The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[King-Eliagh]

No offside in RL would make it easy for refs to keep an eye on most of the 26 players on the ground. Players would rarely come into contact with other players except to tackle them. The cheap shots in my opinion happen in RL when theres a sholder charge or when a player tries something during or straight after a tackle. There is an attitude in RL to try to hurt your opposition when they have the ball which is similar to AFL. Cheap shots happen in RL quite a lot however they are rarely punches to the back of the head because your opposition are pretty much always facing you and players dont man up the way they do in AFL.

This is not really on topic pies. But i see what you're trying to get at. Thing is though the offside rule contains players where refs can see them more easily.

[TLPG]

AFL has been in the thugby heartland only for a short period of time to give an alternative. When I have time I'll be doing a check of numbers in the juniors of the CRL - and I expect it to have dropped in places like Tamworth, Gunnedah, Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Port Macquarie, Lismore, Ballina, Byron Bay, Nowra, Batemans Bay, Cooma and the Sapphire Coast. And maybe Newcastle and Wollongong but with an NRL presence maybe not.

[King-Eliagh]

AFL has been in the thugby heartland only for a short period of time to give an alternative. When I have time I'll be doing a check of numbers in the juniors of the CRL - and I expect it to have dropped in places like Tamworth, Gunnedah, Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Port Macquarie, Lismore, Ballina, Byron Bay, Nowra, Batemans Bay, Cooma and the Sapphire Coast. And maybe Newcastle and Wollongong but with an NRL presence maybe not.

Yes that research would be great. But you're not the man to do it, you're bias knows know bounds and you have a pair of bosoms where your eyes should be. Pies any chance you could find this data?

[TLPG]

When I do it I will provide neutral links (and not from Wikipedia either) that you can't dispute.

[King-Eliagh]

Yes more proof I'm right. The changing nature of violence in the AFL continues to illustrate appalling acts which in yesteryear would have resulted in a good flogging from opposition team members. Now? Not even a suspension for stomping. Dear oh dear what's happened to this sport?

And below the most recent and worst unpunished act ive seen for some time.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/AFL/AFL ... 24krp.html

[TLPG]

No, this is not proof that you're right. Whilst both instances should have been slapped with suspensions, players on all sides should be commended for keeping their cool and leaving it to the authorities to deal with it. Even if they got it wrong. Let's see what happens over the summer.

Has anyone seen any complaints from fans in the papers about this? That will be a factor.

[Xman]

Yes more proof I'm right. The changing nature of violence in the AFL continues to illustrate appalling acts which in yesteryear would have resulted in a good flogging from opposition team members. Now? Not even a suspension for stomping. Dear oh dear what's happened to this sport?

And below the most recent and worst unpunished act ive seen for some time.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/AFL/AFL ... 24krp.html

You believe in vigilanty acts do you? Join us in the 21st century when you can.

[King-Eliagh]

Vigiliante acts You really dont understand what its like to be a player. I know you claim you've played before, along with TLPG, but I'd say the pair of you never got past under 8s auskick. In a sport which is inherently violent it is quite instinctual to retaliate when acts like this occur. In fact I heard a player/commentator say just that a few weeks back. To aim to completely rub out this player instinct to address foul play with a physical response is quite backward and what should be considered un 21st Century like. And the results speak for themselves. Stomping condoned. Players resorting to unsportsmanlike behaviour every week because they know they can get away with it. Give the players back their right to react to this shameful fukking behaviour. The jokers in the judiciary clearly dont know what they're doing and honestly they'll never have the same clarity of view a player will have on what is unjust unsportsmanlike dog behaviour. Xman get off your high moral pony, you're wrong on this one.

Want me to provide more evidence? There's tonnes of it in the match reports, each and every week. :D

[Xman]

Vigiliante acts You really dont understand what its like to be a player. I know you claim you've played before, along with TLPG, but I'd say the pair of you never got past under 8s auskick. In a sport which is inherently violent it is quite instinctual to retaliate when acts like this occur. In fact I heard a player/commentator say just that a few weeks back. To aim to completely rub out this player instinct to address foul play with a physical response is quite backward and what should be considered un 21st Century like. And the results speak for themselves. Stomping condoned. Players resorting to unsportsmanlike behaviour every week because they know they can get away with it. Give the players back their right to react to this shameful ******* behaviour. The jokers in the judiciary clearly dont know what they're doing and honestly they'll never have the same clarity of view a player will have on what is unjust unsportsmanlike dog behaviour. Xman get off your high moral pony, you're wrong on this one.

Want me to provide more evidence? There's tonnes of it in the match reports, each and every week. :D

As usual youre wrong on a number of fronts. Ive played at many levels so I know what its like. Plus local league and AFL level are not comparable. They are under scrutiny off the field and know they are on the field. The judicary look after violent and unreasonable acts, not the players! Players act on their emotions at the time. They dont consider things in a reasonable manner once emotion is taken out. Plus they look at things from their limited perspective only, not a panel.

Youre a seriously deluded fool.

[TLPG]

Also don't forget, Xman. KE claims to have played the game himself. I don't believe it, and his deluded reflections on the game prove that he hasn't. He's got no idea what he is talking about, especially this borderline BS about footy being "inherently violent".

[King-Eliagh]

Vigiliante acts You really dont understand what its like to be a player. I know you claim you've played before, along with TLPG, but I'd say the pair of you never got past under 8s auskick. In a sport which is inherently violent it is quite instinctual to retaliate when acts like this occur. In fact I heard a player/commentator say just that a few weeks back. To aim to completely rub out this player instinct to address foul play with a physical response is quite backward and what should be considered un 21st Century like. And the results speak for themselves. Stomping condoned. Players resorting to unsportsmanlike behaviour every week because they know they can get away with it. Give the players back their right to react to this shameful ******* behaviour. The jokers in the judiciary clearly dont know what they're doing and honestly they'll never have the same clarity of view a player will have on what is unjust unsportsmanlike dog behaviour. Xman get off your high moral pony, you're wrong on this one.

Want me to provide more evidence? There's tonnes of it in the match reports, each and every week. :D

As usual youre wrong on a number of fronts. Ive played at many levels so I know what its like. Plus local league and AFL level are not comparable. They are under scrutiny off the field and know they are on the field. The judicary look after violent and unreasonable acts, not the players! Players act on their emotions at the time. They dont consider things in a reasonable manner once emotion is taken out. Plus they look at things from their limited perspective only, not a panel.

Youre a seriously deluded fool.

Oh really now? The judiciary look after violent and unreasonable acts do they? Stomping anyone? It's well looked after by the AFL judiciary aint it just

And there's many more examples I can highlight, week after week. Again my main argument stands. This sort of behaviour i.e stomping and other dog like acts occurs much less in RL due to the fact that the NRL will understand the context of a situation and provide a lesser punishment to players who rush in and standup for their team mates when doglike unsportsmanlike behaviour. The NRL dont condone violence but rather understand it. The AFL are all over the shop, backward in their understanding of violence. Shocking judiciary system, just shocking. Kids are learning that dog acts are part of the game.

[King-Eliagh]

Also don't forget, Xman. KE claims to have played the game himself. I don't believe it, and his deluded reflections on the game prove that he hasn't. He's got no idea what he is talking about, especially this borderline BS about footy being "inherently violent".

Like racism you dont understand the meaning of violence. Go on now, do some learning. Then get back to us cause till then you're wasting our time.

There's a lad

[TLPG]

I know the meaning of violence and you demand it. You're not getting it. You are the one wasting our time with your useless opinions that are so far removed from reality it makes Hitler look like a saint.

[Xman]

Vigiliante acts You really dont understand what its like to be a player. I know you claim you've played before, along with TLPG, but I'd say the pair of you never got past under 8s auskick. In a sport which is inherently violent it is quite instinctual to retaliate when acts like this occur. In fact I heard a player/commentator say just that a few weeks back. To aim to completely rub out this player instinct to address foul play with a physical response is quite backward and what should be considered un 21st Century like. And the results speak for themselves. Stomping condoned. Players resorting to unsportsmanlike behaviour every week because they know they can get away with it. Give the players back their right to react to this shameful ******* behaviour. The jokers in the judiciary clearly dont know what they're doing and honestly they'll never have the same clarity of view a player will have on what is unjust unsportsmanlike dog behaviour. Xman get off your high moral pony, you're wrong on this one.

Want me to provide more evidence? There's tonnes of it in the match reports, each and every week. :D

As usual youre wrong on a number of fronts. Ive played at many levels so I know what its like. Plus local league and AFL level are not comparable. They are under scrutiny off the field and know they are on the field. The judicary look after violent and unreasonable acts, not the players! Players act on their emotions at the time. They dont consider things in a reasonable manner once emotion is taken out. Plus they look at things from their limited perspective only, not a panel.

Youre a seriously deluded fool.

Two things:
1. Stomping can be intentional, reckless or accidental. Its not just one catergory. Intentional deserves harsh penalty, reckless some penalty, accidental no penatly.

2. MRP are human and make mistakes

Leaving punishment up to players is plain stupidity, just like you.


Oh really now? The judiciary look after violent and unreasonable acts do they? Stomping anyone? It's well looked after by the AFL judiciary aint it just

And there's many more examples I can highlight, week after week. Again my main argument stands. This sort of behaviour i.e stomping and other dog like acts occurs much less in RL due to the fact that the NRL will understand the context of a situation and provide a lesser punishment to players who rush in and standup for their team mates when doglike unsportsmanlike behaviour. The NRL dont condone violence but rather understand it. The AFL are all over the shop, backward in their understanding of violence. Shocking judiciary system, just shocking. Kids are learning that dog acts are part of the game.

[King-Eliagh]

Thanks for your two cents worth Xman but as per usual you havent really provided us with anything. Your argument states 2 facts and doesnt respond at all to what i said =D>

Lemme pose a hypothetical to laugh at your oh so basic argument that leaving punishment to the players is ludicrous. Firstly I agree, but I'm not really talking about punishment im talking about the right to retaliate.

So Xman, you say you've played before. Picture yourself back on the field...

Its a sunny day and all is going swell. You've slotted a few goals and have been giving your defender an absolute bath when the coach of the opposing team switches defenders. At his first opportunity your new defender elbows you square in the nuts, ala the chapman incident in the AFL, as you attempt to lead for a ball. You go down like a sack of poo, squealing like a sow who's just been brandished. The umpire misses it, much to your and your teammates dismay. You get up tell your defender he's a khunt and resume play. Next time the ball comes your way you end up on the ground scrambling for the ball. Your dikkwad defender see's your arm on the ground and promptly stomps on it ala hunts handstand. Again you let a high pitch whelp and begin uncontrollably sobbing ala nic reiwoldt after he was dealt with in an unsportsmanlike way by lions players.The umpire misses it again. You get up and return to your position...

Xman what do you do as you lead out again with the umpire looking in the other direction and your new defender coming at you with another elbow?

From your argument above I'd say you'd drop your dacks and raise your testicles so he can get a better shot at them before crawling off the pitch not to return to the game.

TLPG's already acknowledged he would let a family member be murdered in front of him before resorting to any form of violence. Please dont tell me we've got two complete nut cases on this forum?