The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[King-Eliagh]

Omg. ... ... I do have to say what I've said umpteen times already in this thread... ... Again. Xman aka Galen love joy it is not ok to throw punches in rl. It's against the rules. But when the circumstances warrant biff, for example a highly unsportsmanlike and dangerous act takes place, then biffo is looked leniently upon and the original perpetrator is punished more.

So to answer ur dumby dumb dumb q's. Yes I can see the contradiction but that's only so when a player belts someone in the noggin for no reason.
And yes juniors should be allowed to throw punches if and when the circumstances warrant such retaliation.

It's beautiful rl players are able to stick up for themselves.

[Striker]

Maybe the children need better parents to teach them the difference. Or are you recommending a nanny state, X?

[Xman]

Omg. ... ... I do have to say what I've said umpteen times already in this thread... ... Again. Xman aka Galen love joy it is not ok to throw punches in rl. It's against the rules. But when the circumstances warrant biff, for example a highly unsportsmanlike and dangerous act takes place, then biffo is looked leniently upon and the original perpetrator is punished more.

So to answer ur dumby dumb dumb q's. Yes I can see the contradiction but that's only so when a player belts someone in the noggin for no reason.
And yes juniors should be allowed to throw punches if and when the circumstances warrant such retaliation.

It's beautiful rl players are able to stick up for themselves.

WOW Just WOW!

Do other NRL fans here believe juniors should be allowed to throw punches?

What stupid stupid logic in todays society where we know the consequences of such behaviour.

[Striker]

El, children don't know when the right time is. That's why it gets out of hand down there. Parents should tell their children to not copy what they see on TV.

[Xman]

El, children don't know when the right time is. That's why it gets out of hand down there. Parents should tell their children to not copy what they see on TV.

This is the problem. If its allowed in professional league kids think its appropriate behaviour in normal life. They grow up thinking the appropriate answer to conflict is violence. In society it NEVER is.

KE is going one step further. Hes not only condoning fighting in the NRL hes condoning it in junior leagues.

Unbelievable!!!

[King-Eliagh]

Striker I think you give children too little credit as to their instinctual violent tendencies. I know I and pretty much every kid i knew was very well restrained on and off the footy fields we played on.

Now let me tell you all a lovely story which relates to the violence i condone. It's about our school bully. This ***** was bigger than everyone else and at the age of 11 thought he could basically physically intimidate other kids for enjoyment. He really liked getting others in headlocks, pulling ears, shoving kids around, that sort of thing. He had me one day in front of others at lunch in a head lock which i couldnt get out of. This had happened on a few other days and due to his size I had just shurgged it off and walked away, feeling pretty shite. But this time after he let me go i snotted him in the noggin, a nice snappy jab, nothing too powerful. It shocked the bastard to tears, literally.

Now we all know from helen lovejoys arguments in this thread that she would say I shouldnt have done this and should have reported him. Thing is, in the school yards, this has been proven to be less effective than standing up for yourself time and time and time...and time and time...and time again. Fact.

So forget what this Xman/aka hysterical helen lovejoy is shreiking about above, it means diddly squat. If the circumstances warrant it, children should be encouraged to defend themselves and their mates, physically, both on the sporting field and off. As should adults.

[Xman]

Striker I think you give children too little credit as to their instinctual violent tendencies. I know I and pretty much every kid i knew was very well restrained on and off the footy fields we played on.

Now let me tell you all a lovely story which relates to the violence i condone. It's about our school bully. This ***** was bigger than everyone else and at the age of 11 thought he could basically physically intimidate other kids for enjoyment. He really liked getting others in headlocks, pulling ears, shoving kids around, that sort of thing. He had me one day in front of others at lunch in a head lock which i couldnt get out of. This had happened on a few other days and due to his size I had just shurgged it off and walked away, feeling pretty shite. But this time after he let me go i snotted him in the noggin, a nice snappy jab, nothing too powerful. It shocked the bastard to tears, literally.

Now we all know from helen lovejoys arguments in this thread that she would say I shouldnt have done this and should have reported him. Thing is, in the school yards, this has been proven to be less effective than standing up for yourself time and time and time...and time and time...and time again. Fact.

So forget what this Xman/aka hysterical helen lovejoy is shreiking about above, it means diddly squat. If the circumstances warrant it, children should be encouraged to defend themselves and their mates, physically, both on the sporting field and off. As should adults.

So kids should be allowed to punch on....

Amazing. Isn't this against school rules? Isn't assault in general a criminal offence?

I wonder who created those silly rules and laws?

Sheesh you're a bogan!

[King-Eliagh]

When circumstances warrant it, ALL humans should and are allowed to defend themselves and others human rights. It's mandated in the law Helen. You'll also find in schools that if a child is being physically bullied that any principal and teacher worth their salary will take into account the circumstances of a child standing up for themselves and act more leniently upon them than the instigator.

The AFL have got it completely wrong Helen, admit it.

You're the odd woman out here Helen. Completely hysterical, you should be placed in a dungeon, away from society.

Now before responding I sugest you settle down, have a cup o' chamomile and read what I've written. It's all completely reasonable. You're losing badly here by jumping to conclusions such as "KE wants kids to punch on". I've not said anything of the sort. I simply believe that all humans should be allowed to defend theirs and others human rights physically. This will inevitably occur more on a field where violent sports take place. The biff? It's totally normal and understandable at times. Unsolicited biff? Well that's not condoned by me or the NRL

[Xman]

When circumstances warrant it, ALL humans should and are allowed to defend themselves and others human rights. It's mandated in the law Helen. You'll also find in schools that if a child is being physically bullied that any principal and teacher worth their salary will take into account the circumstances of a child standing up for themselves and act more leniently upon them than the instigator.

The AFL have got it completely wrong Helen, admit it.

You're the odd woman out here Helen. Completely hysterical, you should be placed in a dungeon, away from society.

Now before responding I sugest you settle down, have a cup o' chamomile and read what I've written. It's all completely reasonable. You're losing badly here by jumping to conclusions such as "KE wants kids to punch on". I've not said anything of the sort. I simply believe that all humans should be allowed to defend theirs and others human rights physically. This will inevitably occur more on a field where violent sports take place. The biff? It's totally normal and understandable at times. Unsolicited biff? Well that's not condoned by me or the NRL

Firstly, bullying is a different situation from allowing on field fist fights. Further, where do you draw the line? Is it ok to stab someone who is bullying you? Is that ok since its special circumstances?

If its ok for kids to fight in sport why is it outlawed? Why the media hysteria when fights occur?

Rugby league endured some of its most shameful scenes, as the Greater Brisbane Junior Rugby League grand final day descended into violent chaos that required police intervention.

"The image I can't get out my head is when I was signing the game sheet, I turned around to see one my players king hit then kicked while he was on the ground. A safety officer jumped in to help him and he was knocked to the ground and had his head stomped on while laying on my player," Cherry said.

"There should be minimum five year bans handed out to a number of players from Waterford. "People think they have a right to participate in sport, we are looking to take that privilege away from people who behave inappropriately.

"If people are going to go to matches and behave violently than we have to stop then we have to find ways to stop them from coming."

http://www.news.com.au/national/greater ... 6474871274

This is one of many articles that condemn fighting in junior sport. Seems like your opinion is not only disgraceful its completely out of step with community attitudes. And dont say this is just one opinion. There are many articles just like this.

[Xman]

SIX teenage rugby league players are facing severe suspensions - including possible life bans - after horrific brawls in junior grand finals at the weekend.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nation ... 6476077577

Hmm, life bans. These officals dont seem to be ok with juniors fighting KE.

[Xman]

He said the fracas was the second all-in brawl to mar a rugby league match in Canterbury this year and spectator behaviour had to improve.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/ ... gby-league

More violence at RL games that is considered a serious problem.

Seems like not many people agree with your attitude KE.

[King-Eliagh]

Helen's in one of her hysterical phaes again folks

[Xman]

A JUNIOR rugby league player was last night banned from the sport for 20 years after attacking another player during a vicious grand final brawl.

The 16-year-old Blacktown City player faced the judiciary last night after the all-in fight, which left 16-year-old Lower Mountains player Miki Hughes with a broken nose and suspected eye fracture.

Two other Blacktown City players who faced the judiciary were suspended for five years and another of their was teammates ousted for two years.

The brawl is the third violent incident involving teams from the Blacktown City junior rugby league club this season.

In July, two men were charged after an assault in a carpark following an under-12s game.

A Blacktown supporter also allegedly grabbed a 13-year-old player from Katoomba on the neck on the same weekend.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 5778401395

Why are they banning kids for 20yrs if fighting is all A OK KE?

Community frowns on this behaviour. Yet you think its all fine.....

[Xman]

Helen's in one of her hysterical phaes again folks

Im just quoting articles KE. These articles show how pathetic you attitude is!

[King-Eliagh]

Yes Helen cite these examples all you like, fact is, defending oneself physically is an innate and necessary part of being human. Doesnt matter what sensationalised fear driven media you throw at us, it'll be this way till long past your time here. And blanket rulings along with hysterical folk such as Helen only distort and confuse this human reality. The blanket ruling will never stop violent acts from occurring. The blanket ruling will confuse justice, as was the case in the hawks game on the weekend where schoenmaker knocked down a bloke after he made a very high sickening and illegal hit. He just gave him a bit of a shoulder charge to let him know his high shot was not on. The ump turned the ruling in favour of the bloke who made the high hit resulting in a goal. Absolutely woeful the result going to a bloke who made an illegal and sickening shot in the first place and a perfect example of the flawed blanket ruling in the AFL. Could have turned the result of the game...