The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[Xman]

Ah TLPG please, dont come in here huffin and puffin about what you've seen and then try to send me outta my own thread. I'm thrashing the pants off Xman here now so allow me to continue...this is the FC after all. <>'

The AFL have addressed (violence) long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness...No player deliberately attempts to bump someone's head given its against the rules and results in a free kick!

And here's some more interesting vid for you folks. Notice how cheap these shots are, one to the testicles which had chapman vommitting and retaliation in the form of the king hit...because as we know if these fulla look at though they are fronting for a fair man to man fight, they'll get a higher penalty. And notice how the players respond on twitter to the retaliation, thinking it was well deserved. Also note dumbchook Demetriou's comment "these folks need to learn how to deal with people who irritate them". Well I'd love to see how that doughnut scoffing dumpling would like to deal with an elbow to the nuts? Idiot.



Xmans words again folks

The AFL have addressed (violence) long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness...No player deliberately attempts to bump someone's head given its against the rules and results in a free kick!

Boy you're a dickhead!

I said "all but", I didn't say they had completely irradicated violent acts. But the only real acts of deliberate violence that remain are little meaningless jabs or knocks which are still punished despite being almost harmless.

Compare that to the brutish behavior still permitted in RL! you only have to do a YouTube search for NRL and fights and the results are shameful.

What a disgrace!

[TLPG]

Ah TLPG please, dont come in here huffin and puffin about what you've seen and then try to send me outta my own thread. I'm thrashing the pants off Xman here now so allow me to continue...this is the FC after all. <>'

You are being thrashed simply because you're too stupid to see it, KE. You don't understand the game of football. It's beyond your comprehension. The game has been cleaned up successfully compared to the 70's and 80's and yet you're trying to say that nothing has changed in effect. Only a thugby worshipper would make such a ridiculous assertion.

You want violence? Go to a thugby game and get your fill. You're not welcome at any footy match.

[Xman]

Ah TLPG please, dont come in here huffin and puffin about what you've seen and then try to send me outta my own thread. I'm thrashing the pants off Xman here now so allow me to continue...this is the FC after all. <>'

You are being thrashed simply because you're too stupid to see it, KE. You don't understand the game of football. It's beyond your comprehension. The game has been cleaned up successfully compared to the 70's and 80's and yet you're trying to say that nothing has changed in effect. Only a thugby worshipper would make such a ridiculous assertion.

You want violence? Go to a thugby game and get your fill. You're not welcome at any footy match.

Exactly. The AFL has had criticism from some circles for sanitizing the game too far. It is far far less violent than RL. They arent even close.

[King-Eliagh]

Ah TLPG please, dont come in here huffin and puffin about what you've seen and then try to send me outta my own thread. I'm thrashing the pants off Xman here now so allow me to continue...this is the FC after all. <>'

The AFL have addressed (violence) long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness...No player deliberately attempts to bump someone's head given its against the rules and results in a free kick!

And here's some more interesting vid for you folks. Notice how cheap these shots are, one to the testicles which had chapman vommitting and retaliation in the form of the king hit...because as we know if these fulla look at though they are fronting for a fair man to man fight, they'll get a higher penalty. And notice how the players respond on twitter to the retaliation, thinking it was well deserved. Also note dumbchook Demetriou's comment "these folks need to learn how to deal with people who irritate them". Well I'd love to see how that doughnut scoffing dumpling would like to deal with an elbow to the nuts? Idiot.



Xmans words again folks

The AFL have addressed (violence) long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness...No player deliberately attempts to bump someone's head given its against the rules and results in a free kick!

Boy you're a ********!

I said "all but", I didn't say they had completely irradicated violent acts. But the only real acts of deliberate violence that remain are little meaningless jabs or knocks which are still punished despite being almost harmless.

Compare that to the brutish behavior still permitted in RL! you only have to do a YouTube search for NRL and fights and the results are shameful.

What a disgrace!

Looks as though i've touched a nerve here, I've never seen you use such awful language Xman!

Xman you said "all but eradicated" and im providing evidence that there's plenty of violence still occurring. Would you like me to provide more vids? In addition to "all but" you also say "the only real acts of deliberate violence that remain are little meaningless jabs or knocks" and "no player deliberately attempts to bump someones head". Ahh I'm sorry but did you watch the videos? Barry Hall anyone? Chapman lying on the ground vommiting after being smashed in the testicles anyone? Headbutts? King hits? Dislocating opponents shoulders on purpose? Anyone? If you only watched the evidence i've provided and knew little of the sport you'd be in your rights to think the AFL comp is a mixture of footy and MMA. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, i've barely tried to provide evidence Xman. "meaningless jabs and knocks" indeed

Now on top of the evidence which proves your statements to be similar to those a slightly confused buffoon would make, I've also provided evidence that the AFL comp is rife with "cheap shots", which I can only explain is a direct result of the harsher laws the AFL has against fisticuffs. These cheap shots are a serious blight on the game and teach the children that not only should you get a shot in, you should act as though you're not and get one in sneakily while the opposite player isnt ready and the umps and hopefully the cameras arent watching. Utterly disgraceful subliminal messages. The NRL players, or the majority of them, on the other hand when they engage in combat teach old fashioned values of standing up for your mates and for yourself against unsportsmanlike play and cheap shots.

TLPG did you really just say im not welcome at any marngrook match? WOW!

[Xman]

About the only serious deliberate violent act the AFL have had in years was Barry hall, and that was 4 years ago.

These sort of violent acts are regular event in the NRL!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nrl-Fight ... 4354050306 here's a Facebook page dedicated to fights in the NRL!

Do a google search for "NRL fights 2011". The results are just mind blowing! The first YouTube result is a 7 minute video of some of the most aggressive brawling you could ever see in any sport world wide. It's just animal behaviour! This is the first of 8 videos!


The third result is the Melbourne v Manly fight in August 2011. It just makes me want to vomit! :-+ Watch it really take off about 1min 54s. These guys should be banned from any sport for life!


How are you even comparing acts of this nature to soft headbutts and bumps??

How is this even an argument??

[TLPG]

TLPG did you really just say im not welcome at any marngrook match? WOW!

That's exactly what I said - as long as you have this fetish for on field violence. You won't get it at a footy match - so you should stay away. It's simple, because the reality is that you don't understand how much violence has been curbed. Xman was right - it has all but been wiped out. This stuff you're picking up? It probably happens maybe once or twice a week on average across the AFL. Back in the old days it was happening in every game and a lot more than once. This is what you do get and refuse to get. Now we don't have king hits. Incidents like the one involving Chapman are now extremely rare. Head butts are hardly head butts in the true sense on the intent (as I observed on the one that I reported as an umpire). Judd's chicken wing was also a rarity. And yet this sort of stuff goes on all the time in the NRL as Xman demonstrated. The NRL does nothing about brawls. In the AFL that's a melee and everyone involved cops a fine.

Just admit that you really don't understand and just leave this thread - and someplace where somehow you aren't being exposed as the idiot you really are.

[Xman]

TLPG did you really just say im not welcome at any marngrook match? WOW!

That's exactly what I said - as long as you have this fetish for on field violence. You won't get it at a footy match - so you should stay away. It's simple, because the reality is that you don't understand how much violence has been curbed. Xman was right - it has all but been wiped out. This stuff you're picking up? It probably happens maybe once or twice a week on average across the AFL. Back in the old days it was happening in every game and a lot more than once. This is what you do get and refuse to get. Now we don't have king hits. Incidents like the one involving Chapman are now extremely rare. Head butts are hardly head butts in the true sense on the intent (as I observed on the one that I reported as an umpire). Judd's chicken wing was also a rarity. And yet this sort of stuff goes on all the time in the NRL as Xman demonstrated. The NRL does nothing about brawls. In the AFL that's a melee and everyone involved cops a fine.

Just admit that you really don't understand and just leave this thread - and someplace where somehow you aren't being exposed as the idiot you really are.

Correct. There were more hay makers thrown in that storm v manly game than in an entire decade of AFL! They probably all got off too!

Shocking

[King-Eliagh]

Xman firstly thanks for providing that first clip. Aint it grand? If you were somewhat more perceptive than a slightly confused buffoon you'd realise that almost every single one of those tussles emanated from a cheap shot. You'd also realise that players are sticking up for one another and in all those fights all that eventuated were a few mild concussions, some bruises and some bruised egos. Most of the shots miss! Yes RL players, as sportsman still have the right to adress unsportsmanlike behaviour. And may that always be the case.

As to the manly fight, well it was clearly something personal. And I agree some of it was a bit weakass with cheap shots. Its by no means the norm in RL players engaging in combat.

And lastly, I never compared the acts of the AFL with RL so i can only assume its the slightly confused buffoon in you that raised that question. The AFL has less fighting yes, but there is by no means "no intentional shots to the head" like you foolishly stated. Additionally, the cheap shots like that given to Chapman and Judds dislocation of an opposition players shoulder are appalling, absolutely appalling and much worse than two blokes openly engaging in a bit of biff contact. It is the slimy, seedy result of an organisation which does not understand its sport is innately violent and that players deserve the right to stand up and react to severely unsportsmanlike behaviour, to actually play a part in stamping it out.

Long live the biff!!!

[TLPG]

That diatribe just demonstrated admirably how little you understand sport.

Go watch boxing or UFC, you violent little brat. You won't get your fill at the footy!

Die, biff, die!

[King-Eliagh]

TLPG are you often dressing up as Andrew Demetriou? That comment about me not wlecome at any AFL footy match was a classic mate!

All i can say to your last post though is... meh.

[Xman]

Xman firstly thanks for providing that first clip. Aint it grand? If you were somewhat more perceptive than a slightly confused buffoon you'd realise that almost every single one of those tussles emanated from a cheap shot. You'd also realise that players are sticking up for one another and in all those fights all that eventuated were a few mild concussions, some bruises and some bruised egos. Most of the shots miss! Yes RL players, as sportsman still have the right to adress unsportsmanlike behaviour. And may that always be the case.

As to the manly fight, well it was clearly something personal. And I agree some of it was a bit weakass with cheap shots. Its by no means the norm in RL players engaging in combat.

And lastly, I never compared the acts of the AFL with RL so i can only assume its the slightly confused buffoon in you that raised that question. The AFL has less fighting yes, but there is by no means "no intentional shots to the head" like you foolishly stated. Additionally, the cheap shots like that given to Chapman and Judds dislocation of an opposition players shoulder are appalling, absolutely appalling and much worse than two blokes openly engaging in a bit of biff contact. It is the slimy, seedy result of an organisation which does not understand its sport is innately violent and that players deserve the right to stand up and react to severely unsportsmanlike behaviour, to actually play a part in stamping it out.

Long live the biff!!!

1. Are you suggesting grown men aren't capable of refraining from resorting to violence when they are the victim of a cheap shot?

2. Mild concussions aren't insignificant. More and more evidence points to long term effects from concussion injuries.

"The world's best practice states that three concussions in a season means you are not permitted to play or train for contact sport for the rest of the season,"Jeffrey Rosenfeld, a leading neurosurgeon, states that three lifetime concussions should mean that the athlete not compete or train in contact sport again. " Jess said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/three-str ... 6435226163



3. A puch to the head can be fatal. It's not a joke, the NRL's attitude to violence is a joke. Im sure the family of this dead man dont think a punch to the head is a joke or a minor incident. http://www.news.com.au/national/funeral ... 6435052284

4. I'm sorry but a chicken wing tackle or a strike to the testicles may deserve punishment but it is NOT in the same league as a punch to the head! Don't even try to compare them! You can kill with a head punch, not a chicken wing tackle or nut cracker.

5. The only deliberate shots to the head in AFL are low impact from jumper punches or short cheeky jabs. There have been NO hay makers since the Hall/Staker incident, and that was one punch, not a brawl! There are no haymakers in AFL, only NRL!

[TLPG]

TLPG are you often dressing up as Andrew Demetriou? That comment about me not wlecome at any AFL footy match was a classic mate!

All i can say to your last post though is... meh.

That's the reaction I expected. You don't give a stuff.

No wonder you don't understand the nitty gritty of violence in sport......

[King-Eliagh]

Xman firstly thanks for providing that first clip. Aint it grand? If you were somewhat more perceptive than a slightly confused buffoon you'd realise that almost every single one of those tussles emanated from a cheap shot. You'd also realise that players are sticking up for one another and in all those fights all that eventuated were a few mild concussions, some bruises and some bruised egos. Most of the shots miss! Yes RL players, as sportsman still have the right to adress unsportsmanlike behaviour. And may that always be the case.

As to the manly fight, well it was clearly something personal. And I agree some of it was a bit weakass with cheap shots. Its by no means the norm in RL players engaging in combat.

And lastly, I never compared the acts of the AFL with RL so i can only assume its the slightly confused buffoon in you that raised that question. The AFL has less fighting yes, but there is by no means "no intentional shots to the head" like you foolishly stated. Additionally, the cheap shots like that given to Chapman and Judds dislocation of an opposition players shoulder are appalling, absolutely appalling and much worse than two blokes openly engaging in a bit of biff contact. It is the slimy, seedy result of an organisation which does not understand its sport is innately violent and that players deserve the right to stand up and react to severely unsportsmanlike behaviour, to actually play a part in stamping it out.

Long live the biff!!!

1. Are you suggesting grown men aren't capable of refraining from resorting to violence when they are the victim of a cheap shot?

2. Mild concussions aren't insignificant. More and more evidence points to long term effects from concussion injuries.

"The world's best practice states that three concussions in a season means you are not permitted to play or train for contact sport for the rest of the season,"Jeffrey Rosenfeld, a leading neurosurgeon, states that three lifetime concussions should mean that the athlete not compete or train in contact sport again. " Jess said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/three-str ... 6435226163



3. A puch to the head can be fatal. It's not a joke, the NRL's attitude to violence is a joke. Im sure the family of this dead man dont think a punch to the head is a joke or a minor incident. http://www.news.com.au/national/funeral ... 6435052284

4. I'm sorry but a chicken wing tackle or a strike to the testicles may deserve punishment but it is NOT in the same league as a punch to the head! Don't even try to compare them! You can kill with a head punch, not a chicken wing tackle or nut cracker.

5. The only deliberate shots to the head in AFL are low impact from jumper punches or short cheeky jabs. There have been NO hay makers since the Hall/Staker incident, and that was one punch, not a brawl! There are no haymakers in AFL, only NRL!

"A punch to the head can be fatal" So can being hit in the nuts apparently. And so can a lot of other 'unfortunate' incidents in both RL and marngrook. In fact I'd say the amount of serious injuries from fights compared to tackles is far far far less in both codes.

One thing Xman still doesnt get is it is against the rules to throw punches in RL, HOWEVER, if the circumstances warrant such an act, its looked less harshly upon.

He is screaming like the lovechild of Helen Lovejoy on steroids and a massively confused buffoon in this debate and needs to be settled down a few notches.

Now to answer your slightly confused buffoon style questions.

1. Some grown men can and do, some dont. I'm happy with both approaches and believe that some dirty cheapshot bastardsa deserve rough punishment. As I've said before you cant stop violence with blanket ruling against it, as I've CLEARLY proven in my video evidence. Anyone can see this, apart from a slightly confused buffoon that thinks its intelligent that is.

2. Concussions are significant injuries. Ahh no shiiiit sherlock but there's more concussions and more serious concussions resulting from accidental and intentional head high shots in both games than there is relating to fisticuffs. Again remember here my slightly confused buffoon that throwing punches is illegal in the NRL unless the cirumstances are warranted.

3. read my first paragraph. Marngrook and RL are violent sports. If you dont like that then you and TLPG are not welcome at any matches ever again!

4. I would much prefer to have a guy squaring up to me and taking a shot/haymaker at me while im ready than be pinned down by one player while another player decides it a good idea to dislocate my shoulder. Perspective Xman, its one of your favourite words but you often have none.

5. The ruling against players standing up for themselves on the footy field has arguably led to a large increase in cheap shots.

Now stop being such a lil sooky baby and deal with it that the sport you love is violent and the vast majority of the fans love that! If you and TLPG dont then you're not welcome at any AFL match or marngrook game ever again

[TLPG]

You're the one who's not welcome, idiot! Because you're looking for violence where it DOESN'T BELONG!! What part of that don't you get? Oh that's right - you don't give a stuff.

And for all your talk about concussions being worse that having your jaw jacked?? Yeah right - try telling that to John Greening! He was in a coma for 24 hours because of a punch!! The king hit variety that is!! Not to mention that concussions are common place in boxing! Gee what do they do there - wrestle??

Perspective. Fine talk for someone who has zero!

[Xman]

Xman firstly thanks for providing that first clip. Aint it grand? If you were somewhat more perceptive than a slightly confused buffoon you'd realise that almost every single one of those tussles emanated from a cheap shot. You'd also realise that players are sticking up for one another and in all those fights all that eventuated were a few mild concussions, some bruises and some bruised egos. Most of the shots miss! Yes RL players, as sportsman still have the right to adress unsportsmanlike behaviour. And may that always be the case.

As to the manly fight, well it was clearly something personal. And I agree some of it was a bit weakass with cheap shots. Its by no means the norm in RL players engaging in combat.

And lastly, I never compared the acts of the AFL with RL so i can only assume its the slightly confused buffoon in you that raised that question. The AFL has less fighting yes, but there is by no means "no intentional shots to the head" like you foolishly stated. Additionally, the cheap shots like that given to Chapman and Judds dislocation of an opposition players shoulder are appalling, absolutely appalling and much worse than two blokes openly engaging in a bit of biff contact. It is the slimy, seedy result of an organisation which does not understand its sport is innately violent and that players deserve the right to stand up and react to severely unsportsmanlike behaviour, to actually play a part in stamping it out.

Long live the biff!!!

1. Are you suggesting grown men aren't capable of refraining from resorting to violence when they are the victim of a cheap shot?

2. Mild concussions aren't insignificant. More and more evidence points to long term effects from concussion injuries.

"The world's best practice states that three concussions in a season means you are not permitted to play or train for contact sport for the rest of the season,"Jeffrey Rosenfeld, a leading neurosurgeon, states that three lifetime concussions should mean that the athlete not compete or train in contact sport again. " Jess said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/three-str ... 6435226163



3. A puch to the head can be fatal. It's not a joke, the NRL's attitude to violence is a joke. Im sure the family of this dead man dont think a punch to the head is a joke or a minor incident. http://www.news.com.au/national/funeral ... 6435052284

4. I'm sorry but a chicken wing tackle or a strike to the testicles may deserve punishment but it is NOT in the same league as a punch to the head! Don't even try to compare them! You can kill with a head punch, not a chicken wing tackle or nut cracker.

5. The only deliberate shots to the head in AFL are low impact from jumper punches or short cheeky jabs. There have been NO hay makers since the Hall/Staker incident, and that was one punch, not a brawl! There are no haymakers in AFL, only NRL!

"A punch to the head can be fatal" So can being hit in the nuts apparently. And so can a lot of other 'unfortunate' incidents in both RL and marngrook. In fact I'd say the amount of serious injuries from fights compared to tackles is far far far less in both codes.

One thing Xman still doesnt get is it is against the rules to throw punches in RL, HOWEVER, if the circumstances warrant such an act, its looked less harshly upon.

He is screaming like the lovechild of Helen Lovejoy on steroids and a massively confused buffoon in this debate and needs to be settled down a few notches.

Now to answer your slightly confused buffoon style questions.

1. Some grown men can and do, some dont. I'm happy with both approaches and believe that some dirty cheapshot bastardsa deserve rough punishment. As I've said before you cant stop violence with blanket ruling against it, as I've CLEARLY proven in my video evidence. Anyone can see this, apart from a slightly confused buffoon that thinks its intelligent that is.

2. Concussions are significant injuries. Ahh no shiiiit sherlock but there's more concussions and more serious concussions resulting from accidental and intentional head high shots in both games than there is relating to fisticuffs. Again remember here my slightly confused buffoon that throwing punches is illegal in the NRL unless the cirumstances are warranted.

3. read my first paragraph. Marngrook and RL are violent sports. If you dont like that then you and TLPG are not welcome at any matches ever again!

4. I would much prefer to have a guy squaring up to me and taking a shot/haymaker at me while im ready than be pinned down by one player while another player decides it a good idea to dislocate my shoulder. Perspective Xman, its one of your favourite words but you often have none.

5. The ruling against players standing up for themselves on the footy field has arguably led to a large increase in cheap shots.

Now stop being such a lil sooky baby and deal with it that the sport you love is violent and the vast majority of the fans love that! If you and TLPG dont then you're not welcome at any AFL match or marngrook game ever again

1. I'd rather let the judiciary deal with the consequences of cheap shots than the players take matters into their own hands. That just leads to more violence.

2. There will always be accidental head contact in contact sport. Trying to keep it to a minimum is imperative. Part of that is eliminating head injuries due to deliberate acts of violence like those seen every year in the NrL. It's unnecessary and should be outlawed.

3. Whatever

4. I'd much rather play a sport where judds action was the worst offence and was punished than the NRLs rolling brawl!

5. Yeah nice logic idiot! Let's allow dangerous fighting so niggling is kept to a minimum!

You will never win this argument. The NRL is far far more violent,mand much of it unnecessary. It's a disgrace!