Options for a lopsided comp

[Xman]

Well done for officially making yourself look like an idiot XMAN, links above proove to me beyond doubt that your a dumbarse as you are contridicting everything you and pies have said and basically supported the arguement that AFL is more lopsided. Please refer to the following:

1) The links you provided show that the biggest odds to win the competition in RL is $67, the biggest in AFL $1001

2) It also supports KE's comment which suggested the gap between top and bottom 6 teams makes AFL for such a lopsided competition. Your links and arguement proove him correct. There are 6 teams in your competion that are at odd ranging from 100/1 to 1001/1, and there are 8 from 18 teams that are 15/1 or less. Nearly spot on KE, great job and good research XMAN
Quote from KE above "The fatcat fools down at AFL HQ came up with ridiculous policies which effectively ensured that there was a massive gap between the top 6 teams and the bottom six teams."

3) 9 out of 16 sides are 15/1 or less in the RL or another way of looking at it more then 55% of the competition are a good chance

4) 8 out of 18 sides are 15/1 or less in AFL or only 44.4% are a chance

5) All of the other 7 sides in RL except 1 are 34/1 or nearly all sides have a some chance

AFL lopsides well yes you just prooved it.

RL lopsided, I don't think so. Parramatta and Penrith who were sportsbet favourite to win the wooden spoon at the start (I have the bets to proove it) of the season both won convincingly in round one. Both teams they beat have had there odds dropped.

Again well done XMAN, great research, excellent job of making youself look stupid and outstanding job of supplying an update which provide evidence based upon your own logic which support KE's comments in this thread =D>

its "you're" a dumbarse, not "your"

I never said the AFL was less lopsided dumbarse. All I did was show Raiderdave was wrong saying the NRL had more sides in contention for the GF

we have more sides plus more expansion sides.

Both comps have the same number of clubs at less than 20 to 1.

Our expansion sides will take a while to develop their team

[Stewie]

4 AFL sides can possibly win the GF........

Nice one!

Dave, lying again or just plain stupid?

Bit of both I think. The imbecile actually believes his bullshit facts.

[King-Eliagh]

Heres some food for thought:

You are saying that 5 to 6 teams are basket cases (basket cases isn't very quantitative of you there mate) and by that I assume you mean their performances on the field have been very poor and have no real chance of improving for a long time. Do you really feel that that is the correct term? I think you mean that they are young and developing, rather then basket cases.

No doubt a few teams struggled in 2012, however you have used the term "the most lopsided year ever (all time) in Australian sport". Firstly how did you come to this conclusion? You got any evidence comparing it to say the 1912 NSWRL (or whatever it was called) or did you just pull that one our of your nether regions? Ive already shown percentage wise the NRL season was more lopsided in pervious posts (dig them up if you want to).

So when I compared AR scores to RL scores and tried to show them in a similar light, I was according to you comparing apples to orranges and according to you im not allowed to do that. The sad thing is that you seam to have no problems using terms like "the most lopsided year of Aussie sport ever" with no real stats. looks to me like you are comparing apples to oranges,to mangos to watermelon, etc, etc, when you compare AR season 2012 to every sporting competition in OZ ever. However this is ok for you to do for some reason.
One rule for you and another for me. Give yourself a big slap for being a hipocrite.

No pies there are basketcases in the AFL comp who I dont see improving to be competitors in this comp for a long time. OF course GWS and the GC are10 years + off making the 8, thats a given. Then you've got melbourne, p ort and brisbane who look little better than the grog bog i pooed out this morning. They've got atleast 5 years of nothing left in em. And then we have the western bulldogs of 2012, they were shite too but I'd be conservative and suggest that the sixth basketcase will chop and change from year to year as a normal wooden spooner might so by the definition you give above pies, id have to say there's only 5 basketcases in the AFL. While this may be only 30 odd percent of the comp, it means that more than half the games of most rounds are dead rubbers. As was the case all last season.

As for the most lopsided sporting comp in aussie sport ever, ive always suggested this may be the case, rather than stating it outright because i dont have proof of that one. But, mind you, it'd hardly be surprising if im right that it has been the most lopsided comp in aussies professional sporting history. :D By the way i think the 1912 nswrl comp cannot be considered a 'professional' comp. But hey, given the stats last season with approx a third of the comp utter basketcases I wouldnt be surprised if there's been a handful of top level amateur comps in this country which have been more lopsided than the AFL comp of 2012

[piesman2011]

Heres some food for thought:

You are saying that 5 to 6 teams are basket cases (basket cases isn't very quantitative of you there mate) and by that I assume you mean their performances on the field have been very poor and have no real chance of improving for a long time. Do you really feel that that is the correct term? I think you mean that they are young and developing, rather then basket cases.

No doubt a few teams struggled in 2012, however you have used the term "the most lopsided year ever (all time) in Australian sport". Firstly how did you come to this conclusion? You got any evidence comparing it to say the 1912 NSWRL (or whatever it was called) or did you just pull that one our of your nether regions? Ive already shown percentage wise the NRL season was more lopsided in pervious posts (dig them up if you want to).

So when I compared AR scores to RL scores and tried to show them in a similar light, I was according to you comparing apples to orranges and according to you im not allowed to do that. The sad thing is that you seam to have no problems using terms like "the most lopsided year of Aussie sport ever" with no real stats. looks to me like you are comparing apples to oranges,to mangos to watermelon, etc, etc, when you compare AR season 2012 to every sporting competition in OZ ever. However this is ok for you to do for some reason.
One rule for you and another for me. Give yourself a big slap for being a hipocrite.

No pies there are basketcases in the AFL comp who I dont see improving to be competitors in this comp for a long time. OF course GWS and the GC are10 years + off making the 8, thats a given. Then you've got melbourne, p ort and brisbane who look little better than the grog bog i pooed out this morning. They've got atleast 5 years of nothing left in em. And then we have the western bulldogs of 2012, they were shite too but I'd be conservative and suggest that the sixth basketcase will chop and change from year to year as a normal wooden spooner might so by the definition you give above pies, id have to say there's only 5 basketcases in the AFL. While this may be only 30 odd percent of the comp, it means that more than half the games of most rounds are dead rubbers. As was the case all last season.

As for the most lopsided sporting comp in aussie sport ever, ive always suggested this may be the case, rather than stating it outright because i dont have proof of that one. But, mind you, it'd hardly be surprising if im right that it has been the most lopsided comp in aussies professional sporting history. :D By the way i think the 1912 nswrl comp cannot be considered a 'professional' comp. But hey, given the stats last season with approx a third of the comp utter basketcases I wouldnt be surprised if there's been a handful of top level amateur comps in this country which have been more lopsided than the AFL comp of 2012

What if one of these in your words basket cases made the top 8 not in the next 5 years but this year KE? What would you say to that?
I've also see that you have back peddled on your most lopsided comp in Aussie sports history. Good for you mate.

[Raiderdave]

1) The links you provided show that the biggest odds to win the competition in RL is $67, the biggest in AFL $1001

wow
& the lesson endith ..... here

[Xman]

1) The links you provided show that the biggest odds to win the competition in RL is $67, the biggest in AFL $1001

wow
& the lesson endith ..... here

So your bottom team has a shot at the GF do they?

Moron! You claimed the NRL had far more teams in contention for the GF than the AFL and I showed you up.

[King-Eliagh]

What if one of these in your words basket cases made the top 8 not in the next 5 years but this year KE? What would you say to that?
I've also see that you have back peddled on your most lopsided comp in Aussie sports history. Good for you mate.

What if? I think the odds are ludicrous there but if one of those five i mentioned did make the 8 then I'd suggest i was wrong, with one of those five teams. But im sure i wont need to be doing that

And pies i gotta apologise. I was a little under the weather yest and musnt have been posting so clearly. I'm not backpeddling on my comment that its likely the AFL 2012 season was the most lopsided in aussie sporting history at all. I was trying to suggest that not only is this likely the case, but youd also prob be able to count on one hand i.e. less than 5, the amount of top level amateur sporting comps in aus sporting history which have been equally or more lopsided. By that i mean including leagues like the wafl, nswrl etc etc etc.

I do hope the AFL try and fix this massive chasm in their league up sooner rather than later. It is nice to see high level credible AFL reps, such as nic maxwell, supporting my statements, albeit after I made them. Any reps higher than Xman, as mod at TF, support your "lets say times them by five" theory that the nrl 2012 comp was more lopsided than the AFL 2012 comp?



Seriously, you're gettin blown outta da water here pies me boy.

[Xman]

What if one of these in your words basket cases made the top 8 not in the next 5 years but this year KE? What would you say to that?
I've also see that you have back peddled on your most lopsided comp in Aussie sports history. Good for you mate.

What if? I think the odds are ludicrous there but if one of those five i mentioned did make the 8 then I'd suggest i was wrong, with one of those five teams. But im sure i wont need to be doing that

And pies i gotta apologise. I was a little under the weather yest and musnt have been posting so clearly. I'm not backpeddling on my comment that its likely the AFL 2012 season was the most lopsided in aussie sporting history at all. I was trying to suggest that not only is this likely the case, but youd also prob be able to count on one hand i.e. less than 5, the amount of top level amateur sporting comps in aus sporting history which have been equally or more lopsided. By that i mean including leagues like the wafl, nswrl etc etc etc.

I do hope the AFL try and fix this massive chasm in their league up sooner rather than later. It is nice to see high level credible AFL reps, such as nic maxwell, supporting my statements, albeit after I made them. Any reps higher than Xman, as mod at TF, support your "lets say times them by five" theory that the nrl 2012 comp was more lopsided than the AFL 2012 comp?



Seriously, you're gettin blown outta da water here pies me boy.

The perception of a "massive chasm", as you so ignorantly have put it, is the result of two new expansion teams that were built with talented youth rather than raping other teams of their established players. Within another 2 years both these new teams will be middle of the ladder. Already we are seeing big improvements this preseason.

You claimed 5 teams were basket cases last year. The lions are clearly not and have beaten some quality opponents in the last 8 months. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they made the finals. The giants and suns will rise quickly and are already showing great signs.

That leaves the demons and bulldogs as struggling teams. Wow, two strugglers out of 18! How lopsided!

[piesman2011]

What if one of these in your words basket cases made the top 8 not in the next 5 years but this year KE? What would you say to that?
I've also see that you have back peddled on your most lopsided comp in Aussie sports history. Good for you mate.

What if? I think the odds are ludicrous there but if one of those five i mentioned did make the 8 then I'd suggest i was wrong, with one of those five teams. But im sure i wont need to be doing that

And pies i gotta apologise. I was a little under the weather yest and musnt have been posting so clearly. I'm not backpeddling on my comment that its likely the AFL 2012 season was the most lopsided in aussie sporting history at all. I was trying to suggest that not only is this likely the case, but youd also prob be able to count on one hand i.e. less than 5, the amount of top level amateur sporting comps in aus sporting history which have been equally or more lopsided. By that i mean including leagues like the wafl, nswrl etc etc etc.

I do hope the AFL try and fix this massive chasm in their league up sooner rather than later. It is nice to see high level credible AFL reps, such as nic maxwell, supporting my statements, albeit after I made them. Any reps higher than Xman, as mod at TF, support your "lets say times them by five" theory that the nrl 2012 comp was more lopsided than the AFL 2012 comp?



Seriously, you're gettin blown outta da water here pies me boy.

I think that it's a flip of the coin that one of your basket cases will make the top 8 this year. I would almost put my house on it for one of them to do so by the end of the 2014 season. I'm not a beating man but I would be happy to put a avatar or signature bet on the second option for sure. GSW for example has 3 number 1 draft picks and will improve a lot more in their second year then GC did. Some of the others like Brisbane and to a lesser extent Melbourne could easily slip into a bottom 8 spot this year.
Wow your all over the place with your " worst year of all time" statement. Get some more sleep or just state that you went a bit over board with that one.
The massive chasm as you put it will align itself with no help from the AFL. GC and GWS will both get 5 to 8 wins each this year and be in contention for the finals next year. I don't know what Maxwell said but I don't even have to guess that you have taken him out of context by attaching him to any statements post 2012 season.

As for NRL a few more easy wins this weekend even worse then any AFL loses from last season. If your team can't score how bad are they?

[King-Eliagh]

GC and GWS will be in contention for finals footy next year!

:_<>

And you're telling me to get some sleep?

As for the rest of your post? Utter dribble. I'm really disappointed in your posting of late pies. If I was ur daddy I'd be worried about what you were doing in your recreational time...i.e drug use. I certainly hope its not but the drop in your conscientiousness is significantly evident in your posting.

Pm me if you need someone to talk to in private pies.

[Dogs]

Well done for officially making yourself look like an idiot XMAN, links above proove to me beyond doubt that your a dumbarse as you are contridicting everything you and pies have said and basically supported the arguement that AFL is more lopsided. Please refer to the following:

1) The links you provided show that the biggest odds to win the competition in RL is $67, the biggest in AFL $1001

2) It also supports KE's comment which suggested the gap between top and bottom 6 teams makes AFL for such a lopsided competition. Your links and arguement proove him correct. There are 6 teams in your competion that are at odd ranging from 100/1 to 1001/1, and there are 8 from 18 teams that are 15/1 or less. Nearly spot on KE, great job and good research XMAN
Quote from KE above "The fatcat fools down at AFL HQ came up with ridiculous policies which effectively ensured that there was a massive gap between the top 6 teams and the bottom six teams."

3) 9 out of 16 sides are 15/1 or less in the RL or another way of looking at it more then 55% of the competition are a good chance

4) 8 out of 18 sides are 15/1 or less in AFL or only 44.4% are a chance

5) All of the other 7 sides in RL except 1 are 34/1 or nearly all sides have a some chance

AFL lopsides well yes you just prooved it.

RL lopsided, I don't think so. Parramatta and Penrith who were sportsbet favourite to win the wooden spoon at the start (I have the bets to proove it) of the season both won convincingly in round one. Both teams they beat have had there odds dropped.

Again well done XMAN, great research, excellent job of making youself look stupid and outstanding job of supplying an update which provide evidence based upon your own logic which support KE's comments in this thread =D>

its "you're" a dumbarse, not "your"

I never said the AFL was less lopsided dumbarse. All I did was show Raiderdave was wrong saying the NRL had more sides in contention for the GF

we have more sides plus more expansion sides.

Both comps have the same number of clubs at less than 20 to 1.

Our expansion sides will take a while to develop their team

So if it is not less lopsided, then that would make it more lopsided, right. Yes you 're a dumb arse XMAN, no matter how you would like to say it. In slang, I am not to sure that somebody would stop and correct someones pronunciation, but if that is all you have got, go with it. It only prooves you are defeated. Although it is a little funny that you try and get intelligent on me now, when we definately know that is not your stronghold.

You have supported everything pies has said, which pretty much suggests that you think RL is more lopsided. And you personally post items to proven pies wrong, well done. Here is your quote sucking way up pies arse.

Scroll back Spam-man these are your words:

well played Pies

its hilarious these fools see a score of 100pts v 50pts and think its more lopsided than 25 v 10.

Such clowns

Therefore, everything I said stands, your own words "you're a dumbarse" spam-man

[Xman]

Well dogs I agree that at the moment the AFL comp is more lopsided, but for good reason. These reasons won't last either as the suns and giants teams mature. However we certainly have just as many teams in contention for the GF.

But my point about the 100 v 50 score was referring to blowout games, of which the NRL have just as many.

Got it yet?

[King-Eliagh]

Beaussie this thread is of ongoing significance and of potential benefit to the future of the AFL competition. Please place it as a 'sticky' thread.

Sheeeeeezus. I just looked up the respective NRL and AFL final 2012 ladders.

The Eels, the cellar dwellars of the NRL, rounded up more wins than 5 AFL basketcasers! Holy shit! What a shocker of a season.

And just for you AFL drones please check out this lovely article my trusty 2012 research assistant 'eels' linked earlier in this thread. It's quite priceless and, if you go back to my opening post, something I predicted in April I think during round 3 of the AFL comp.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/AFL/af ... 6438953739

The picture of superstar GC player Gary Ablett is absolutely priceless and a real descriptor of the potential harm the AFL has done to its players and fans in putting these new teams in without thinking of the consequences. They're getting trounced week in week out. Sad stuff indeed folks so lets get back to the heart of why I started this thread.

Solutions folks! What are the solutions to the almighty chasm within the AFL 'competition'???

[Xman]

Beaussie this thread is of ongoing significance and of potential benefit to the future of the AFL competition. Please place it as a 'sticky' thread.

Sheeeeeezus. I just looked up the respective NRL and AFL final 2012 ladders.

The Eels, the cellar dwellars of the NRL, rounded up more wins than 5 AFL basketcasers! Holy shit! What a shocker of a season.

And just for you AFL drones please check out this lovely article my trusty 2012 research assistant 'eels' linked earlier in this thread. It's quite priceless and, if you go back to my opening post, something I predicted in April I think during round 3 of the AFL comp.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/AFL/af ... 6438953739

The picture of superstar GC player Gary Ablett is absolutely priceless and a real descriptor of the potential harm the AFL has done to its players and fans in putting these new teams in without thinking of the consequences. They're getting trounced week in week out. Sad stuff indeed folks so lets get back to the heart of why I started this thread.

Solutions folks! What are the solutions to the almighty chasm within the AFL 'competition'???

already answered above

[King-Eliagh]

Update

AFL Blowouts 2012

Round 1
GWS 37 - 100 SYD, GCS 68 - 137 ADE
Round 2
BRI 63 - 154 CAR, WCE 166 - 58 MEL, NM 183 - 54 GWS, STK 139 - 47 GCS
Round 3
CAR 122 - 62 COL, RIC 133 - 74 MEL ,WBD 40 - 103 STK, GWS 69 - 150 WCE, HAW 140 - 84 ADE
Round 4
BRI 111 - 46 GCS , GWS 62 - 104 WBD
Round 6
ESS 129 - 62 BRI CAR 110 - 43 GWS
Round 7
MEL 49 - 115 HAW, ADE 122 - 72 GEE, BRI 58 - 116 COL, ESS 113 - 52 WCE,
Round 8
HAW 119 - 63 FRE, SYD 138 - 37 MEL, WBD 72 - 34 GCS, CAR 55 - 124 ADE,
BRI 132 - 40 GWS
Round 9
RIC 137 - 75 HAW, GWS 53 - 119 ESS, CAR 107 - 49 MEL,
Round 10
GEE 126 - 61 GWS, HAW 174 - 59 NM, SYD 132 - 40 WBD, COL 149 - 52 GCS
Round 11 Byes for NM, Brisbane, GWS, WCE, WBD
GCS 49 - 144 STK
Round 12 Byes for Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne Demons, Dockers.
HAW 135 - 70 BRI,
Round 13 Byes for Richmond, Hawthorn, Port Ade, St Kilda, Gold Coast Suns, Carlton.
WBD 56 - 114 BRI, MEL 135 - 57 GWS
Round 14
WCE 166 - 40 GCS, SYD 132 - 38 GWS, ESS 140 - 56 WBD, BRI 122 - 61 MEL
Round 15
SYD 110 - 63 BRI, STK 133 - 62 ESS, POR 58 - 116 ADE, HAW 193 - 31 GWS
Round 16
GWS 59 - 178 ADE, WBD 44 - 116 HAW
Round 17
GEE 134 - 67 ESS, FRE 132 - 37 GWS
Round 18
ESS 86 - 180 HAW, GWS 54 - 174 COL, GCS 54 - 126 SYD, STK 118 - 42 WBD, WCE 175 - 77 BRI Wow 5 games were dead set floggings in 1 round of AFL..
Round 19 OMG NO FLOGGINGS, THIS HAS TO BE A FIRST....
Round 20
RIC 150 - 80 WBD, HAW 159 - 87 POR
Round 21
ESS 60 - 156 CAR, WB 85 - 167 SYD, HAW 129 - 65 GCS


The VFL
13 Brisbane 20 8 0 12 86.27 32
14 Port Adelaide 20 5 0 15 77.15 20
15 Bulldogs 20 5 0 15 68.15 20
16 Melbourne 20 4 0 16 69.81 16
17 Gold Coast 20 2 0 18 60.17 8
18 Greater Western Sydney 20 2 0 18 46.64 8

1. GWS 15 Floggings
2. GCS 10 Floggings
3. WBD 8 Floggings
4. Mel 6 Floggings
5. BRI 6 Floggings

Round 21
P W D L % Pts
1 Sydney 20 16 0 4 149.61 64
2 Hawthorn 20 15 0 5 158.29 60
3 Adelaide 20 15 0 5 125.74 60
4 Collingwood 20 15 0 5 119.28 60
5 West Coast 20 14 0 6 124.97 56
6 North Melbourne 20 13 0 7 115.20 52
7 Geelong 20 13 0 7 114.70 52
8 Fremantle 20 12 0 8 109.61 48
9 Carlton 20 11 0 9 110.52 44
10 Essendon 20 11 0 9 104.14 44
11 St Kilda 20 10 0 10 116.94 40
12 Richmond 20 9 0 11 110.17 36
13 Brisbane 20 8 0 12 86.27 32
14 Port Adelaide 20 5 0 15 77.15 20
15 Bulldogs 20 5 0 15 68.15 20
16 Melbourne 20 4 0 16 69.81 16
17 Gold Coast 20 2 0 18 60.17 8
18 Greater Western Sydney 20 2 0 18 46.64 8

NRL with same points system
Round 24
W L D B PD Pts
1 Bulldogs 17 5 0 2 195 76
2 Storm 15 7 0 2 196 68
3 Rabbitohs 14 8 0 2 77 64
4 Sea Eagles 14 8 0 2 76 64
5 Sharks 12 9 1 2 20 56
6 Cowboys 12 9 0 2 120 56
7 Broncos 11 11 0 2 37 52
8 Tigers 11 11 0 2 -1 52
9 Raiders 11 11 0 2 -39 52
10 Titans 10 12 0 2 -6 48
11 Knights 10 12 0 2 -20 48
12 Dragons 9 12 0 2 -76 44
13 Warriors 8 14 0 2 -60 40
14 Roosters 7 14 1 2 -156 36
15 Panthers 7 15 0 2 -173 36
16 Eels 6 16 0 2 -190 32

Our Toyota cup is more competitive then the AFL...



Pos Team P W L D PF PA PTS
1 Canberra Raiders U20s 22 16 6 0 742 527 36
2 Cant'bury-B'town Bulldogs U20s 22 15 6 1 692 477 35
3 Warriors U20s 22 15 6 1 626 476 35
4 Wests Tigers U20s 22 14 8 0 626 452 32
5 Penrith Panthers U20s 22 13 8 1 582 465 31
6 Sydney Roosters U20s 22 12 8 2 626 518 30
7 St George Illawarra Dragons U2 22 12 9 1 572 495 29
8 South Sydney Rabbitohs U20s 22 12 9 1 630 560 29
9 Melbourne Storm U20s 22 11 9 2 501 520 28
10 Cronulla Sharks U20s 22 11 9 2 579 612 28
11 Newcastle Knights U20s 22 9 12 1 596 520 23
12 Brisbane Broncos U20s 22 7 15 0 564 734 18
13 North Queensland Cowboys U20s 22 6 14 2 493 680 18
14 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles U20s 22 5 15 2 451 772 16
15 Parramatta Eels U20s 22 5 17 0 524 722 14
16 Gold Coast Titans U20s 22 5 17 0 414 688 14

Another fantastic post by my 2012 research assistant "eelsofwest". Yes the NRL 2012 Toyota cup was nowhere near as lopsided as the AFL 2012 season. And I'd say this was the case all over the country in the top level amateur comps.

Big problems here and clear for the AFL guys and we should address it here on TF during 2013. I'll be happy to send a summary of our findings to AFL HQ.