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[Swans4ever]

What does it matter anyway why do you get so upset? My son did Auskick for 4 yrs he progressed to club footy others didn't - if you actually knew what happens at Auskick you may not have a problem - Under the age of 8 kids are introduced to footy and half the session is training the other half is a scratch match at the end of the season they get awards and certificates. Pretty much what a regular club does but condensed - coaches need working with kids checks and to have coaching credentials. Lastly they pay for it so again WHAT does it matter - are you upset that kids you think shouldn't be exposed to AF or is it that your envious that RL doesn't have a similar program (must admit don't really know what RL does)?

[Cracker]

I'll leave aside the fact that this thread is about Queensland and not New South Wales. But my response to that is that it's not so much that it's bad. It masks the issue that I mentioned about the lack of flow on. That mask that I speak of is bad for the AFL, not the Auskick numbers themselves as such. One can't rely on a high figure that doesn't flow on. Your assumption is that I think step 1 is bad. It's not. It's step 2 that's bad.

But last we saw step 2 was still increasing, just not as quickly as the year before. I agree the report should state registered player numbers. Hoever a substantial increase in Auskick numbers is still a good thing IMO. Same as it would be if RL had a similar junior program exposing kids to RL in Victoria, and it was growing quickly. It opens peoples mind to another sport

I don't know what you've seen, but in my region Step 2 is in terrible shape. Which makes an increase at Step 1 next to useless if there's no flow on. You're getting them in but they aren't staying. Kids are like that. The Auskick program is too different to the real game. It's the same for the NRL trying to use touch as a flow on. It won't work because it's not the real thing. It's the real thing that has to be shown from the start, in it's proper form in my opinion.

[Xman]

I'll leave aside the fact that this thread is about Queensland and not New South Wales. But my response to that is that it's not so much that it's bad. It masks the issue that I mentioned about the lack of flow on. That mask that I speak of is bad for the AFL, not the Auskick numbers themselves as such. One can't rely on a high figure that doesn't flow on. Your assumption is that I think step 1 is bad. It's not. It's step 2 that's bad.

But last we saw step 2 was still increasing, just not as quickly as the year before. I agree the report should state registered player numbers. Hoever a substantial increase in Auskick numbers is still a good thing IMO. Same as it would be if RL had a similar junior program exposing kids to RL in Victoria, and it was growing quickly. It opens peoples mind to another sport

I don't know what you've seen, but in my region Step 2 is in terrible shape. Which makes an increase at Step 1 next to useless if there's no flow on. You're getting them in but they aren't staying. Kids are like that. The Auskick program is too different to the real game. It's the same for the NRL trying to use touch as a flow on. It won't work because it's not the real thing. It's the real thing that has to be shown from the start, in it's proper form in my opinion.

Define "terrible shape". Of course they will never be close to RL or soccer, But you cant deny the AFL is far far stronger in QLD and NSW than RL in AFL states.

[Cracker]

Auskick numbers high.
Next level that being the lowets available level of football nowhere near the Auskick numbers.

I call that terrible shape.

However I do agree to an extent that the AFL is doing better in the rugby states than the other way around. But then again it's like comparing 1 to 4 in percentage terms.

[Xman]

Auskick numbers high.
Next level that being the lowets available level of football nowhere near the Auskick numbers.

I call that terrible shape.

However I do agree to an extent that the AFL is doing better in the rugby states than the other way around. But then again it's like comparing 1 to 4 in percentage terms.

Well thats a ludicrous definition. Auskick gives the kids an opportunity to experience a sport that is NOT a traditional homeland sport. Even if 5% progress on to club sport its still a great result. Not to mention the fact that some who dont may still have enough interest to become fans.

Also, it isnt 1% to 4%. There a many many current AFL players who were recruited from NSW and QLD. How many NRL players are home grown from AFL states? Few if any I'd suggest

[Swans4ever]

I'll leave aside the fact that this thread is about Queensland and not New South Wales. But my response to that is that it's not so much that it's bad. It masks the issue that I mentioned about the lack of flow on. That mask that I speak of is bad for the AFL, not the Auskick numbers themselves as such. One can't rely on a high figure that doesn't flow on. Your assumption is that I think step 1 is bad. It's not. It's step 2 that's bad.

But last we saw step 2 was still increasing, just not as quickly as the year before. I agree the report should state registered player numbers. Hoever a substantial increase in Auskick numbers is still a good thing IMO. Same as it would be if RL had a similar junior program exposing kids to RL in Victoria, and it was growing quickly. It opens peoples mind to another sport

I don't know what you've seen, but in my region Step 2 is in terrible shape. Which makes an increase at Step 1 next to useless if there's no flow on. You're getting them in but they aren't staying. Kids are like that. The Auskick program is too different to the real game. It's the same for the NRL trying to use touch as a flow on. It won't work because it's not the real thing. It's the real thing that has to be shown from the start, in it's proper form in my opinion.

Define "terrible shape". Of course they will never be close to RL or soccer, But you cant deny the AFL is far far stronger in QLD and NSW than RL in AFL states.

Cracker out of interest do you have kids and have they gone to Auskick? What region are you talking about?
Can't speak for everywhere of course but I think the Lawson report ID that a lot of centres aren't linked to clubs - My son in his last year played for a club and still did Auskick until he felt he didn't need to anymore - IMO Auskick centres should be linked to clubs so there is a natural procession - however as AF is the 4th sport there still aren't enough clubs to link too. Your area may be one of these.

[Cracker]

I would prefer not the name the region for reasons of privacy as it's where I live now, but I do have kids and they are too young at present for Auskick. However I have seen the local situation and it's not good even with club connections. This is in Victoria incidentally. So if it's in trouble in Victoria, and in the Riverina from what I'm told, how could it be any better in other parts of New South Wales? Especially as the club connections are not there, and I would call that a very serious problem in game development.

Xman when I said 1 to 4 I was saying 1% to 4% when I said percentage terms. I meant there are four AFL clubs in New South Wales and Queensland for every single rugby league club outside of those states. Work the percentages out from there.

[Xman]

I would prefer not the name the region for reasons of privacy as it's where I live now, but I do have kids and they are too young at present for Auskick. However I have seen the local situation and it's not good even with club connections. This is in Victoria incidentally. So if it's in trouble in Victoria, and in the Riverina from what I'm told, how could it be any better in other parts of New South Wales? Especially as the club connections are not there, and I would call that a very serious problem in game development.

Xman when I said 1 to 4 I was saying 1% to 4% when I said percentage terms. I meant there are four AFL clubs in New South Wales and Queensland for every single rugby league club outside of those states. Work the percentages out from there.

Your comments about comparing Aussie rules clubs in RL heartland to RL clubs in AFL heartland isnt reality.

AFL recruits from NSW and QLD are a reality every year and is testament to a mature established ground roots competition level. The same cannot be said for RL in AFL states where RL recruits are almost undead of.

[Cracker]

I'm not denying recruitment exists in the manner you describe, Xman. I just think you are overestimating the grass roots contribution in New South Wales (outside of the Riverina) and Queensland. The Rams for instance will have a big say in New South Wales recruitment. I'm not sure how it works in Queensland, but there is certain to be something similar. The Teal Cup is also a tremendous guide. Rugby league in Victoria doesn't have that. As I said on another thread, if I get links to show these extra leagues in New South Wales I may have to revise that 1 to 4 figure.

But you are going to another part of the program entirely from Auskick. They are years apart, and in childhood that's a massive jump.

[Swans4ever]

I would prefer not the name the region for reasons of privacy as it's where I live now, but I do have kids and they are too young at present for Auskick. However I have seen the local situation and it's not good even with club connections. This is in Victoria incidentally. So if it's in trouble in Victoria, and in the Riverina from what I'm told, how could it be any better in other parts of New South Wales? Especially as the club connections are not there, and I would call that a very serious problem in game development.

Xman when I said 1 to 4 I was saying 1% to 4% when I said percentage terms. I meant there are four AFL clubs in New South Wales and Queensland for every single rugby league club outside of those states. Work the percentages out from there.

You want to PM the region I can most probably help with connections

[Cracker]

No, thank you. I already know the layout.

[cos789]

Why dispute these facts when you cannot address NZ??????????
You're running away from your disputation.
Crackpot, stop hiding and just answer the question by yourself.

[Dogs]

I would prefer not the name the region for reasons of privacy as it's where I live now, but I do have kids and they are too young at present for Auskick. However I have seen the local situation and it's not good even with club connections. This is in Victoria incidentally. So if it's in trouble in Victoria, and in the Riverina from what I'm told, how could it be any better in other parts of New South Wales? Especially as the club connections are not there, and I would call that a very serious problem in game development.

Xman when I said 1 to 4 I was saying 1% to 4% when I said percentage terms. I meant there are four AFL clubs in New South Wales and Queensland for every single rugby league club outside of those states. Work the percentages out from there.

I can tell you that I am in Brissy and my young bloke did Auskick for a school term and wasn't that interested. He enjoyed it that much that he played soccer that year. Now to Cracker point, should he be included in AFL number or soccer, for that year I would say soccer.

The only reason it came to the school for a couple of terms, was because the head master is originally from Vic and tries to push it on everyone. Like most (not all) people who follow AFL in Brisbane, they are generally from Victoria or live there for a period of time and got into it whilst they were down there. My experience is those that originate from Vic move up here and then try to jam it down your throat like there is no other sport in the world. They don't get that we are generally not interested. They don't get off your back until you attend a game. Now he is a Lions fan, driving round with the lions number plates load and proud. Good on him, but it is so off putting trying to have a conversation about sport as he can't talk anything but AFL.

As much as he is trying to ram in down the kids throat, I am not seeing any shift in kids going to AFL because they did Auskick. I believe it is a good marketing thing for AFL, but I am not sure it is translating to growth in the sport.

In Qld/NSW people like all sports, my young bloke has had a go at Auskick, ozTag, soccer, he is a great swimmer and has now settle on RL and swimming. Maybe the AFL lovers out there should try some other things with their kids. And stop trying to ram yah shitty sport down our throats.

[Cracker]

I do agree that ramming a sport down one's throat is rather rude. It never happened with me, and I would like to think that it's why I enjoy both rugby league and Aussie Rules. I've played both in my younger years, but work now prevents me from carrying on with it. I was never great at either game. It was interesting that when my league club in Albury heard that I'd played Aussie Rules they wanted me to be the go to man for conversions. But it's not the same kicking style. I was better off the kick upon the final tackle.

[cos789]

In Qld/NSW people like all sports

Another totally dumb statement.
The only people I've heard say that they "hate" another sport are rl people
(who obviously must come from Qld or NSW)