the Tigers have 3 home grounds
4 at Leichardt ... 4 at Campbelltown ... 4 at ANZ
the Dragons the same .... they have 4 at Kogarah ... 4 at WIN in Wollongong & 4 at ANZ


& theres nothing wrong with the the Titans & Broncos playing on the same weekend > the only problem would be it would leave a vacant weekend free of NRL in SE Qld at some stages if they did
hence a need for a 2nd Brisbane side in 2018
they'll be NRL in Brisbane every weekend ... & every 2nd weekend there'll be 2 games in SE Qld
theres nearly 3 Million people in SE Qld ... plenty of fans for both sides ... soon to be 3 in 2018

I rather think there have been seven home games in Sydney per round more often than you think. It may be why the NRL split some rounds, along with State of Origin of course.

I remember reading that WIN Stadium was being shut down. I guess either I was incorrect, or it's happening after this season.

With the Broncos and the Titans, there is also the threat of taking crowds from each other when they do play the same weekend. This has a particular effect on the Titans. Not so much the Broncos, which is why there is room for a second Brisbane team as you say. There of course the two Brisbane teams can't play on the same weekend at home because they would have to share Suncorp. There are no other rugby league venues big enough in Brisbane.

nope
very rare to have 7 Sydney games in a single round
& unheard of to have 7 opening the season
big factor in poor crowds in rnd 1 2014 ... & quite frankly ... a mistake.

theres no Plans to close WIN stadium down , just a reduction from 6 to 4 of games played there
but its the same with Kogarah as well
6 to 4
the other 4 will be against the Dragons big Sydney opponents ... 3 at ANZ ( Tigers , Parra, Bulldogs) .. & 1 ( Souths ) .. at the SCG I read yesterday.

theres no evidence to date that the Titans took or take any fans away from the Broncos or vise visa
the Broncos average went up in 2007 when the Titans came in &
the average for both clubs remains the same when they play over consecutive weekends or the same weekend

the 2nd Brisbane side will play out of Suncorp ... but they'd almost always play on consecutive weekends I'd think
but the NRL will have no qualms scheduling the Titans on the same weekend as either of the Brisbane sides.

[Cracker]

Yes I read about the SCG game also.

I'm not disagreeing that playing a round with all 7 Sydney clubs at home to open the season was a mistake. I'm disagreeing that it's rare. I'm also not saying that it's common. It simply can't be avoided.

I must have misread the reduction in WIN Stadium games as a closure, or maybe a preparation for closure. Or the article I saw was about another place entirely.

My mention of the Titans situation draws logically only, from what the AFL do in the draw with GWS and the Swans. They never schedule the two at home on the same weekend, and they have two different venues. It is the same with the Suns and the Lions, which is even more relevant. If the NRL aren't doing it with the Broncos and the Titans then that is a mistake given that the Titans crowd average is behind that of the Suns even though it is close.

[AFLcrap1]

Yes I read about the SCG game also.

I'm not disagreeing that playing a round with all 7 Sydney clubs at home to open the season was a mistake. I'm disagreeing that it's rare. I'm also not saying that it's common. It simply can't be avoided.

I must have misread the reduction in WIN Stadium games as a closure, or maybe a preparation for closure. Or the article I saw was about another place entirely.

My mention of the Titans situation draws logically only, from what the AFL do in the draw with GWS and the Swans. They never schedule the two at home on the same weekend, and they have two different venues. It is the same with the Suns and the Lions, which is even more relevant. If the NRL aren't doing it with the Broncos and the Titans then that is a mistake given that the Titans crowd average is behind that of the Suns even though it is close.

Wrong..
The Tits had a bigger home average last yr.
You have been listening to too much AFL propaganda,

[Cracker]

I beg your pardon. The home and away season in it's entirity had the Suns in front. By about 3,000 if I remember which is not a large margin.