The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[Xman]

Yes Helen cite these examples all you like, fact is, defending oneself physically is an innate and necessary part of being human. Doesnt matter what sensationalised fear driven media you throw at us, it'll be this way till long past your time here. And blanket rulings along with hysterical folk such as Helen only distort and confuse this human reality. The blanket ruling will never stop violent acts from occurring. The blanket ruling will confuse justice, as was the case in the hawks game on the weekend where schoenmaker knocked down a bloke after he made a very high sickening and illegal hit. He just gave him a bit of a shoulder charge to let him know his high shot was not on. The ump turned the ruling in favour of the bloke who made the high hit resulting in a goal. Absolutely woeful the result going to a bloke who made an illegal and sickening shot in the first place and a perfect example of the flawed blanket ruling in the AFL. Could have turned the result of the game...

So if someone is punching you in the carpark of a RL game is it ok to stab them?

And we arent just talking self defence here. Youre talking about fighting on the field.

Schoenmakers was penalised for taking innapropriate action. The umpire had already penalised the original perpetrator. Why doesn Schoenmakers believe he needs to take it further? He shouldnt. It upscales a minor incident into something potentially out of control. But youd love this wouldnt you. Itd be great to see everyone fighting, someone KO'd, even a few sent to hospital with injuries. Maybe someone lose sight in their eye due to a major orbital fracture.

Great stuff!

[King-Eliagh]

Hahaha the questions you pose are getting more and more ridiculous and hysterical by the minute Helen. keep em coming!

Its not ok to carry concealed weapons such as knives, that's the law, so no it is not ok to stab someone. But if someone is punching you in the car park it sure as hell is ok to give em a bit o biff back.

The fact the bloke who conducted the original illegal hit in the hawthorn match got a penalty in his favour was a complete injustice. In addition to that the bloke he hit had to leave the field. So for his efforts he was given a penalty and knocked one of the opposition players out of the game. Yeah tops ruling eh Helen?

Schoenmakers biff was harmless and imo warranted. Players who make sickeningly illegal intentional high shots like that deserve to know that they might get some back if they do it again, rather than a penalty in their favour...what a farcical situation indeed!

And Helen you hysterical bitch, can you cite me an example of an NRLor AFL incident involving biff where someone lost their sight? I think it may have happened in normal play before though. Again I think you're a fan of a sport which doesnt match your hysterical nature. Curling is a nice winter sport you might fancy Helen?

[Xman]

Hahaha the questions you pose are getting more and more ridiculous and hysterical by the minute Helen. keep em coming!

Its not ok to carry concealed weapons such as knives, that's the law, so no it is not ok to stab someone. But if someone is punching you in the car park it sure as hell is ok to give em a bit o biff back.

The fact the bloke who conducted the original illegal hit in the hawthorn match got a penalty in his favour was a complete injustice. In addition to that the bloke he hit had to leave the field. So for his efforts he was given a penalty and knocked one of the opposition players out of the game. Yeah tops ruling eh Helen?

Schoenmakers biff was harmless and imo warranted. Players who make sickeningly illegal intentional high shots like that deserve to know that they might get some back if they do it again, rather than a penalty in their favour...what a farcical situation indeed!

And Helen you hysterical bitch, can you cite me an example of an NRLor AFL incident involving biff where someone lost their sight? I think it may have happened in normal play before though. Again I think you're a fan of a sport which doesnt match your hysterical nature. Curling is a nice winter sport you might fancy Helen?

No, Schoenmakers needed to let the umpire control the play and decide the penalty.

So you must be furious that the Junior RL authorities have banned all these players for fighting. After all, it's their right to smash each other, step on heads, cause injury, all in the name of harmless fun for the kids. why do you think they've been treated so unfairly when fighting is just good old fashion fun?

[King-Eliagh]

Smashing eachother is part of the game of RL Helen, as it is in Marngrook also. Injuries are caused each and every single game of both sports, so why do you follow them Helen? If this sort of thing disturbs you so much? Do you propose we take all contact out of the sports also Helen?

Fighting is not "good ol fashioned fun" its awesome business, charged by human instinct. It's natural, is the biffo. A natural human element.

Schoenmakers acted out of instinct and respect for his fellow player. He acted appropriately, as many humans would. Nothing wrong with his action whatsoever...except for if you're playing under the AFL rules

Players should be banned for senseless fighting, nothing wrong with that ruling

[Xman]

Smashing eachother is part of the game of RL Helen, as it is in Marngrook also. Injuries are caused each and every single game of both sports, so why do you follow them Helen? If this sort of thing disturbs you so much? Do you propose we take all contact out of the sports also Helen?

Fighting is not "good ol fashioned fun" its awesome business, charged by human instinct. It's natural, is the biffo. A natural human element.

Schoenmakers acted out of instinct and respect for his fellow player. He acted appropriately, as many humans would. Nothing wrong with his action whatsoever...except for if you're playing under the AFL rules

Players should be banned for senseless fighting, nothing wrong with that ruling

Inuries from contact within the rules of the sport are unavoidable. What is avoidable is injuries from fighting because fighting is not part of the game. Its not hard to see the difference, even for you.

Fighting might seem good ol fashion fun but it causes injury or worse and sets a very bad example. Fighting also escalates to more serious assault, maybe not on the footy field, but certainly in the community. Allowing it in sport essentially says to fans that this behaviour is permissable in society. Yet the law totally disagrees.

Shoenmakers may have acted out of instinct but since when does that mean he was right? Its against the rules to remonstrate. He knows these rules. The umpire is responsible for punishing illegal behaviour. The players arent allowed to be judge and jury. Theyre hardly objective. He was in the wrong and cost his team

[King-Eliagh]

Allowing it [defending yourself through biffo] in sport essentially says to fans that this behaviour is permissable in society. Yet the law totally disagrees.

No youre wrong on both counts. Defending yourself against extreme and violent unsportsmanlike behaviour through a bit of biffo to the noggin of the perpetrator essentially says to fans and society that as human beings an important value for all of us is to stand up for ourselves and our mates in these nasty situations.

And the law completely endorses such behaviour. It's called self defence. If someone is belting the snot out of me without provocation or appropriate reason and I deck em, breaking their nose in the process, the law essentially says "well done KE" and not even a slap on the wrist is given to me. The law/lawyers will then go about prosecuting the wanker who started trouble. This is morally and ethically sound and the same should be applied on a footy field, as it is in the NRL ...and not in the AFL

[Xman]

Allowing it [defending yourself through biffo] in sport essentially says to fans that this behaviour is permissable in society. Yet the law totally disagrees.

No youre wrong on both counts. Defending yourself against extreme and violent unsportsmanlike behaviour through a bit of biffo to the noggin of the perpetrator essentially says to fans and society that as human beings an important value for all of us is to stand up for ourselves and our mates in these nasty situations.

And the law completely endorses such behaviour. It's called self defence. If someone is belting the snot out of me without provocation or appropriate reason and I deck em, breaking their nose in the process, the law essentially says "well done KE" and not even a slap on the wrist is given to me. The law/lawyers will then go about prosecuting the wanker who started trouble. This is morally and ethically sound and the same should be applied on a footy field, as it is in the NRL ...and not in the AFL

Defending yourself against extreme violence is one scenario. What about reacting with violence when someone is looking at your girlfriend, or in your case boyfriend? Or cutting you off in traffic? Or stealing your car park? Or bumping you and spilling your beer?

When people think that violence is the answer to these confrontations this is illegal. You hear situations like this that escalate until someone gets seriously hurt, or even killed. This is the sort of thing you see in the NRL. A niggle, shove or accidental collision then suddenly its on. Pathetic reaction to nothing. Its outlawed in society and rightly so. Maybe one day the RL community will catch up.

[King-Eliagh]

Hahaha aaahhh Helen you cite examples I agree with Above but you are too frightened to accept my point. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone looking at them wrong then the player doing the biff rightly is punished. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone coat hanging them or their team mate on purpose then they are excused... As they should be and as they would be in society. AFL? Different story. The coat hangee is stretchered off the field while his team mates look on helpless and a free kick is given while the culprit roams free to do it again.

Thanks for making this oh so easy Helen

[Xman]

Hahaha aaahhh Helen you cite examples I agree with Above but you are too frightened to accept my point. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone looking at them wrong then the player doing the biff rightly is punished. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone coat hanging them or their team mate on purpose then they are excused... As they should be and as they would be in society. AFL? Different story. The coat hangee is stretchered off the field while his team mates look on helpless and a free kick is given while the culprit roams free to do it again.

Thanks for making this oh so easy Helen

There is no reason to allow fighting in a RL game. No ones life is being threatened. No one is defending themselves against death, they're just reacting to a first cheap shot. You examples are pathetic.

[King-Eliagh]

Hahaha aaahhh Helen you cite examples I agree with Above but you are too frightened to accept my point. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone looking at them wrong then the player doing the biff rightly is punished. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone coat hanging them or their team mate on purpose then they are excused... As they should be and as they would be in society. AFL? Different story. The coat hangee is stretchered off the field while his team mates look on helpless and a free kick is given while the culprit roams free to do it again.

Thanks for making this oh so easy Helen

There is no reason to allow fighting in a RL game. No ones life is being threatened. No one is defending themselves against death, they're just reacting to a first cheap shot. You examples are pathetic.

Aarrgghhhahahaha Helen you contradictory ho. First you hysterically yell and scream that a bit of good ol fashioned biff causes death or blindness, then you claim no one's life is under threat on the footy field

My first video shows an injury in normal play which I'd say is triple the injury any on field biff has ever caused.

My second video shows a series of intentional cheap shots which again cause much more severe injuries than a bit of biff. An on field penalty is simply not enough for these disgraces. I mean the AFL dont even send players off do they? Shocking system. Biff would reduce the rate of these sort of cheap shots occurring in the game today.

My third video shows a bit of good ol fashioned biff (apart from brett stuarts dog act) where noone got hurt more than perhaps a shiner. <>'





Helen you've gone completely hysterical if you think biff where both men are aware and ready to confront eachother is more dangerous than the cheap shots in vid 2. Biff has a place in the sport and must live on! It's beautiful raw emotion on the sporting field, something we should all love and cherish together with our families and little ones.

[Xman]

Hahaha aaahhh Helen you cite examples I agree with Above but you are too frightened to accept my point. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone looking at them wrong then the player doing the biff rightly is punished. If a rl player reacts with biff to someone coat hanging them or their team mate on purpose then they are excused... As they should be and as they would be in society. AFL? Different story. The coat hangee is stretchered off the field while his team mates look on helpless and a free kick is given while the culprit roams free to do it again.

Thanks for making this oh so easy Helen

There is no reason to allow fighting in a RL game. No ones life is being threatened. No one is defending themselves against death, they're just reacting to a first cheap shot. You examples are pathetic.

Aarrgghhhahahaha Helen you contradictory ho. First you hysterically yell and scream that a bit of good ol fashioned biff causes death or blindness, then you claim no one's life is under threat on the footy field

My first video shows an injury in normal play which I'd say is triple the injury any on field biff has ever caused.

My second video shows a series of intentional cheap shots which again cause much more severe injuries than a bit of biff. An on field penalty is simply not enough for these disgraces. I mean the AFL dont even send players off do they? Shocking system. Biff would reduce the rate of these sort of cheap shots occurring in the game today.

My third video shows a bit of good ol fashioned biff (apart from brett stuarts dog act) where noone got hurt more than perhaps a shiner. <>'





Helen you've gone completely hysterical if you think biff where both men are aware and ready to confront eachother is more dangerous than the cheap shots in vid 2. Biff has a place in the sport and must live on! It's beautiful raw emotion on the sporting field, something we should all love and cherish together with our families and little ones.

you just fail to understand. Your justifications for violence are when people are defending themselves against a serious assault or a threat of death.

How is that relevant on the sports field?? No one is under threat of serious assault or death initially. They only react to insignificant contact or insult that may bruise their egos. Then one hits the other and its on. This is not a decent justification for violence!

Your 3rd video is a classic example of what I am talking about. The fight starts from nothing, just a few incidental pushes. It escalates into a massive brawl the likes of which we see copied at junior level. Why did the fight occur? Were these players forced to defend their lives or a loved one? NO! They were punching on live crazed animals wanting blood.

Pathetic!

[King-Eliagh]

So the contact in vid two is "insignificant" now helen? You really are a tool

[Xman]

So the contact in vid two is "insignificant" now helen? You really are a tool

It's contact as part of the play. The only way to stop contact like this is to make the sport non contact which would change the sport entirely. How you can honestly compare that to the disgraceful punchups in the 3rd video is beyond me Stopping punchups is easy. You severely punish any player involved in the punch up. Would it change the sport? No. It would still be RL. But it would clean it up and maybe even stop some of the copy cat juniors and crowd carrying on the same way.

[King-Eliagh]

Yes I cant compare it to the biff in vid three because the seriousness of the injuries resulting are like chalk and cheese. The on field biff has never hurt anyone in comparison to the cheap shot. The biff is a comparatively safe way to ensure cheap shots occur less.

Unless we have biff, cheap shot beget cheap shots Helen. I got that one from your and book

[Xman]

Yes I cant compare it to the biff in vid three because the seriousness of the injuries resulting are like chalk and cheese. The on field biff has never hurt anyone in comparison to the cheap shot. The biff is a comparatively safe way to ensure cheap shots occur less.

Unless we have biff, cheap shot beget cheap shots Helen. I got that one from your and book

What? The damage of on field punchups is more than just the injury to players on the field. Its the example to other RL players and the community overall, since they copy the same behaviour.

youre too stupid to see the connection.