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remains obstructive, acting as if their is no issue.

Yet again only Australia's game demonstrates leadership and acknowledges problems in order to deal with an issue.

Shame NRL shame. You have so much to learn from the AFL. [-X [-X [-X
AFL dealing with hearings better than NRL: Fahey
Date May 8, 2013

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

The NRL has no plans to have a league official sit in on interviews between ASADA investigators and players, as the AFL will do when interviews with its players begin this week.

Lawyers representing ASADA and Cronulla players are still negotiating on the level of co-operation players are required to provide when interviews resume after questioning of Sharks back-rower Wade Graham was cut short last week.

The delay sparked accusations from WADA president John Fahey - a former Canterbury player and official - that the game was not dealing with the ASADA investigation as well as the AFL. Fahey's comment supports the off-the-record view of another drugs enforcement agency official, who said the investigation into doping by NRL players could drag on for years, while the AFL cases were expected to be concluded within months.

''They [the AFL] have acknowledged they have got a problem. They don't know the extent of that problem - none of us do - but they are not sweeping it under the carpet and they are saying, 'Let's deal with it and let's get on with life after that,''' Fahey told Sky News. ''What a breath of fresh air that is compared to what I am seeing as an observer here in Sydney with rugby league. From what I can see, at the attempt for the very first interview there were lawyers there who prevented any answer being given, and so much so, it seems little point for ASADA to continue on.''


NRL chief executive David Smith has asked for a transcript of Graham's interview to determine whether the questioning from ASADA went beyond the previous agreement for players not to incriminate themselves. However, the AFL will have either one or both of its investigators, Brett Clothier and Abraham Haddad, in attendance when ASADA begins interviewing senior Essendon players, led by Jobe Watson.

The players will have AFL Players Association legal representatives Bernie Shinners or Brett Murphy by their side, as well as their own lawyer or manager if they want - as is the case with the NRL players. However, the NRL intends to remain at arms' length to ensure there are no questions about the legal process if players are charged and have to face a hearing.

Fahey said players who did not co-operate would face harsher penalties than those who did as they could not seek a 75 per cent reduction for providing ''substantial assistance''. ''Those who have offended will be dealt with, and I suspect far more harshly than they may have otherwise been dealt with had they co-operated. And I believe that may go all the way to the top before this is over,'' Fahey said.

It is understood ASADA cannot use information provided by the Australian Crime Commission from video surveillance and phone taps as evidence against any players in a doping tribunal hearing. As a result, ASADA investigators are relying heavily on information obtained from interviews with players and training staff to help them lay charges. Lawyers argue if players detail teammates using performance-enhancing drugs, they would also incriminate themselves.

If an agreement can't be reach for the players to answer questions at the interviews, Fairfax Media has been told that ASADA will pursue other avenues of inquiry to obtain evidence. But the process will take much longer.

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Unfortunately the Dank's of the world have been in the NRL system a lot longer then in the AFL system. The are doing their best to hide and may have got into the system a lot deeper and even gotten to the players. Dank was only at Essendon for less then a year. Essendon had poor practices in place and when they realised the issue they brought it into the public light, lucky for them Dank had only been around a short time and it also looks like the players had no idea what was happening. I am just an outsider, however the way they are dealing with the issue looks to me like the NRL clubs have a much bigger problem. They are doing their best to give away as little information as possible, the way a criminal would deal with an issue and it makes all of the NRL look bad. I thought the way the president of the Sharks dealed with the problem was sloppy but it was the right way of dealing with the issue. He held the doctor and the coach to account for their mistakes and delt with it quickly. Essendon should probabaly take a leaf out of his book in my opinion.
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No surprises. The nRL is very unprofessional when it comes to how the game is run. They know there are problems with the league, but their administrators are too incompetent to know how to address these issues properly. Usually they'll try and slide the issue under the carpet (racism etc), and they probably tried to do the same with ASADA. But ASADA isn't going away so the nRL and Cronulla will finally need to come clean like Essendon have.
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The Nrl did an audit of all the clubs mentioned in the report immediately after (or in Cronulla's case, the day before) the press conference. Cronulla commissioned an internal report and actually sacked people on the basis of the findings. How is that not taking action. Meanwhile, Essendon release a report which says they've done nothing wrong, and don't sack anybody. It's just astonishing these people commentating on this issue are ignoring these facts.
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6637162612

IN the past six months, two of the AFL's biggest brands - Adelaide and Essendon - have vowed to bare their souls in public, or at least to their members.

Each has sinned. Neither has fully confessed.

The Bombers had their chance on Monday.

Ziggy Switkowski was under the impression from Essendon chairman David Evans there would be full disclosure of his internal report on how the Bombers lost their way while Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson ran a fitness program that is now the subject of AFL and Federal Government investigations.

The members and the public remain in the dark on some key issues of the Tippett saga

In fairness to Evans, the Switkowski report is under threat - if made public in full - of defamation hearings, particularly from Robinson, who was the high-performance manager at Windy Hill last season.

In further fairness to Essendon, the corruption of its procedures was so severe last year that even today the Bombers cannot tell their players what substances they took in the search for a competitive edge.

Adelaide has less to hold back full disclosure - as promised - on the Kurt Tippett affair.

The members and the public - who were assured by Crows chairman Rob Chapman of being told "the whole story" - remain in the dark on some key issues.

Just what happened in September 2009 when Tippett signed a contract with secret attachments is either to stay private or become the focus of a book by any of the key players.

Regardless, there are two fascinating points in each scandal that need to be pushed.


At Essendon, there is the problem of the letter that club doctor Bruce Reid wrote on January 15, 2012, expressing concern at the Dank-Robinson program. This letter never reached the board - and remains lost.

"Bruce did write a letter," Evans says, "and ... we're confused as to where that letter went."

But AFL clubs are small pods. Is it harsh or too simplistic to ask why Reid - as he constantly bumped into Evans in the changerooms, team hotels and flights - never asked why he had no response to his letter?

Had the lines of communication at Windy Hill broken down that much?

At Adelaide, there is the question of just how much the Crows board knew of the Tippett deal - or how much they asked of it.

Considering so many questions of secret clauses were in the media, a concerned club director should have asked for clarity at board meetings.

Chapman says the board minutes confirm his directors did ask and they were satisfied with the answer. The response of "manageable risk" may indicate the board was too easily satisfied with the answer - and the AFL penalties further enhance that impression.

An adjunct professor from the University of Adelaide, Mark Coleman, this month has published a business paper questioning the Adelaide FC's governance.

"I questioned," he writes, "a number of colleagues, all well experienced in governance roles ... "

The conclusions are quite damning of the Crows board, and certain to draw a response from Chapman, who is going to great lengths to correct the governance problems at West Lakes.

But no member at Adelaide or Essendon yet has the full story as they were promised.







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The Nrl did an audit of all the clubs mentioned in the report immediately after (or in Cronulla's case, the day before) the press conference. Cronulla commissioned an internal report and actually sacked people on the basis of the findings. How is that not taking action. Meanwhile, Essendon release a report which says they've done nothing wrong, and don't sack anybody. It's just astonishing these people commentating on this issue are ignoring these facts.
In Cronulla's case the sackings backfired and the coach was reinstated. I thought the idea was correct but in the end nothing was really done. What is the NRL find with their audit?
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Jut to give you an idea of the level of respect people have for Rucci:

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Unfortunately the Dank's of the world have been in the NRL system a lot longer then in the AFL system. The are doing their best to hide and may have got into the system a lot deeper and even gotten to the players. Dank was only at Essendon for less then a year. Essendon had poor practices in place and when they realised the issue they brought it into the public light, lucky for them Dank had only been around a short time and it also looks like the players had no idea what was happening. I am just an outsider, however the way they are dealing with the issue looks to me like the NRL clubs have a much bigger problem. They are doing their best to give away as little information as possible, the way a criminal would deal with an issue and it makes all of the NRL look bad. I thought the way the president of the Sharks dealed with the problem was sloppy but it was the right way of dealing with the issue. He held the doctor and the coach to account for their mistakes and delt with it quickly. Essendon should probabaly take a leaf out of his book in my opinion.

No. Essendon welcomed Dank aboard with open arms. They listened hungrily to his dodgy plans. They said that this fits perfectly with our "win at all costs" attitude. Then they told their medical doctors to piss off. They created secret on and off site doping locations. And said to Dankey "no matter what the costs, whether its players' health, the integrity of this club, or the integrity of the code and australian sport...make us win"

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Essendon and the AFL can play the guilty cunning honest schoolyard boy who knows its best to admit he's stuffed up so as to cop a lenient penalty for owning up to his guilt when he knows he's not gunna get away with it alllllllll they like. They might lull asada and dumb tools like pies into their lullaby but they dont fool KE! :cool:

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piesman2011 wrote:
Unfortunately the Dank's of the world have been in the NRL system a lot longer then in the AFL system. The are doing their best to hide and may have got into the system a lot deeper and even gotten to the players. Dank was only at Essendon for less then a year. Essendon had poor practices in place and when they realised the issue they brought it into the public light, lucky for them Dank had only been around a short time and it also looks like the players had no idea what was happening. I am just an outsider, however the way they are dealing with the issue looks to me like the NRL clubs have a much bigger problem. They are doing their best to give away as little information as possible, the way a criminal would deal with an issue and it makes all of the NRL look bad. I thought the way the president of the Sharks dealed with the problem was sloppy but it was the right way of dealing with the issue. He held the doctor and the coach to account for their mistakes and delt with it quickly. Essendon should probabaly take a leaf out of his book in my opinion.

No. Essendon welcomed Dank aboard with open arms. They listened hungrily to his dodgy plans. They said that this fits perfectly with our "win at all costs" attitude. Then they told their medical doctors to piss off. They created secret on and off site doping locations. And said to Dankey "no matter what the costs, whether its players' health, the integrity of this club, or the integrity of the code and australian sport...make us win"

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Essendon and the AFL can play the guilty cunning honest schoolyard boy who knows its best to admit he's stuffed up so as to cop a lenient penalty for owning up to his guilt when he knows he's not gunna get away with it alllllllll they like. They might lull asada and dumb tools like pies into their lullaby but they dont fool KE! :cool:

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That would all sound plausible except for two points, why did Essendon fire Dank and why did Essendon make the whole thing public? Those two points make no sense with the rest of your fairytale KE. The Essendon press conference was the thing that started this whole mess. Good on them for coming forward and bad on KE for his lack of insight.
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:lol: "Bad on KE". Dont you ever EVER say those words again.

Do you really think Essendon, the guilty bastards, were unaware they'd been investigated and the ship was about to sink pies?

Seriously, how can you put such a filthy club up as martyrs in all this pies? [-X Woeful behaviour, just woeful. [-X [-X [-X
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:lol: "Bad on KE". Dont you ever EVER say those words again.

Do you really think Essendon, the guilty bastards, were unaware they'd been investigated and the ship was about to sink pies?

Seriously, how can you put such a filthy club up as martyrs in all this pies? [-X Woeful behaviour, just woeful. [-X [-X [-X
So now Essendon has inside info in ASADA that they were about to be investigated. Maybe I should call you pinocchio, your nose is growing KE.
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Essendon were already being investigated prior to them coming out publicly and prior to firing dank, right?
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Essendon were already being investigated prior to them coming out publicly and prior to firing dank, right?
Yep but no one knew that except ACC and ASADA. So did Essendon have inside info from one of these groups?
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99.9% of high level criminals who are guilty and under investigation know they are being investigated. Comon pies. Do you really think noone knew except acc and asada?
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