the VFL imploding financially

[AFLcrap1]

Can one of the RL guys repost my RL clubs.
Cwapper keeps blocking me everytime I make him look stupid .
I will be blocked til the yr 2999 if he keeps posting rot.

NEEDED TO BE SAID

[ParraEelsNRL]

doesnt matter if a website says ''is brimming with AFL activity'' the FACT is in South east queensland AFLs best scenario is 3rd most popular football code. Rugby League, rugby union easily sit above. i would even say soccer sits 3rd above AFL but others say AFL is 3rd thats why im telling you
AFL IS AT BEST THE 3RD MOST POPULAR CODE IN SE QUEENSLAND. now can you tell me again about this 'brimming' and how it by somehow makes my statement false??

Here's how! Beat this number of local clubs!

NORTH EAST AFL Northern Conference
Aspley 16.13 drew Gold Coast 17.7, Brisbane 19.19 d Redland 8.7, Morningside 19.14 d Northern Territory 9.15, Broadbeach 12.8 d Labrador 10.12, Southport & Mount Gravatt - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 1
Burleigh 12.8 wdb Western Magpies 24.17, Noosa 9.8 wdb Springwood 15.13, Palm Beach/Currumbin 18.17 d Sandgate 8.7, Surfers Paradise 21.9 d Coolangatta 11.6, University 4.5 wdb Mayne 22.20, Wilston Grange 9.16 wdb Maroochydore 11.17

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 2
Alexandra Hills 24.18 d Wynnum 3.3, Kedron 22.19 d Caboolture 5.4, Kenmore 9.7 wdb Caloundra 16.13, Nambour 11.11 wdb Yeronga/South Brisbane 18.12, Redcliffe 9.4 wdb Coorparoo 16.14, Robina 19.20 d Aspley 12.8

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 3
Beenleigh 17.18 d Ipswich 6.3, Carrara 19.20 d University 9.7, Logan City 15.7 d Griffith Uni/Moorooka 4.3, Pine Rivers 28.13 d Calamvale 4.7, Coomera - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 South
Robina 10.5 wdb Lismore 14.15, Ballina 15.12 d Bond Uni 5.7, Byron Bay 23.17 d Burleigh 3.2, Tweed Coast - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 Central
Collingwood Park 8.10 d Kenmore 5.6, Woodsmen 20.19 d Kedron 3.1, Yeronga/South Brisbane 4.3 wdb Zillmere 16.13, Jimboomba d University by forfeit

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 North
Gympie 7.9 wdb Maroochydore 12.8, Pomona 27.17 d Glasshouse 1.1, Bribie Island 40.17 d Noosa 3.0

Yeah some are NSW and NT are there, but count them up - and then show me the same numbers at local rugby in both codes! These are open age by the way because I can't be bothered looking up juniors for now.

(Apologies to TLPG for copying part of two pages on his site but it was the easiest to access)

Albany Creek Crushers JRLFC Inc. Chris Pilat 0411 383 824 South Pine Sports Centre BRENDALE
Aspley RLFC Inc. Simon Scanlan 0467 491 728 Harry Kirby Park ASPLEY
Banyo RLC Inc. Craig Molyneux 0406 967 097 Bora Ring NUDGEE
Bayside Warriors RLFC Inc. Rick Ward 0423 866 240 Ken Hayward Oval DECEPTION BAY
Beenleigh JRLFC Inc. Julie Mccarthy 0414 453 486 Hammel Park BEENLEIGH
Beenleigh Multi Sports Assoc Inc. Rick Adamson 07 3287 4804 Bill Norrie Oval BEENLEIGH
Bracken Ridge Sports Assoc Inc. Chris White 0439 388 202 Les Hughes Sports Complex BRAY PARK
Brighton Roosters JRLC Inc. Debbie Sanders 0419 796 885 Jim Lawrie Field BRIGHTON
Brisbane Natives Sports Indigenous
Corp. Renee Kyle 0450 233 364 Norths St Josephs VIRGINIA
Brothers JRLFC Inc. Graham Brennan 0411 029 202 Gibson Park STAFFORD
Brothers St. Brendans RLFC Inc. Trish Dempsey 0437 086 503 Kookaburra Park ROCKLEA
Browns Plains RLFC Inc. Beverley Welch 0450 478 013 Grosvenor Park BROWNS PLAINS
Bulimba Valleys RLFC Inc. David Ford 0403 312 459 Balmoral Recreation
Grounds BULIMBA
Burpengary JRLFC Inc. Julie Sutton 0411 760 455 Burpengary Sports Ground BURPENGARY
Cannon Hill Stars RLC Inc. Nicole Dagan 0459 372 927 Bill Cash Memorial Park CANNON HILL
Capalaba DJRLFC Inc. Toni Wilkinson 0404 069 427 John Fredericks Park CAPALABA
Carina JRLFC Inc. Robert Brown 0404 932 560 Leo Williams Oval CARINA
Christian Lions RLFC Inc. Peter Ridsdale 0404 344 540 QUT Carseldine Campus CARSELDINE
Dayboro & Districts JRL Sports Club
Inc. Debbie Sellin 0407 123 224 Dayboro & Districts JRL
Sports Club DAYBORO
Deception Bay RLFC Inc. Steven Seagrott 0418 157 246 Doug Ross Oval DECEPTION BAY
Eastern Suburbs DRLFC Inc. Greg Macdonald 0419 735 231 WJ Scott Park HOLLAND PARK
Easts Mt. Gravatt JRLFC Inc. Sheena Dey 0407 595 810 Allan Innes Field MANSFIELD
Edens Landing RLFC Inc. Donna Gallagher 0459 949 591 Leighton Fields EDENS LANDING
Ferny Grove RL Sporting Assoc Inc. Mark Morrison 0401 675 246 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON
Fortitude Valley RLFC - Jnr Div Inc. Joanne Clarke 0434 484 020 Emerson Park GRANGE

Greenbank RLFC Home of the
Raiders Inc. Becky Battelley 0437 729 640 Greenbank Sport &
Recreation Club GREENBANK
Logan Brothers RLC Inc. Tanya McGregor 0424 619 379 Civic Park LOGAN CENTRAL
Logan Wanderers RLC Inc. Joanne De La Cruz 0431 619 236 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Mustangs Brothers RLFC Inc. Tracey Molloy 0411 950 154 Mustangs Oval CHAMBERS FLAT
Normanby RLFC Inc. Tony Casey 0403 326 469 Purtell Park BARDON
North Stradbroke Island RLFC Inc. Julie Brown 0438 778 242 Ron Stark Oval DUNWICH
Northern Suburbs JRLFC Inc. Peter Fraser 0407 156 440 Bishop Park NUNDAH
Norths St. Josephs JRLC Inc. David Molloy 0400 004 959 Warburton Park VIRGINIA
Pine Central Holy Spirit RLFC Inc. Wendy Holbert 0414 880 249 Les Hugh Sporting Complex BRAY PARK
Pine Rivers JLC Inc. Michelle McCullagh 0408 076 009 Mathieson Oval PETRIE
Redlands District RLC Inc. Richard Conway 0419 774 124 Pinklands Sports Grounds THORNLANDS
Rochedale Tigers RLFC Inc. Gabriela La Budde 0419 703 060 Underwood Park ROCHEDALE SOUTH
Samford & District RLFC Tim Woodland 0433 339 533 Cash Oval SAMFORD
Sandgate Brighton Gaters RLFC
Inc. Leny Hoeksema 0417 193 010 Brighton Roosters JRLFC BRIGHTON
Slacks Creek RLFC Inc. Frieda Hendy 0422 122 866 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Southern Suburbs RLFC Junior Div.
Ltd. Jane Villetri 0412 446 487 Brandon Park ACACIA RIDGE
Souths Graceville RLC Inc. Robert Reid 0419 651 326 Bert St Clair Oval GRACEVILLE
Souths Sunnybank RLFC Inc. Paul Gilbert 0416 820 038 Jim Murdoch Oval SUNNYBANK
Waterford RLFC Inc. Mick Sparey 0412 677 131 Noffke Park MEADOWBROOK
West Arana Hills RLFC Inc. Belinda McKelvie 0406 600 470 Kev McKell Oval KEPERRA
Wests Centenary JRLFC Inc. Darryn Klein 0447 761 758 P J McIlwain Oval WACOL
Wests Inala FC Inc. Marie Manser 0401 050 135 CJ Greenfield Sporting
Complex INALA
Wests Mitchelton RLFC Inc. Theresa Seath 0402 012 292 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON
Wynnum-Manly JRLFC Ltd. Leith Woolley 0400 706 137 Kitchener Park WYNNUM

Burleigh Heads RLFC Inc. Damian Driscoll 0422 663 224 Pizzey Park MIAMI
Cudgen Leagues Club Ltd. Graeme Lawrence 0439 510 014 3 Wommin Bay Road KINGSCLIFF
Currumbin Eagles JRLFC Inc. Jenny Peck 0432 578 341 Merv Craig Sporting
Complex CURRUMBIN WATERS
Gold Coast/Bilambil Jets RLFC Inc Peter Rigney 0407 580 708 Bilambil East Sports Field BILAMBIL
Ormeau RLFC Inc. Karen Carey 0416 485 768 Brian Harris Oval ORMEAU
South Tweed Senior RLC Inc Michele Hallard 0412 035 882 Cnr Fraser & Leisure Drive TWEED HEADS STH
Southport Tigers Seniors RLFC Ltd. Tom Orr 0414 180 483 Owen Park SOUTHPORT
The Runaway Bay Senior RLFC Inc. Glenn Lee 0488 605 108 Kevin Bycroft Oval RUNAWAY BAY
Tugun RLFC Inc. Karen Denny 0416 019 777 Betty Diamond Sports Complex TUGUN
Tweed Coast Raiders Senior RLC
Inc. Bob McDowell 0412 216 766 Les Burger Field BOGANGAR
Beaudesert & District JRLFC Inc. Shelly Currie 0447 755 866 Willis Park BEAUDESERT
Parkwood Sharks RLC Inc. Christine Sowter 0405 484 480 Parkwood Football Stadium LABRADOR
Robina Raptors JRLFC Inc Shaun Kelly 0438 199 047 Station Reserve ROBINA
Jimboomba JRLFC Inc. Matthew Neville 0414 271 872 Jimboomba Park JIMBOOMBA
Mudgeeraba JRLFC Inc. Matt Kenworthy 0401 638 112 Firth Park MUDGEERABA
Nerang JRLFC Inc. Vicki Hardin 0412 196 915 Glennon Park NERANG

CLUB CONTACT PHONE VENUE SUBURB
Edens Landing RLFC Inc. Donna Gallagher 0459 463 938 Leighton Fields EDENS LANDING
Forest Lake JRLFC Inc. Farren Dicker 0419 131 896 Warren Ritchie Sporting
Complex ELLEN GROVE
Fortitude Valley RLFC - Jnr Div Inc. Glen Delhaas 0466 811 932 Emerson Park GRANGE
Greenbank RLFC Home of the
Raiders Inc. Becky Battelley 0437 729 640 Greenbank Sports &
Recreation Club GREENBANK
Logan Brothers RLC Inc. Tanya McGregor 0404 459 898 Civic Park LOGAN CENTRAL
Mustangs Brothers RLFC Inc. Tracey Molloy 0411 950 154 Mustangs Oval CHAMBERS FLAT
Narangba Rangers RLFC Inc. Vicki Appleton 07 3203 7333 Narangba Sports Reserve NARANGBA
North Stradbroke Island RLFC Inc. Julie Brown 0438 778 242 Ron Stark Oval DUNWICH
Northern Suburbs Jnr Minor RLFC
Inc. Peter Fraser 0407 156 440 Bishop Park NUNDAH
Norths St. Josephs JRLC Inc. David Molloy 0400 004 959 Warburton Park VIRGINIA
Pine Central Holy Spirit RLFC Inc. John Bedford 408765093 Les Hughes Sporting
Complex BRAY PARK
Pine Rivers JLC Inc. Michelle McCullagh 0408 076 009 Mathieson Oval PETRIE
Redlands JRLC Inc. Tracey Shelton 0411 088 538 Pinklands Sports Ground THORNLANDS
Rochedale Tigers RLFC Inc. Gabriela La Budde 0419 703 060 Underwood Park ROCHEDALE SOUTH
Samford & District RLFC Inc. Timothy Woodland 0433 339 533 Alan Cash Oval SAMFORD
Slacks Creek RLFC Inc. Frieda Hendy 0422 122 866 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Southern Suburbs RLFC - Jnr Div
Ltd. Phil Villetri 0408 732 651 Brandon Park ACACIA RIDGE
Souths Graceville RLC Inc. Bob Reid 0419 651 326 Bert St Clair Oval GRACEVILLE
Souths Sunnybank RLFC Inc. Paul Gilbert 0416 820 038 Jim Murdoch Oval SUNNYBANK
The Redcliffe District RLFC Inc. Kirsty Fields 07 3203 7333 Dolphin Oval REDCLIFFE
Waterford RLFC Inc. Mick Sparey 0412 677 131 Noffke Park MEADOWBROOK
West Arana Hills RLFC Inc. Belinda McKelvie 0406 600 470 Kev McKell Oval KEPERRA
West Inala Football Club Inc Marie Manser 0401 050 135 CJ Greenfield Complex INALA
Wests (Brisbane) JRLFC Inc. Michael Brice 0422 815 736 Purtell Park BARDON
Wests Centenary JRLFC Inc. Darryn Klein 0420 501 374 P J McIlwain Place WACOL


Brisbane Valley JRLFC Inc. Danny Tango 0413 181 244 Redbank Street ESK
Brothers JRLFC Ipswich Inc. Benjamin McAteer 0407 159 280 Wildey Street RACEVIEW
Fassifern JRLFC Inc. Mahala Kirchner 0408 703 369 Hayes Oval HARRISVILLE
Goodna & Districts RLFC Inc. Jenny Stewart 0417 799 017 Richardson Park GOODNA
Karalee Twin Rivers JRL Inc. Amy Huckel 0413 556 815 Blue Gum Reserve KARALEE
Laidley JRLC Inc. Jim Lacey 0438 664 372 Whites Road LAIDLEY
Lowood Tarampa DJRLFC Inc. Kathy Maslen 0417 723 775 Lindemans Road LOWOOD
Northern Suburbs Junior Minor RLC
Ipswich Inc. Norm Scanlan 0437 442 542 Pelican Street NORTH IPSWICH
Redbank Plains JRLFC Inc. Jodie Elder 0403 264 236 Redbank Plains
Recreational Reserve REDBANK PLAINS
Rosewood JRLFC Inc. Tanya Poncho 0448 158 773 Anzac Park ROSEWOOD
Springfield JRLFC Inc. Adam McDonald 0400 148 078 Rob Gibbs Oval SPRINGFIELD
Swifts RLFC Inc. Terri-Leanne Squire 0410 649 330 40-64 Ipswich Boonah Road PURGA
West End JRLFC John Ward 0419 759 499 West End Rugby Leagues
Club BASIN POCKET



& that's not including the Darling Downs or Sunshine coast,Or even the NT.

Cwapper your master led you astray ..
Don't sit on his lap for a week as punishment


Yip yip .
Needed to be said.

Wow, impressive.

Gee, must be a lot of vfl clubs up there seeing as it's their heartland

[NRLCrap1]

doesnt matter if a website says ''is brimming with AFL activity'' the FACT is in South east queensland AFLs best scenario is 3rd most popular football code. Rugby League, rugby union easily sit above. i would even say soccer sits 3rd above AFL but others say AFL is 3rd thats why im telling you
AFL IS AT BEST THE 3RD MOST POPULAR CODE IN SE QUEENSLAND. now can you tell me again about this 'brimming' and how it by somehow makes my statement false??

Here's how! Beat this number of local clubs!

NORTH EAST AFL Northern Conference
Aspley 16.13 drew Gold Coast 17.7, Brisbane 19.19 d Redland 8.7, Morningside 19.14 d Northern Territory 9.15, Broadbeach 12.8 d Labrador 10.12, Southport & Mount Gravatt - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 1
Burleigh 12.8 wdb Western Magpies 24.17, Noosa 9.8 wdb Springwood 15.13, Palm Beach/Currumbin 18.17 d Sandgate 8.7, Surfers Paradise 21.9 d Coolangatta 11.6, University 4.5 wdb Mayne 22.20, Wilston Grange 9.16 wdb Maroochydore 11.17

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 2
Alexandra Hills 24.18 d Wynnum 3.3, Kedron 22.19 d Caboolture 5.4, Kenmore 9.7 wdb Caloundra 16.13, Nambour 11.11 wdb Yeronga/South Brisbane 18.12, Redcliffe 9.4 wdb Coorparoo 16.14, Robina 19.20 d Aspley 12.8

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 3
Beenleigh 17.18 d Ipswich 6.3, Carrara 19.20 d University 9.7, Logan City 15.7 d Griffith Uni/Moorooka 4.3, Pine Rivers 28.13 d Calamvale 4.7, Coomera - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 South
Robina 10.5 wdb Lismore 14.15, Ballina 15.12 d Bond Uni 5.7, Byron Bay 23.17 d Burleigh 3.2, Tweed Coast - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 Central
Collingwood Park 8.10 d Kenmore 5.6, Woodsmen 20.19 d Kedron 3.1, Yeronga/South Brisbane 4.3 wdb Zillmere 16.13, Jimboomba d University by forfeit

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 North
Gympie 7.9 wdb Maroochydore 12.8, Pomona 27.17 d Glasshouse 1.1, Bribie Island 40.17 d Noosa 3.0

Yeah some are NSW and NT are there, but count them up - and then show me the same numbers at local rugby in both codes! These are open age by the way because I can't be bothered looking up juniors for now.

(Apologies to TLPG for copying part of two pages on his site but it was the easiest to access)

Aspley RLFC Inc. Simon Scanlan 0467 491 728 Harry Kirby Park ASPLEY
Banyo RLC Inc. Craig Molyneux 0406 967 097 Bora Ring NUDGEE
Bayside Warriors RLFC Inc. Rick Ward 0423 866 240 Ken Hayward Oval DECEPTION BAY
Beenleigh Multi Sports Assoc Inc. Rick Adamson 07 3287 4804 Bill Norrie Oval BEENLEIGH
Bracken Ridge Sports Assoc Inc. Chris White 0439 388 202 Les Hughes Sports Complex BRAY PARK
Brighton Roosters JRLC Inc. Debbie Sanders 0419 796 885 Jim Lawrie Field BRIGHTON
Brisbane Natives Sports Indigenous Corp. Renee Kyle 0450 233 364 Norths St Josephs VIRGINIA
Brothers St. Brendans RLFC Inc. Trish Dempsey 0437 086 503 Kookaburra Park ROCKLEA
Browns Plains RLFC Inc. Beverley Welch 0450 478 013 Grosvenor Park BROWNS PLAINS
Bulimba Valleys RLFC Inc. David Ford 0403 312 459 Balmoral Recreation Grounds BULIMBA
Cannon Hill Stars RLC Inc. Nicole Dagan 0459 372 927 Bill Cash Memorial Park CANNON HILL
Christian Lions RLFC Inc. Peter Ridsdale 0404 344 540 QUT Carseldine Campus CARSELDINE
Deception Bay RLFC Inc. Steven Seagrott 0418 157 246 Doug Ross Oval DECEPTION BAY
Eastern Suburbs DRLFC Inc. Greg Macdonald 0419 735 231 WJ Scott Park HOLLAND PARK
Edens Landing RLFC Inc. Donna Gallagher 0459 949 591 Leighton Fields EDENS LANDING
Ferny Grove RL Sporting Assoc Inc. Mark Morrison 0401 675 246 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON
Fortitude Valley RLFC - Jnr Div Inc. Joanne Clarke 0434 484 020 Emerson Park GRANGE
Greenbank RLFC Home of the Raiders Inc. Becky Battelley 0437 729 640 Greenbank Sport & Recreation Club GREENBANK
Logan Brothers RLC Inc. Tanya McGregor 0424 619 379 Civic Park LOGAN CENTRAL
Logan Wanderers RLC Inc. Joanne De La Cruz 0431 619 236 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Mustangs Brothers RLFC Inc. Tracey Molloy 0411 950 154 Mustangs Oval CHAMBERS FLAT
Normanby RLFC Inc. Tony Casey 0403 326 469 Purtell Park BARDON
North Stradbroke Island RLFC Inc. Julie Brown 0438 778 242 Ron Stark Oval DUNWICH
Pine Central Holy Spirit RLFC Inc. Wendy Holbert 0414 880 249 Les Hugh Sporting Complex BRAY PARK
Redlands District RLC Inc. Richard Conway 0419 774 124 Pinklands Sports Grounds THORNLANDS
Rochedale Tigers RLFC Inc. Gabriela La Budde 0419 703 060 Underwood Park ROCHEDALE SOUTH
Samford & District RLFC Tim Woodland 0433 339 533 Cash Oval SAMFORD
Sandgate Brighton Gaters RLFC Inc. Leny Hoeksema 0417 193 010 Brighton Roosters JRLFC BRIGHTON
Slacks Creek RLFC Inc. Frieda Hendy 0422 122 866 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Souths Graceville RLC Inc. Robert Reid 0419 651 326 Bert St Clair Oval GRACEVILLE
Souths Sunnybank RLFC Inc. Paul Gilbert 0416 820 038 Jim Murdoch Oval SUNNYBANK
Waterford RLFC Inc. Mick Sparey 0412 677 131 Noffke Park MEADOWBROOK
West Arana Hills RLFC Inc. Belinda McKelvie 0406 600 470 Kev McKell Oval KEPERRA
Wests Inala FC Inc. Marie Manser 0401 050 135 CJ Greenfield Sporting Complex INALA
Wests Mitchelton RLFC Inc. Theresa Seath 0402 012 292 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON

Burleigh Heads RLFC Inc. Damian Driscoll 0422 663 224 Pizzey Park MIAMI
Cudgen Leagues Club Ltd. Graeme Lawrence 0439 510 014 3 Wommin Bay Road KINGSCLIFF
Gold Coast/Bilambil Jets RLFC Inc Peter Rigney 0407 580 708 Bilambil East Sports Field BILAMBIL
Ormeau RLFC Inc. Karen Carey 0416 485 768 Brian Harris Oval ORMEAU
South Tweed Senior RLC Inc Michele Hallard 0412 035 882 Cnr Fraser & Leisure Drive TWEED HEADS STH
Southport Tigers Seniors RLFC Ltd. Tom Orr 0414 180 483 Owen Park SOUTHPORT
The Runaway Bay Senior RLFC Inc. Glenn Lee 0488 605 108 Kevin Bycroft Oval RUNAWAY BAY
Tugun RLFC Inc. Karen Denny 0416 019 777 Betty Diamond Sports Complex TUGUN
Tweed Coast Raiders Senior RLC Inc. Bob McDowell 0412 216 766 Les Burger Field BOGANGAR
Parkwood Sharks RLC Inc. Christine Sowter 0405 484 480 Parkwood Football Stadium LABRADOR

Narangba Rangers RLFC Inc. Vicki Appleton 07 3203 7333 Narangba Sports Reserve NARANGBA
Southern Suburbs RLFC - Jnr Div Ltd. Phil Villetri 0408 732 651 Brandon Park ACACIA RIDGE
The Redcliffe District RLFC Inc. Kirsty Fields 07 3203 7333 Dolphin Oval REDCLIFFE

Goodna & Districts RLFC Inc. Jenny Stewart 0417 799 017 Richardson Park GOODNA
Swifts RLFC Inc. Terri-Leanne Squire 0410 649 330 40-64 Ipswich Boonah Road PURGA



& that's not including the Darling Downs or Sunshine coast,Or even the NT.

Cwapper your master led you astray ..
Don't sit on his lap for a week as punishment


Yip yip .
Needed to be said.

Edited out the junior clubs for a realistic comparison. And a number of double entries!

50 for rugby league, plus the Broncos and the Titans for 52.

44 for AFL including the Lions and the Suns.

Closer than you lot thought, huh? But at least you finally gave.

[Raiderdave]

doesnt matter if a website says ''is brimming with AFL activity'' the FACT is in South east queensland AFLs best scenario is 3rd most popular football code. Rugby League, rugby union easily sit above. i would even say soccer sits 3rd above AFL but others say AFL is 3rd thats why im telling you
AFL IS AT BEST THE 3RD MOST POPULAR CODE IN SE QUEENSLAND. now can you tell me again about this 'brimming' and how it by somehow makes my statement false??

Here's how! Beat this number of local clubs!

NORTH EAST AFL Northern Conference
Aspley 16.13 drew Gold Coast 17.7, Brisbane 19.19 d Redland 8.7, Morningside 19.14 d Northern Territory 9.15, Broadbeach 12.8 d Labrador 10.12, Southport & Mount Gravatt - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 1
Burleigh 12.8 wdb Western Magpies 24.17, Noosa 9.8 wdb Springwood 15.13, Palm Beach/Currumbin 18.17 d Sandgate 8.7, Surfers Paradise 21.9 d Coolangatta 11.6, University 4.5 wdb Mayne 22.20, Wilston Grange 9.16 wdb Maroochydore 11.17

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 2
Alexandra Hills 24.18 d Wynnum 3.3, Kedron 22.19 d Caboolture 5.4, Kenmore 9.7 wdb Caloundra 16.13, Nambour 11.11 wdb Yeronga/South Brisbane 18.12, Redcliffe 9.4 wdb Coorparoo 16.14, Robina 19.20 d Aspley 12.8

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 3
Beenleigh 17.18 d Ipswich 6.3, Carrara 19.20 d University 9.7, Logan City 15.7 d Griffith Uni/Moorooka 4.3, Pine Rivers 28.13 d Calamvale 4.7, Coomera - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 South
Robina 10.5 wdb Lismore 14.15, Ballina 15.12 d Bond Uni 5.7, Byron Bay 23.17 d Burleigh 3.2, Tweed Coast - BYE

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 Central
Collingwood Park 8.10 d Kenmore 5.6, Woodsmen 20.19 d Kedron 3.1, Yeronga/South Brisbane 4.3 wdb Zillmere 16.13, Jimboomba d University by forfeit

AFL SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND Division 4 North
Gympie 7.9 wdb Maroochydore 12.8, Pomona 27.17 d Glasshouse 1.1, Bribie Island 40.17 d Noosa 3.0

Yeah some are NSW and NT are there, but count them up - and then show me the same numbers at local rugby in both codes! These are open age by the way because I can't be bothered looking up juniors for now.

(Apologies to TLPG for copying part of two pages on his site but it was the easiest to access)

Aspley RLFC Inc. Simon Scanlan 0467 491 728 Harry Kirby Park ASPLEY
Banyo RLC Inc. Craig Molyneux 0406 967 097 Bora Ring NUDGEE
Bayside Warriors RLFC Inc. Rick Ward 0423 866 240 Ken Hayward Oval DECEPTION BAY
Beenleigh Multi Sports Assoc Inc. Rick Adamson 07 3287 4804 Bill Norrie Oval BEENLEIGH
Bracken Ridge Sports Assoc Inc. Chris White 0439 388 202 Les Hughes Sports Complex BRAY PARK
Brighton Roosters JRLC Inc. Debbie Sanders 0419 796 885 Jim Lawrie Field BRIGHTON
Brisbane Natives Sports Indigenous Corp. Renee Kyle 0450 233 364 Norths St Josephs VIRGINIA
Brothers St. Brendans RLFC Inc. Trish Dempsey 0437 086 503 Kookaburra Park ROCKLEA
Browns Plains RLFC Inc. Beverley Welch 0450 478 013 Grosvenor Park BROWNS PLAINS
Bulimba Valleys RLFC Inc. David Ford 0403 312 459 Balmoral Recreation Grounds BULIMBA
Cannon Hill Stars RLC Inc. Nicole Dagan 0459 372 927 Bill Cash Memorial Park CANNON HILL
Christian Lions RLFC Inc. Peter Ridsdale 0404 344 540 QUT Carseldine Campus CARSELDINE
Deception Bay RLFC Inc. Steven Seagrott 0418 157 246 Doug Ross Oval DECEPTION BAY
Eastern Suburbs DRLFC Inc. Greg Macdonald 0419 735 231 WJ Scott Park HOLLAND PARK
Edens Landing RLFC Inc. Donna Gallagher 0459 949 591 Leighton Fields EDENS LANDING
Ferny Grove RL Sporting Assoc Inc. Mark Morrison 0401 675 246 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON
Fortitude Valley RLFC - Jnr Div Inc. Joanne Clarke 0434 484 020 Emerson Park GRANGE
Greenbank RLFC Home of the Raiders Inc. Becky Battelley 0437 729 640 Greenbank Sport & Recreation Club GREENBANK
Logan Brothers RLC Inc. Tanya McGregor 0424 619 379 Civic Park LOGAN CENTRAL
Logan Wanderers RLC Inc. Joanne De La Cruz 0431 619 236 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Mustangs Brothers RLFC Inc. Tracey Molloy 0411 950 154 Mustangs Oval CHAMBERS FLAT
Normanby RLFC Inc. Tony Casey 0403 326 469 Purtell Park BARDON
North Stradbroke Island RLFC Inc. Julie Brown 0438 778 242 Ron Stark Oval DUNWICH
Pine Central Holy Spirit RLFC Inc. Wendy Holbert 0414 880 249 Les Hugh Sporting Complex BRAY PARK
Redlands District RLC Inc. Richard Conway 0419 774 124 Pinklands Sports Grounds THORNLANDS
Rochedale Tigers RLFC Inc. Gabriela La Budde 0419 703 060 Underwood Park ROCHEDALE SOUTH
Samford & District RLFC Tim Woodland 0433 339 533 Cash Oval SAMFORD
Sandgate Brighton Gaters RLFC Inc. Leny Hoeksema 0417 193 010 Brighton Roosters JRLFC BRIGHTON
Slacks Creek RLFC Inc. Frieda Hendy 0422 122 866 Usher Park DAISY HILL
Souths Graceville RLC Inc. Robert Reid 0419 651 326 Bert St Clair Oval GRACEVILLE
Souths Sunnybank RLFC Inc. Paul Gilbert 0416 820 038 Jim Murdoch Oval SUNNYBANK
Waterford RLFC Inc. Mick Sparey 0412 677 131 Noffke Park MEADOWBROOK
West Arana Hills RLFC Inc. Belinda McKelvie 0406 600 470 Kev McKell Oval KEPERRA
Wests Inala FC Inc. Marie Manser 0401 050 135 CJ Greenfield Sporting Complex INALA
Wests Mitchelton RLFC Inc. Theresa Seath 0402 012 292 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON

Burleigh Heads RLFC Inc. Damian Driscoll 0422 663 224 Pizzey Park MIAMI
Cudgen Leagues Club Ltd. Graeme Lawrence 0439 510 014 3 Wommin Bay Road KINGSCLIFF
Gold Coast/Bilambil Jets RLFC Inc Peter Rigney 0407 580 708 Bilambil East Sports Field BILAMBIL
Ormeau RLFC Inc. Karen Carey 0416 485 768 Brian Harris Oval ORMEAU
South Tweed Senior RLC Inc Michele Hallard 0412 035 882 Cnr Fraser & Leisure Drive TWEED HEADS STH
Southport Tigers Seniors RLFC Ltd. Tom Orr 0414 180 483 Owen Park SOUTHPORT
The Runaway Bay Senior RLFC Inc. Glenn Lee 0488 605 108 Kevin Bycroft Oval RUNAWAY BAY
Tugun RLFC Inc. Karen Denny 0416 019 777 Betty Diamond Sports Complex TUGUN
Tweed Coast Raiders Senior RLC Inc. Bob McDowell 0412 216 766 Les Burger Field BOGANGAR
Parkwood Sharks RLC Inc. Christine Sowter 0405 484 480 Parkwood Football Stadium LABRADOR

Narangba Rangers RLFC Inc. Vicki Appleton 07 3203 7333 Narangba Sports Reserve NARANGBA
Southern Suburbs RLFC - Jnr Div Ltd. Phil Villetri 0408 732 651 Brandon Park ACACIA RIDGE
The Redcliffe District RLFC Inc. Kirsty Fields 07 3203 7333 Dolphin Oval REDCLIFFE

Goodna & Districts RLFC Inc. Jenny Stewart 0417 799 017 Richardson Park GOODNA
Swifts RLFC Inc. Terri-Leanne Squire 0410 649 330 40-64 Ipswich Boonah Road PURGA



& that's not including the Darling Downs or Sunshine coast,Or even the NT.

Cwapper your master led you astray ..
Don't sit on his lap for a week as punishment


Yip yip .
Needed to be said.

Closer than you lot thought, huh? But at least you finally gave.

44,000 Rugby League players in SE Qld
7,000 fumblers

yeah
that's close :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>


fuck me
how dumb can this guy be :_<> :_<> :_<>

[NRLCrap1]

It's more than 7000, Dave! The article said it was juniors in Brisbane only! No Gold Coast numbers at all and no senior figures included!

[TLPG]

Take away these - they are not thugby league clubs they are sports associations.

Beenleigh Multi Sports Assoc Inc. Rick Adamson 07 3287 4804 Bill Norrie Oval BEENLEIGH
Bracken Ridge Sports Assoc Inc. Chris White 0439 388 202 Les Hughes Sports Complex BRAY PARK
Brisbane Natives Sports Indigenous Corp. Renee Kyle 0450 233 364 Norths St Josephs VIRGINIA
Ferny Grove RL Sporting Assoc Inc. Mark Morrison 0401 675 246 Frank Lind Oval MITCHELTON
Cudgen Leagues Club Ltd. Graeme Lawrence 0439 510 014 3 Wommin Bay Road KINGSCLIFF

And NRLC, you left two more junior clubs in there.

Result now is 45 against 44.

And I'll be collecting the new draws over the weekend to update the senior numbers, although I won't be back in here until Thursday next week.

[Raiderdave]

It's more than 7000, Dave! The article said it was juniors in Brisbane only! No Gold Coast numbers at all and no senior figures included!

hmmmmm

so we can assume that with Brisbane having more then 3 times the population of the Gold Coast
that the Gold Coast would have no more then a third of the number of junior fumblers

2300 or so on the coast

same for RL players
about 13,000..on the coast

so that's


9300 junior fumblers

&

57,000 junior RL players

so
in what possible **** world
could your fumbling mess of a sport .. have more players then RL in SE Qld then ? :_<> :_<> :_<>

seriously
what kind of tar.d are you ?

[AFLcrap1]

Fuck me dead we are dealing with some braindead mongs

lets add a few other clubs.

Universities Rugby
League Queensland Greg Kelly 0407 020 503 PO Box 741 NATHAN 4111
Griffith Gold Coast Panthers Dean Wilks 0405 113 991 Parkland Drive GRIFFITH
UNIVERSITY
Griffith Steam Rollers - Logan
Campus Luke O'Donnell 0423 504 333 Nathan Fields NATHAN
Griffith University RL - Dragons Tim Levitt 0423 646 688 170 Kessels Road NATHAN
QUT Student Guild RLFC Tom Simpson 0423 303 476 Nathan Fields NATHAN
UQ Gatton Bulls Thomas Lally 0422 387 120 Courtney Oval, Gatton UQ FOREST HILL
USQ Iron Barks (Toowoomba) Michael O'Keefe 0421 855 548 USQ Saints Rugby Union,
Baker Street TOOWOOMBA


Beachmere RLFC Steve Harvey 0417 733 011 Beachmere Sports Grounds BEACHMERE
Beerwah & District RLFC Inc. Dean Roberts 0418 816 605 Beerwah Sportsground BEERWAH
Bribie Island RLFC Lorraine Rose 0401 634 371 Burnie Foley Oval BRIBIE ISLAND
Caboolture RLFC Dan Jenkins 0423 459 018 Bob Day Oval CABOOLTURE
Caloundra RLFC Ian Welch 0414 789 454 Tinonee Oval GOLDEN BEACH
Coolum Beach JRLC Inc Ken Snow 0415 422 293 Coolum Sports Complex COOLUM BEACH
Gympie/Cooloola RLFC Jim Bougoure 0427 806 188 Jack Stokes Oval GYMPIE
Kawana RLFC Inc. Mark Cohen 0488 884 575 Stockland Park BOKARINA
Kilcoy District FC Inc Pat Bleakley 0408 758 595 Hopetown Sports Field KILCOY
Maroochydore/Coolum RLFC Mick Jeffrey 0419 771 983 Maroochydore Swans JRL
Grounds MAROOCHYDORE
Mary Valley Stags Rugby League
Inc Glenn Carlson 0428 159 529 Edward Street IMBIL
Nambour RLFC Inc. Ray Madsen 0419 997 206 Crusher Park NAMBOUR
Noosa District RLFC Inc. Chris O'grady 0402 537 244 Tewantin Sports Complex TEWANTIN
Palmwoods & Western Districts
JRLFC Alan Mewton 0407 498 940 Briggs Park PALMWOODS
Pomona/Cooran RLFC Inc. Kerry Martin 0458 438 881 Chris Kenny Oval COORAN
Yandina RLFC Anthony Law 0427 664 831 Yandina Multi-Sports
Complex YANDINA
Kilcoy District FC Inc Pat Bleakley 0408 758 595 Hopetown Sports Field KILCOY

Mary Valley Stags Rugby League
Inc Glenn Carlson 0428 159 529 Edward Street IMBIL

Pomona/Cooran RLFC Inc. Kerry Martin 0458 438 881 Chris Kenny Oval COORAN
Yandina RLFC Anthony Law 0427 664 831 Yandina Multi-Sports
Complex YANDINA

I can keep adding as long as the mongs keep thinking Fumbleball comes close to RL in SEQ

[NRLCrap1]

GGF, Dave. You're pulling those numbers out of your arse again.

[AFLcrap1]

BUMP.

[AFLcrap1]

oh my

oh my oh my

deary gracious me fumblers

your codes governing body has had to go bank guarantor for its failing clubs, many of whom are technically insolvent .. to the tune of 34 Million dollars
just
to keep them operational

Ol Raider has been bangin on for years about how awful many VFL clubs are goin coin wise
but we have our deluded brain washed .. head up their assess ... twats in here
who just refuse to believe it

The Kitty Kats
theres some opinion .. they simply cannot continue to function they are that far up shit creek...... they're close to folding :_<> :_<>

is it any wonder the VFL only bank 11 million odd in 2013..
while the ARLC....banked 47.5 Million

heres the full story fumblers
read it
& weep

the AFL is providing $34 million of bank guarantees on behalf of its clubs, in some cases to enable cash-stricken operations to pay their bills and convince auditors they remain commercially viable.

as australia’s richest football competition prepares to enter fresh negotiations on what it hopes will be another $1 billion broadcast rights deal, its underclass of working-poor clubs are increasingly reliant on the goodwill of the AFL and banks to survive.

An examination of club finances by the australian has found the AFL club in the most dire financial position is brisbane, which remains technically insolvent with a deficiency in net assets of $4.7m and a deficiency in current assets of $12.8m.

The club is bleeding cash, with last year’s cash profit of nearly $400,000 a quirk of accounting masking a true loss of $538,872. The club’s 2013 season balance sheet prompted a stern warning from kpmg auditor scott guse, who said there was a “material uncertainty which may cast doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern”.

To secure an $8 million bill facility, the club relied on an AFL guarantee and presented westpac with a separate letter of support from the league setting out “a range of financial assistance packages that can be used to assist the company to meet its obligations if necessary”. St kilda relied on an AFL guarantee to extend its commercial bill facility from $4.75m to $6.75 million. The western bulldogs, north melbourne and melbourne, who all failed to make last year’s finals series, also depend on AFL-guaranteed credit.

Carlton and richmond continue to operate with AFL-backed credit facilities, although both clubs are steadily reducing the amount they owe and ended the last trading year with healthy cash surpluses.

Even one of the competition’s most powerful clubs, essendon, finds itself drained of cash after having to fork out nearly $4m to cover fines and legal expenses from the supplements scandal and a further estimated $1m to pay suspended coach james hird his entire 2014 salary in advance.

Essendon president paul little said the club always expected to end last season depleted of cash reserves after investing heavily in the club’s new training centre. However, he said the club had forecast a trading profit this season and expected to be debt-free in three years.

The AFL guarantees enable clubs to secure a line of credit at a cheaper interest rate than banks would otherwise offer, if at all, to businesses facing similar financial difficulties.
Last year’s figure of $34m has risen from total guarantees worth a little over $30m in 2012.

St kilda president peter summers said an additional $2m in AFL-guaranteed credit secured since the end of the 2013 season was be used as working capital. Put another way, the extended credit is being used to keep the lights on.

Bulldogs president peter gordon said the problem confronting the competition’s perennially cash-strapped clubs was simple. “we don’t make enough money at the moment,” he said. “we have to address that.”

summers, whose club recorded the lowest revenue figure in the competition last year, said the club had not spent itself into trouble.

“we are not a high-spending club,” he said. “this is about increasing our revenue.”
the saints are off to a shaky start, with the club last week confirming a 10 per cent drop-off in membership from this time last year. Summers told members at the club’s annual general meeting last friday that it was “complete nonsense” to suggest smaller clubs were poorly managed.

Although the AFL’s salary cap and draft has helped keep the national competition even, a growing mountain of cash separates the rich clubs from the poor.

Where the saints failed to earn $30m last year, collingwood declared revenues in excess of $75m. Collingwood ended last season with $21m cash on hand, the saints were left with $80,418. The bulldogs’ cash balance was boosted by a $1m, interest-free loan from gordon.

Collingwood last year spent $6.3m managing its swollen membership base - more than the bulldogs earned from theirs.

The bulldogs’ 2013 accounts lodged with the australian securities & investments commission carry an auditor’s warning citing “significant uncertainty” about club continuing as a going concern. The directors of the st kilda, melbourne and north melbourne also address going concern issues in their financial statements.

Gordon, a founding partner of legal firm slater & gordon who now runs gordon legal, and summers, chief executive of property group avjennings, are optimistic about this season.

Summers said the saints had budgeted for an operating surplus for 2014 and would soon unveil a five-year plan to build a sustainable revenue base. Gordon said in contrast to his previous time as bulldogs president 25 years ago, when a less paternalistic AFL was prepared to see the dogs go broke, he no longer felt like the sword of damocles was hanging over the club.

However, both are pushing for substantial reform to how the proceeds of football are shared.
Summers wants urgent action by the AFL to address the discrepancy in the financial returns clubs receive under their respective stadium deals. Gordon wants the AFL’s complex system of financial distributions scrapped and replaced by equal allocations to the clubs to cover all player payments and a set amount on other expenses. Under the gordon model, the rich clubs would be free to spend more on their football operations but the poorer clubs would have guaranteed, long-term revenue and no longer be year-to-year propositions.

“had the AFL introduced the sort of revenue sharing which the nfl has and major league baseball did and the nba did 10 years ago, it is likely that our balance sheets and a lot of other balance sheets would be a lot healthier now,” gordon said.

A chartered accountant with a leading insolvency specialist examined brisbane’s financials and provided a bleak assessment of the club’s outlook.

“they are currently loss making, are churning through their available cash reserves, and have a significant current asset deficiency,” the accountant said. “they also have significant levels of debt. The letter of support from the AFL is obviously critical to the operations of the business in its current form.”

representatives from the brisbane lions did not respond to requests for comment

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spor...-1226822011769#

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Michael Voss says AFL must assist Lions financially



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-new...#ixzz2zK7TW8HX



The three-time premiership captain emphasised how difficult it was to strike the balance between re-building properly and meeting short-term demands for competitiveness in the fickle Brisbane market. He suggested the league provide funds for the Lions' on-field development.
"Well this is the battle, the market says that the market doesn't let it happen up there, historically it says that, the reality is that if the Brisbane Lions are not winning football games, then the numbers drop," he said.
"The only answer right now for this interim period of time is the AFL has to be able to tip in some funds."


& this ,after the continuous looking down the nose at RL clubs by some AFL fans.
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/AFL/gws...-1226888977676


GREATER Western Sydney is investigating a poker machine play to help fund its fledgling operations.

Giants chairman Tony Shepherd confirmed the club was considering getting into gaming machines, while acknowledging concerns over “social implications”.

GWS would become the 12th AFL club to tie its fortunes to the controversial industry.

The move comes as forces linked to billionaire pokies king Bruce Mathieson seek to take control of Carlton, which reaps a $2 million annual profit from machines linked to Mathieson.
Figures show the AFL competition is increasingly reliant on poker machine revenues.

“It’s obvious that football clubs do better if they have a non-football source of revenue, and that is something certainly that we are considering,” Shepherd told the Herald Sun.

“Gaming is one of the options but we would be concerned about the social implications of that, because we are a family club. We are still in deliberations. We haven’t got any deals or proposals. Over the next few months we will bring things to a head.”

Anti-gambling crusader Tim Costello said it would be a tragedy if the AFL’s $100 million expansion into the west of Sydney could not survive without gaming.

“It’s disgusting. NSW has the most poker machines outside the state of Nevada in the world — and western Sydney where the most people live is the most infested,” Costello said.

“It really is just predatory behaviour.”

Combined annual pokies revenues for the nine Victorian clubs hit $104 million last year, derived from 1466 machines.

Carlton, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong and Essendon cashed in on losses of more than $10 million at venues connected to their clubs in 2013.

Only James Brayshaw’s North Melbourne has a no-gambling policy of Victorian clubs.

Asked about the growth of pokies in footy this month, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou told the Herald Sun: “It is entirely a decision for clubs, the AFL’s position has been very clear — we don’t advance moneys for clubs to buy poker machines, it is entirely a decision for their boards.

“We don’t encourage or discourage them — it is another source of revenue for the clubs.”

Two years ago, Demetriou was hailed a hero of the anti-pokies movement after declaring the league could act as a go-between to consortiums that wanted to buy out about 2000 machines, and associated leases, under the control of AFL clubs.

“Andrew has shown he is ahead of the game when it comes to poker machines. He can see the writing on the wall,” Senator Nick Xenophon said.

“He realises poker machines are the new tobacco and no credible business will want to be associated with this product. Andrew is the first CEO to realise pokies are brand killers.”

AFL figures have since privately conceded most of its clubs could not thrive without gaming income."

[ParraEelsNRL]

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[Xman]

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Not sure what you're waiting for. The AFL will cap spending on football departments soon which will reign in some of the ridiculous spending we are currently seeing. Some clubs have as many coach staff as players.

[AFLcrap1]

The words "INTEGRITY" & "EQUAL " should never be used in any sentence containing AFL.

The Laughable COLA, The laughable Draft picks going to new teams..TANKING or NON Tanking make sure that the comp is no where near EQUAL.

Because Canterbury salary cap cheating, Melbourne Storm salary cap issues, News Ltds conflicts of interest being the owner and broadcaster (and subsequent favoritism of the Broncos on tv) and premierships by both salary cap cheats and Super league are all things that never caused any strife to Rugby League right. Damn, you people are hypocrites of the highest order sometimes. Lets not forget you guys couldnt even operate a draft properly and then shit yourselves when it went to court.

Its all very well to criticise AFL expansion policy...but at least they HAVE expanded without relying on the rich and famous to bankroll them in recent times.

:_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>
Yeh we have had salary cap scandals...I believe the AFL has had some too.

But now when a team runs onto the field in an NRL game they are all on level playing fields
All have the same amount to spend on players.

AFL well its a joke,,COLA ,to premiership winning teams.
Draft picks given to the new basketcases..

There is no level playing field in AFL.

When or if my team wins a GF it will be because they were the better team ,not because they were "GIFTED"one by the Admin.

TANKING..Bhaaaaaaa,that wont work anymore because there is no reward for losing,as the new talent is already given to GWS or GC..
How a fan of a heartland club like MELB could continue to follow the sport when the powers that be make sure they have No fucking chance in hell of getting near a GF(due to a compromised comp)is mind boggling.

& your last line is laughable .
They have expanded at the expense of long standing clubs ,due to the reasons I outlined..


The new boss is going to have a headache..

Propping up 2 expansion teams & making sure they were looked after(wink wink nudge nudge) was easy.
4 is proving to be a major problem....someone misses out & it looks like the Kitty kats are in big big trouble.

& by the looks of that article I posted ,they are asking for a bit of help(AFL STYLE HELP) wink wink nudge nudge.

[NRLCrap1]

Fricking word, Wookie!