Options for a lopsided comp

[Fred]

I would think percentages could be a good measure of differences between clubs however only if the measure the same thing... In AFL it is points scored divided by points against ... If that is the same in nrl than my research background would suggest on the face if it that it could be a good comparison as to how competitive overall a team is against others in a competition ... Does this transfer across both codes ??? I think there could be an arguement for that when some compromise is required given the differences... Best fit so to speak .

[piesman2011]

I would think percentages could be a good measure of differences between clubs however only if the measure the same thing... In AFL it is points scored divided by points against ... If that is the same in nrl than my research background would suggest on the face if it that it could be a good comparison as to how competitive overall a team is against others in a competition ... Does this transfer across both codes ??? I think there could be an arguement for that when some compromise is required given the differences... Best fit so to speak .

In both competitions it is points for and points against (in AFL it is called percentage). The RL posters would argue that even though one team might be beaten by a large percentage the game itself was rather close and therefore the bad percentage was not an indicator of how competative the team is. They would also argue that some teams have been blown away in the points for and points against (have low percentages) have only played good teams or that they have even beaten good teams,but they have been poor at other times. What they fail to realise is that it is the same for the AFL on all of the above points.

The comparision isnt perfect. But its a lot better then KE's non-bias (sic) opinion. At least I am in no way infulencing the results of this system and I think it talks for itself and says that theres not much difference between the two competitions. After 4 rounds every single AFL team except 1 (18 teams) had a win. Similar to the NRL. The NRL had quite a few 30 to 0 sort of scores in its first 6 weeks. The AFL games have had a few blow outs as well.

[Fred]

Nice balanced response .

[King-Eliagh]

Finally you buggers have decided to use your intellect. =D> Thankyou.

Now we may discuss.

Firstly pies, you may discontinue your argument that it's only "KE's bias opinion". Last season numerous media and expert AFL officials reported either directly or along the lines that 2012 was the most lopsided in the history of the comp. Looking at the end results the bottom 6 were disastrously woeful in terms of their ability to compete. I guess it is lucky there are so many basketcases as they may each hide their shame somewhat in the inevitable wins they gain playing against their fellow basketcases. I report on the facts in regards to this pies, not opinion.

Secondly, your lil percentage/numbers game cannot present the facts that the basketcase league is far far far below the standards of the rest of the comp. Example. The NRL's bottom six can, do and will continue to compete with and beat teams in the 8 this season. The AFL bottom six will do this significantly less, or, as I say, only when the sun shines out of their ass and the other team is having a bad day. This is what proves lopsidedness (i.e. what this thread is about). The silly numbers you refer to pies cannot prove lopsidedness, I'm sorry.

If you care to differ on this last statement, I'd love to setup a wager with you on this pies? :D :D We could tally the final results after the end of the season i.e. bottom 6 teams total wins against final top 8 over the season? Whattaya say? :D

[Fred]

I thought last year was a good comp as top 8 wasn't decided for some time... Suns kept Carlton and Richmond out (I think) with wins over them late in the season , and it was quite open from the top 6 at least as to who could win it , and before that who could make the 8. Sure you had the giants struggling but expected .

[Fred]

And regardless , it doesn't seem to have impacted the AFL too much. Certainly wont impact on nrl supporters enjoyment of the nrl ??

[piesman2011]

Finally you buggers have decided to use your intellect. =D> Thankyou.

Now we may discuss.

Firstly pies, you may discontinue your argument that it's only "KE's bias opinion". Last season numerous media and expert AFL officials reported either directly or along the lines that 2012 was the most lopsided in the history of the comp. Looking at the end results the bottom 6 were disastrously woeful in terms of their ability to compete. I guess it is lucky there are so many basketcases as they may each hide their shame somewhat in the inevitable wins they gain playing against their fellow basketcases. I report on the facts in regards to this pies, not opinion.

Secondly, your lil percentage/numbers game cannot present the facts that the basketcase league is far far far below the standards of the rest of the comp. Example. The NRL's bottom six can, do and will continue to compete with and beat teams in the 8 this season. The AFL bottom six will do this significantly less, or, as I say, only when the sun shines out of their ass and the other team is having a bad day. This is what proves lopsidedness (i.e. what this thread is about). The silly numbers you refer to pies cannot prove lopsidedness, I'm sorry.

If you care to differ on this last statement, I'd love to setup a wager with you on this pies? :D :D We could tally the final results after the end of the season i.e. bottom 6 teams total wins against final top 8 over the season? Whattaya say? :D

You could argue that with a low scoring game that is RL that their is a greater chance for an NRL team to occasionally get lucky against a superior opponent. This happens all the time in soccer, with their very low scoring game. With the AFL it is harder for this to happen and skill in the end wins out in AR more often then not. It is like the laws of probability. The more times you throw a coin (usually) the closer you get to having 50% of the tosses ending up being a head. This might not make any sense to you KE being fairy non-analytical but to anyone who has done statisics it makes perfect sense.
The percentages I have shown show more then a single game for example, where the Bulldogs were competative against the top of the ladder Storm, it shows that over the course of 6 weeks they have generally been thrashed, no different to Melbourne (AFL)or GWS. This like the coin toss is something that becomes more accurate the more they play. This is showing that for their 480 (6X80)minutes of play they are are about 70 points down, which would be similar to the about of goals (50) that Melbourne would be down over the course of their 480 (4 X 120) minutes of game time.
I will look into the beat you are offering and consider it.

[King-Eliagh]

Oh pies, if only you knew. I've studied statistics at tertiary level my friend. What you are saying is gobbledigook because you are basing your comparative analysis on two completely different variables i.e. Marngrook results and RL results. I'm sorry matey, but you sir are the reason the saying there's lies, more lies and then there's statistics is valid. Now dont go patting yourself on the back for that one

Some more questions for you to consider in this lopsided debate where I'm kicking ass and the AFL supporters are like poor bastards stuck in quicksand. The more they squirm and wriggle, the more they sink deeper and deeper...and deeper. I'd like to send out a RIP to your lost comrades on that one pies - TLPG RIP, AFL 'Warrior' RIP, Beaussie - RIP. There may be more so please, respect them if you know them. I think Xman's just about gone in this debate too. His voice is gone for some time now so I think he's just gettin a few breaths out of his nose as he struggles and squirms deeper the poor bloody sod... :<>

Now where was i? That's right more questions for you to consider in this lopsided debate.

Has any media/officials in the NRL reported that the NRL is suffering from the most lopsided competition in its history? Have any media of significance reported the NRL is suffering from too many lopsided results?

I think you'll get a no and a no in answering those ones pies me boy. But if we switch AFL to NRL and I think we get a yes and a yes.

Consider my bet please pies. I think it would be lovely for one of us to have the icing on the cake so to speak come end of season :D mmmm mmmmm.

[piesman2011]

Oh pies, if only you knew. I've studied statistics at tertiary level my friend. What you are saying is gobbledigook because you are basing your comparative analysis on two completely different variables i.e. Marngrook results and RL results. I'm sorry matey, but you sir are the reason the saying there's lies, more lies and then there's statistics is valid. Now dont go patting yourself on the back for that one

Some more questions for you to consider in this lopsided debate where I'm kicking ass and the AFL supporters are like poor bastards stuck in quicksand. The more they squirm and wriggle, the more they sink deeper and deeper...and deeper. I'd like to send out a RIP to your lost comrades on that one pies - TLPG RIP, AFL 'Warrior' RIP, Beaussie - RIP. There may be more so please, respect them if you know them. I think Xman's just about gone in this debate too. His voice is gone for some time now so I think he's just gettin a few breaths out of his nose as he struggles and squirms deeper the poor bloody sod... :<>

Now where was i? That's right more questions for you to consider in this lopsided debate.

Has any media/officials in the NRL reported that the NRL is suffering from the most lopsided competition in its history? Have any media of significance reported the NRL is suffering from too many lopsided results?

I think you'll get a no and a no in answering those ones pies me boy. But if we switch AFL to NRL and I think we get a yes and a yes.

Consider my bet please pies. I think it would be lovely for one of us to have the icing on the cake so to speak come end of season :D mmmm mmmmm.

Sorry mate if you dont understand simple statistics maybe i didnt explain myself at your year 10 level .
Happy for you to show a link of an AFL officials statement that 2012 was the "worst season of all time" as you put it and even if you could find one, (which you wont) this still in no way has any relavence to 2013, which in my opinion has been a lot more competative although we are only four rounds in.
Now as to the bet im happy to bet that the bottom AFL team will be in front of the bottom NRL team points for divided by points against. As for the wins, like I said your lower points system will probably result in a few lucky wins for the bottom teams against top teams, more due to luck rather then overall talent and this along with 2 more rounds in the NRL (Thats not really a fair bet) will result in a victory for you on this one. If however you would take the bet i mentioned you would lose in my opinion and my bet is a lot more fair for overall performance.

[Swans4ever]

Look for what its worth I agree with Queen-Eliagh, it is lopsided and will be so for a while, but like most things this can be circular, in that you can have years where the comp is even but you have one outright favourite, other years you can have a number of teams competing for the last space in the finals. I think RL had a similar problem when they introduced 2 new teams prior to the super league war. New sides unbalance the comp but I don't think its long term. I for one don't see it as an issue as time will balance things out.

[Fred]

I'm still laughing at KE saying he went to uni lol. He did say tertiary level so maybe he meant TAFE . An intellectual giant **** midgets lol. Your stats are fine pies as you described ... When comparing two things like you are ... Can never be perfect but a great rationale . I will give him done credit in his trolling ... I know he gets me now and then do all power to him there I guess .

[eelofwest]

1 Essendon 5 5 0 0 176.70 20
2 Port Adelaide 4 4 0 0 159.28 16
3 Sydney 5 4 0 1 124.53 16
4 Geelong 4 4 0 0 112.00 16
5 Hawthorn 4 3 0 1 139.22 12
6 Richmond 4 3 0 1 115.11 12
7 Collingwood 5 3 0 2 93.61 12
8 Adelaide 4 2 0 2 107.94 8
9 Fremantle 4 2 0 2 102.87 8
10 North Melbourne 4 1 0 3 100.98 4
11 West Coast 4 1 0 3 98.13 4
12 St Kilda 5 1 0 4 97.63 4
13 Carlton 4 1 0 3 96.56 4
14 Gold Coast 4 1 0 3 82.52 4
15 Bulldogs 4 1 0 3 79.21 4
16 Brisbane 4 1 0 3 66.36 4
17 Melbourne 4 1 0 3 53.10 4
18 Greater Western Sydney 4 0 0 4 62.02 0

Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL#ixzz2RZP0RaOQ


OMG WHAT A LOPSIDED PIECE OF SHIT..........

LOOK AT IT BOYS, A JOKE TO WORLD SPORT......................

[piesman2011]

Look for what its worth I agree with Queen-Eliagh, it is lopsided and will be so for a while, but like most things this can be circular, in that you can have years where the comp is even but you have one outright favourite, other years you can have a number of teams competing for the last space in the finals. I think RL had a similar problem when they introduced 2 new teams prior to the super league war. New sides unbalance the comp but I don't think its long term. I for one don't see it as an issue as time will balance things out.

KE states that the two new sides will be basket cases for 5-10 years ( well he doesnt really believe this deep down he is just trolling) This thread is his idea of a of a good laugh which is why most havent been bothered to respond in a while. KE however hates it when you turn his own thread on him, like I have done to some extent in this thread.

[Swans4ever]

Is slimy eel of west really Raiderdave - looks like what he would do?

[Dogs]

Pies, if you are going to bag someone about being at a year 10 level, maybe check your spelling before posting your thoughts there pies. Just a suggestion.

On another note, 2nd placed Manly, beaten by 3rd placed Souths at manly's home ground. How close is the nrl comp. Dont forget souths only beat last placed bulldogs by a try and 2nd last warriors by a goal.

Not sure the bottom four in the AFL are getting close to the top 4.