Numbers don't add up for nRL

[Raiderdave]

Volatile?? What planet were you born on??

Here's a question for you, newbie. How well do you think the NRL would go without it's rep program?

any sport that has nothing but the same domestic comp to offer in a small market like Australia
would have no opportunities for expansions & will wither & die

international competition
state competition
domestic competition

almost every sport on the planet has at least 2 of the above

while RL has all 3 ..... the failing fumbles n bumbles has ................. just 1 !!

[pussycat]

[quote="Swans4ever]

by the way the next AFL TV rights is being forecast at 1.6 Billion obviously your insights have very little credence!

Are these the same ' economic geniuses' that were predicting the NRL wouldn't get 800k?

[AFLcrap1]

AFL has invested its money in expansion and media, the nRL keeps it in a piggy bank and beats its chest, proclaiming to the nation "look at how much money we didn't invest in growth!"

The AFL has invested... your right about that, but i wouldnt call some of those good investments (specially GWS). the giants will hemerage money out of the AFL for decades and for very little gain, all i can see from them in the future is only marginally better than where they are currently(and im talking about off the field not on it). during negoiations for the next TV deal, the giants will also be a negative stain on the AFL's credentials, i see that they will more likely lower the final price than increase it, thus further hemerageing from AFL pockets.

The NRL could of started a new franchiese in perth for the begining of the current tv deal and it would defineatly have boosted their price as GWS did for the AFL. when Gallop was CEO there were plans to do this, but when David smith took over as CEO he pushed it back. what i can say is Dave is doing a great job and i trust that his cautious and professional approach in regards to expansion is the right way and it should be commanded(Vlad perhaps should take a leaf out of his book too). The NRL pushed back expansion to WA probably because they wernt satisfied that there was enough community and corporate interest in the area. The NRL does not want to just rush the new franchiese in (like other codes have of recent coff coff).

Ignoring those just negates any extra money that would be made from the TV deal (with more teams admitted), as the extra funds as well as other money is wasted trying to keep the fledgling francheise afloat. (sounds alot like GWS doesnt it).

Now it appears to me that the major factor for the AFL with its latest expansion was solely to make the AFL worth more in TV deal negioations, but with no real look into if there was an actual demand for these teams. The problem with this is that without the adequate community and Corporate interest in these clubs expansion will only bring an inital financial benefit. inadequate demand for the francheises over the long term means that alot more money will need to be spent on these clubs than if there was adequate demand when founded.

GWS easily falls into this category. the club was founded for the areas population and more tv $$ but without the thought there was virtually no demand for them and miniscule community interest(no where near enough).

I dont know why your trying to rip on the NRL and Dave Smith on their cautious approach on expansion, maybe its because its upsetting seeing them do it right.

And you say AFL followers are in denial about their CEO - wasn't Gallop at the helm when the NRL TV rights deal was negotiated - what his signature on a contract that was agreed to by his predecessor is a mark of greatness - oh dear - 200 mil invested in the code in 5 years is 40 mil a year - if RD is correct (which he isn't ) the AFL has invested 500 000 000 since 1982 which is about 150 mil a year! Again you NRL posters on here accuse us of lying yet you say things like you do - by the way the next AFL TV rights is being forecast at 1.6 Billion obviously your insights have very little credence! PS good to see the NRL finally making money!

No he was a figurehead.
John Grant froze him out of negotiations..
Yes he started it but when the IC took over Gallop had nothing to do with the deal.

[Xman]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 6837559725

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

I love that this isn't opinion. It's basic mathematics. David Smith, what were you thinking?

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Classic delusions of grandeur

[Xman]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 6837559725

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

I love that this isn't opinion. It's basic mathematics. David Smith, what were you thinking?

Sorry .
This article is Null & void according to Google university whizz TLPG.

Anything found on the net especially news articles is all bullshit.

what a lame response to a factual article

[AFLcrap1]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 6837559725

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

I love that this isn't opinion. It's basic mathematics. David Smith, what were you thinking?

Sorry .
This article is Null & void according to Google university whizz TLPG.

Anything found on the net especially news articles is all bullshit.

what a lame response to a factual article

Your ever so wise TLPG Google UNI man has claimed that anything you find o a search engine (Google or otherwise) is no good...Bullshit..

Me thinks that he really means anything that is not glowing or paints AFL in a bad light is Bull..
Anything good is gospel..

[Xman]

How about addressing the articles points, and how Smith's comments were shown to be moronic

[Cracker]

Volatile?? What planet were you born on??

Here's a question for you, newbie. How well do you think the NRL would go without it's rep program?

It would go very poorly, which is why we have expanded to multiple countries at a high level. Whilst he was rude about it, Raiderdave is correct. You need a susbstantive overseas presence and the AFL doesn't have that. Sure, there has been interest from Ireland and you have that Sudanese boy at North Melbourne. And you may have some ancestral lines to claim also, but the NRL can claim that too.

The AFL can go no further than it's borders. The NRL is already in New Zealand and will soon have a senior team from Papua New Guinea I'm sure, just as long as the local economy can be focused enough on it.

[NRLCrap1]

69 countries outside of Australia are playing AFL, goose, so don't give me this can't expand bullshit!! That goes for you as well, Dave!

[Swans4ever]

[quote="Swans4ever]

by the way the next AFL TV rights is being forecast at 1.6 Billion obviously your insights have very little credence!

Are these the same ' economic geniuses' that were predicting the NRL wouldn't get 800k?

[/quote]

Oh I see - if it's AFL it's BS - we'll AFL got 1.25 Billion for its rights 12 months before the NRL deal which was 250 mil more than the NRL deal but by all means don't take my word for it

A leading media analyst predicts the next AFL broadcast rights contract will be worth up to $1.6 billion, as the league moved to beef up its intricate knowledge of the media by appointing former News Corp chief Kim Williams to its board.

http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/the ... 32wex.html

[Raiderdave]

69 countries outside of Australia are playing AFL, goose, so don't give me this can't expand bullshit!! That goes for you as well, Dave!

says Wikiderpia :_<> :_<> :_<>

the truth

theres 2 outside of Australia

& one of them is a giant bird turd in the pacific
Naru

[Raiderdave]

[quote="Swans4ever]

by the way the next AFL TV rights is being forecast at 1.6 Billion obviously your insights have very little credence!

Are these the same ' economic geniuses' that were predicting the NRL wouldn't get 800k?

Oh I see - if it's AFL it's BS - we'll AFL got 1.25 Billion for its rights which was 250 mil more than the NRL deal



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the NRL deal was 1.3 Billion cockhead
jees

your time back repeating Yr 10 was a complete waste of time
was yr son embarrassed sitting beside you in class ?

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[Swans4ever]

[quote="Swans4ever]

by the way the next AFL TV rights is being forecast at 1.6 Billion obviously your insights have very little credence!

Are these the same ' economic geniuses' that were predicting the NRL wouldn't get 800k?

Oh I see - if it's AFL it's BS - we'll AFL got 1.25 Billion for its rights which was 250 mil more than the NRL deal

[/quote][/quote]

the NRL deal was 1.3 Billion cockhead
jees

your time back repeating Yr 10 was a complete waste of time
was yr son embarrassed sitting beside you in class ?

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Ok then the news was wrong
ARLC chairman John Grant announced to the media the five-year deal with Nine and Fox Sports is worth $1.025 billion, comprising $925 million in cash and a further $100m in advertising.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-2 ... al/4212336

Says 1.025 that's 250 approx less, maybe maths isn't your strong point - now show us how special you are call me a cock head and suggest I need to go back to school - that's what you usually say when your presented with facts! Obviously very poor self esteem that he needs to feel superior on an anonymous internet site. Very funny haha!

[NRLCrap1]

69 countries outside of Australia are playing AFL, goose, so don't give me this can't expand bullshit!! That goes for you as well, Dave!

says Wikiderpia :_<> :_<> :_<>

the truth

theres 2 outside of Australia

& one of them is a giant bird turd in the pacific
Naru

69 goose, and you can't prove otherwise!

[Cracker]

You haven't provided anything to back this claim up.