AFL commision failing the AFL public.

[piesman2011]

One of your better postings, Raid!

I will assume that was sarcasm.

[eelofwest]

This really puts things in perspective......


The headline is misleading intentionally, and here is why.

I expect everyone reading this to remember the moment news broke in 2010 that the Melbourne Storm had cheated the salary cap. It didn't take long at all for the Storm to be stripped of 3 minor premierships, 2 premierships, return of $1.5 million dollars, $500,000 dollar fine & stripped of all 2010 premiership points while not being allowed to earn any more for the duration of the season. The Storm had gone over the cap a total of $1.7 million dollars across 5 seasons, the largest excess being $700,000 dollars over in 2010. They have not yet, and probably never will, shake the label of 'cheats' from fans around the world. Memberships were handed in, merchandise was left outside their stadium with fans vowing never to support them again, people were sacked and banned from the game, the NRL itself was brought under fire and all in all the Melbourne Storm were shook to their very foundations.

So for NRL fans, imagine if our competition and fans not only knew this was going on, but happily accepted it. That is what happens in the AFL.

One aspect is the Cost of living allowance. The Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast Suns, GWS Giants & Sydney Swans all have it best. Some higher than others, but none the less, they all are given the right to go over the cap. The reason? The AFL says that as they aren't "heartland" teams they require it to lure players away from Melbourne & Adelaide and deal with the higher cost of living in expensive places like Sydney to set up their new lives. GWS & Sydney rank the highest with an extra 9.8% to spend on players. To put that in NRL terms we might understand, that would put the Melbourne Storm under the cap for pretty much every year they were stripped. It would give the current Storm roster the freedom to roughly sign the likes of Thurston, Barba or Gallen etc.

When the Brisbane Lions won three premierships back to back from 2001 to 2003 they were $750, 000 over the cap. They were the only AFL team to ever successfully hold three Brownlow medal winners (Their version of the Dally M) on the roster at one time. In the 2003 grand final they led at one stage by 80 points. They just simply dominated.

The Sydney Swans were quick to follow. In 2005-2006 they went to back to back grand finals, winning one, and were $550, 000 over the cap at that stage.

The information on how far over the cap these teams were allowed to go is not hidden. It's proudly shown, simple to find, and not at all questioned by anyone.

Even the Swans 2012 grand final victory, you guessed it, way over the cap. This time, it is drawing some questions. Not only have they kept their premiership roster, they're in contract talks with some of the biggest free agents in the game. Some clubs get mad, but no fans mind at all. Here is the Swans looking to sign another star for 2013, and another club over the cap, mad that they cannot afford him while the Swans can with the extra money to spend. The source? AFL.com. Like I said, they aren't shy about it. http://www.AFL.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
Looking at the comments on the AFL facebook page (where this link was posted, and states in the headline that they are over the cap) every fan seems brightly aware how far over the Lions & Swans have been in their success, but nobody is overly mad, just taking a few swipes. Nobody is calling for fairness. They just accept it. I don't understand that. It seems lunacy.

In another instance, when the Suns and Giants signed K & Izzy respectively, neither player was included in the salary cap on top of the living allowance they already had. So even with the cost of living allowance, it doesn't stop there. Who knows what else is allowed.

It has clearly had it's effect. Between 2000 and 2012 the AFL grand final has been won 5 times by the two teams highest over the cap. Those two teams (Sydney & Brisbane) have been in the grand final 50% of the time.

So my big point on this, is simply is it right? Are they buying their expansion clubs premierships to assist the growth of the game? Is there ANY honor in a team winning the competition when they are so far over? Could you support a competition that allowed this? How would you feel if your club was struggling to win, even survive, while others got this advantage? Pretty much anything you'd like to add, I'd be interested to hear if I am the only one who thinks this is, pardon my French, completely fucked up.


Does the AFL have any cred left really??????????

And more reason to backup this article.....

http://www.AFL.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Greater Western Sydney has the first three picks, with Melbourne at selection No.4. The Western Bulldogs have picks No.5 and No.6 while Port Adelaide, the Brisbane Lions, Richmond and Essendon fill out the remaining selections in the top 10.

Wow way to rig a competition AFLHQ.....credibility ggggggggggoooooooooonnnnnnneeeeeee

[Xman]

So all you guys are laughing at the giants saying theyre a shambles but your now laughing that theyre getting high draft picks?



That's how you build a team. Established clubs have had years to build their teams through many drafts. Of course the giants will get concessions until they start to mature as a club

[Raiderdave]

So all you guys are laughing at the giants saying theyre a shambles but your now laughing that theyre getting high draft picks?



That's how you build a team. Established clubs have had years to build their teams through many drafts. Of course the giants will get concessions until they start to mature as a club

start to mature as a club

wot a load of sh.it

don't recall the titans ever getting another 10% to spend in their cap over the rest of the NRL sides
same with the Cowboys ... Western Reds or Warriors

the Storm did anyway & got hammered from a great height as a result.

the vFL has 2 sets of rules for unevening the playing field
not only do they allow sides to spend more then others .... on top..they restrict access to available talent , keeping it for these sides too

just get the other sides to play with one arm tied behind their backs & be done with it .. it'd save the VFL a mountain of $$$$$$$$
a joke
the VFL is an utter ... joke

[Xman]

So all you guys are laughing at the giants saying theyre a shambles but your now laughing that theyre getting high draft picks?



That's how you build a team. Established clubs have had years to build their teams through many drafts. Of course the giants will get concessions until they start to mature as a club

start to mature as a club

wot a load of sh.it

don't recall the titans ever getting another 10% to spend in their cap over the rest of the NRL sides
same with the Cowboys ... Western Reds or Warriors

the Storm did anyway & got hammered from a great height as a result.

the vFL has 2 sets of rules for unevening the playing field
not only do they allow sides to spend more then others .... on top..they restrict access to available talent , keeping it for these sides too

just get the other sides to play with one arm tied behind their backs & be done with it .. it'd save the VFL a mountain of $$$$$$$$
a joke
the VFL is an utter ... joke

i asked you this question before but you ignored it.

Other than extra draft picks how do you suggest they create 2 brand new clubs?

The same concessions were made for the power and dockers when they began, and they were in AFL heartland.

[Striker]

2. Brisbane won their GFs as a result of their super team which was established due to the merger of Brisbane and Fitzroy

SUPER TEAM????? How many players made it anyway? Less than a freaking dozen!!

Super team my arse!!

[Xman]

2. Brisbane won their GFs as a result of their super team which was established due to the merger of Brisbane and Fitzroy

SUPER TEAM????? How many players made it anyway? Less than a freaking dozen!!

Super team my arse!!

Hmmm, Alistair lynch, Chris Johnson to name two. Both made all Australian and were instrumental in Brisbanes great side. They also traded many ex Fitzroy players for early draft picks.

[Striker]

Oh what a big deal! TWO players! You are grabbing at straws, X! They traded the others because they WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! ANd like I said it was less than a dozen, total! How big was an AFL list then? God almighty, man!

[Xman]

Oh what a big deal! TWO players! You are grabbing at straws, X! They traded the others because they WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! ANd like I said it was less than a dozen, total! How big was an AFL list then? God almighty, man!

put 2 all australian players in any team and they go from top 6 material to premiers. Add the depth of a number of high draft picks due to trades using ex fitzroy players and you get a team good enough to have a dynasty.

[eelofwest]

Infant AFL clubs are over-indulged, sayd Eddie McGuire

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/AFL/more-ne ... 6518756208

Glenn McFarlane
From: Sunday Mail (SA)
November 18, 2012 12:00AM

Eddie McGuire

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire says the expansion clubs get too many concessions. Picture: Wayne Ludbey. Herald Sun

COLLINGWOOD president Eddie McGuire has warned the AFL that it should consider repealing long-term concessions for Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney.
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Fearful both teams could become competition superpowers, McGuire has declared his next "crusade" in his push for equality and an unencumbered draft and salary cap that sits with the start-up AFL clubs.

"The AFL has got to be quick to work out whether they have given GWS and Gold Coast too much," McGuire said.

"We have given the AFL the imprimatur to give them the best possible start, but if it ever gets to the stage - and I think we are getting close to it - they need to look at it.

"I trust the AFL to do the right thing ... but if they (the two clubs) have taken a position that is counter to what was intended - to build a super team that will dominate - we have to start looking at it and read the play about what is going on."

Fresh from having a win on the Chris Judd-Visy deal, which the AFL has declared must now be a part of Carlton's salary cap, McGuire said he wanted to keep fighting AFL inequalities.

"This is not about Collingwood, it is about giving a level playing field for all clubs," he said. "To be honest, the clubs that are being smashed are Melbourne and the Bulldogs.

"The AFL has done a lot of things to compete against rugby league, rugby union and soccer, and I applaud them for doing it. But at some stage we have to be careful that we are not running a marketing competition - we are running a football competition.

"The best times we have had in football was when we had an unencumbered draft, when there was no salary cap inequalities, except for the Judd one, and when the system was working as it was intended to.

"We had record ratings, attendances and memberships. We have to get back to that system as quickly as possible."

McGuire is concerned that Gold Coast and GWS have been able to "stockpile" young talent in a way that was not intended when the rules were made.

And he fears for the future of some clubs as a chasm between the haves and have-nots grows wider by the year.

Both new clubs have extra players on their lists and salary cap allowances in their infancy - with the Gold Coast's concessions set to expire in 2014 and GWS's in 2018.

McGuire said the inflationary market could account for why Adelaide was tempted to do everything in its power to try and keep Kurt Tippett.


Even Eddie can see what is going on, AFL commission failing the fans and the integrity of the AFL Gooooooooonnnneeeeeeeee....

Good job Eddie, he loves this code and does not want to see its integrity tarnished the way it is atm.

[Xman]

Where exactly does Eddie say the AFLs integrity is gone?

All he is saying is that in his opinion they may have over done it. Remember, he has a vested interest being a club president, so he's hardly looking at it objectively.

If the AFL have overdone it, and loaded particularly the giants with too many good players, free agency and the salary cap will even it out by itself.

The AFL are going through growing pains. In time things will settle and they will be far better off in the long run

[Striker]

Oh what a big deal! TWO players! You are grabbing at straws, X! They traded the others because they WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! ANd like I said it was less than a dozen, total! How big was an AFL list then? God almighty, man!

put 2 all australian players in any team and they go from top 6 material to premiers. Add the depth of a number of high draft picks due to trades using ex fitzroy players and you get a team good enough to have a dynasty.

Oh you are so full of it! I checked Wikipedia and the Bears finished EIGHTH in 1997 in the first year of this so called dynasty! Do us a favour and admit you're wrong huh?

[Xman]

Oh what a big deal! TWO players! You are grabbing at straws, X! They traded the others because they WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! ANd like I said it was less than a dozen, total! How big was an AFL list then? God almighty, man!

put 2 all australian players in any team and they go from top 6 material to premiers. Add the depth of a number of high draft picks due to trades using ex fitzroy players and you get a team good enough to have a dynasty.

Oh you are so full of it! I checked Wikipedia and the Bears finished EIGHTH in 1997 in the first year of this so called dynasty! Do us a favour and admit you're wrong huh?

so you checked wiki and now youre an expert?

Merge 2 teams and you will always create a better single team. Combine good players from Brisbane with All Australians from the Lions and they made a great side.

How many All Australians are in an average team? 1 to 2.

Make that 4 by combining teams and you get a very good side.

[Striker]

Four out of 22?? Wah wah wah! I don't need to be an expert to see pure numbers like that! You show me a team of 22 that will be a guaranteed premiership winning combination with 4 All Australians! And you know as well as I do that Fitzroy would have had NONE after 1996!! If they did get one in I'll call the AFL a joke!

[Xman]

Four out of 22?? Wah wah wah! I don't need to be an expert to see pure numbers like that! You show me a team of 22 that will be a guaranteed premiership winning combination with 4 All Australians! And you know as well as I do that Fitzroy would have had NONE after 1996!! If they did get one in I'll call the AFL a joke!

Ah Ive already shown Fitzroys All Australian players.

Add two all Australians to any finalist team and youll get a great team, especially if one is a full-forward. 4 of 22 yes but thats 4 elite players. Most only have a few at most. Teams like Geelong have had 4 or more and thats why they were also a great side and have had an era of success.