Is The AFL Racist?

[Xman]

 
Current Indigenous Players in the AFL

There are 78 AFL listed indigenous players in 2011.

Player Club Recruited From
Tony Armstrong Adelaide Crows Burrumbuttock/NSW-ACT U18/Riddells Creek/Calder U18
Graham Johncock Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Tim Milera Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jared Petrenko Adelaide Crows Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Richard Tambling Adelaide Crows Southern Districts (NT)/Richmond
Xavier Clarke Brisbane Lions St Marys (NT)/St Kilda
Ashley McGrath Brisbane Lions South Fremantle (WA)
Albert Proud Brisbane Lions Mt Gravatt (Qld)
Sam Sheldon Brisbane Lions Haileybury College/Oakleigh U18
Eddie Betts Carlton Templestowe/Calder U18
Jeff Garlett Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Andrew Walker Carlton Echuca/Bendigo U18
Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Leon Davis Collingwood Perth (WA)
Brad Dick Collingwood East Fremantle (WA)
Andrew  Krakouer Collingwood South Fremantle (WA)/Collingwood/Swan Districts (WA)
Kirk Ugle  Collingwood Swan Districts (WA)
Sharrod Wellingham Collingwood Perth (WA)  
Alwyn Davey Essendon Palmerston (NT)/South Adelaide (SA)
Courtenay Dempsey Essendon Morningside (Qld)
Leroy Jetta Essendon South Fremantle (WA)
Anthony Long Essendon St Marys (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/Calder U18
Nathan Lovett-Murray Essendon Heywood/Nth Ball U18/Coll Rook/Bend Bomb/W'town
Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle (WA)
Mark  Williams Essendon South Fremantle (WA)/Hawthorn
Jonathon Griffin Fremantle East Fremantle (WA)/Adelaide
Antoni Grover Fremantle Subiaco (WA)
Roger Hayden Fremantle South Fremantle (WA)
Stephen Hill Fremantle West Perth (WA)
Joel Houghton Fremantle Perth (WA)
Michael Johnson Fremantle Perth (WA)
Casey Sibosado Fremantle Beagle Bay (WA)/Xavier College/Oakleigh U18
Michael Walters Fremantle Swan Districts (WA)
Allen Christensen Geelong Cats Lara/Geelong U18
Steven Motlop Geelong Cats Wanderers (NT)
Mathew Stokes Geelong Cats Palmerston (NT)/Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Travis Varcoe Geelong Cats Central District (SA)
Roland Ah Chee Gold Coast Suns Pioneers (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Harley Bennell  Gold Coast Suns Peel Thunder (WA)
Joseph Daye Gold Coast Suns Zillmere (Qld)
Jarrod Harbrow Gold Coast Suns Cairns (Qld)/Mooroopna/Murray U18/Wstrn Bldgs
Nathan Krakouer Gold Coast Suns Claremont (WA)/Port Adel
Rex Liddy Gold Coast Suns Kenmore (Qld)/Gold Coast U18
Brandon Matera Gold Coast Suns South Fremantle (WA)
Steven May Gold Coast Suns Southern Districts (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/NT U18
Tom Nicholls Gold Coast Suns St Kevins/Sandringham U18
Liam Patrick Gold Coast Suns Wanderers (NT)
Chance Bateman Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Shaun Burgoyne Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)/Port Adel
Lance Franklin Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Cyril Rioli Hawthorn St Marys (NT)/Scotch College
Derick Wanganeen Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jamie Bennell Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Aaron Davey Melbourne Palmerston (NT)/Port Melbourne
Neville Jetta Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Liam Jurrah Melbourne Yuenduma Magpies (NT)/Collingwood VFL
Kelvin Lawrence Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Austin Wonaeamirri Melbourne St Marys (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Matt Campbell North Melbourne Pioneers (NT)/North Adelaide (SA)
Cruize Garlett North Melbourne Perth (WA)
Lindsay Thomas North Melbourne Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Daniel Wells North Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Daniel Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)/North Adel (SA)/North Melb
Marlon Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)
Danyle Pearce Port Adelaide Sturt (SA)
Raphael Clarke St Kilda St Marys (NT)
Nick Winmar St Kilda Claremont (WA)
Adam Goodes Sydney Swans Horsham/North Ballarat U18
Lewis Jetta Sydney Swans Swan Districts (WA)
Byron Sumner Sydney Swans Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Lewis Broome West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls West Coast Eagles East Perth (WA)/Richmond
Gerrick Weedon West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Nathan Djerrkura Western Bulldogs Wanderers (NT)
Josh Hill Western Bulldogs Claremont (WA)
Liam Jones Western Bulldogs North Hobart/Tas U18/Scotch College
Zeph Skinner  Western Bulldogs Noonkanbah Blues/Claremont (WA)/Nightcliff/ NT Thunder
Brennan Stack Western Bulldogs Perth (WA)

Indiginous AFL players last year.

Xman the NRL have heaps of Aborigonal players also, really not telling us anything new here.
Do you have much else besides Anglo Aussie and Aboriginals? The answer is a clear NO.

Except you were incorrectly claiming AFL clubs like Essendon have 5% indiginous players.

Wrong, fool!

[Xman]

Yes Xman a "few" players here and there is a start. We mustnt say there's nothing happening but, like RL in 1991, its close to nothing. I'm happy you're now seeing the light of day here. Personally I think we cant really come up with a good way forward until we realise whats stopping it.

The number 1 elephant in the room here is that darned name. I think thats a major factor.

On the positive side though the AFL's move into sydney is already producing much interest **** people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in sydney, particularly western sydney. So I'd imagine this is the product of smart marketing by the AFL along with large populations of now 2nd and third generation immigrants so this interest should grow organically from here.

But this wont be enough, those southern states and wa simply havent had the same multicultural boom that sydney has. More work should go into those markets. On a recent trip to perth i was amazed to see how many sudanese (i think thats where they were from) kids were kicking back in the mall. Massive numbers and the taxi drivers told me this has been a recent influx. Yes adelaide and wa let the code down but imo the worst is melb, a multicultural city. I cant figure out why when its real heartland is so multicultural, it remains such an anglo dominated competition. Somethings wrong down there. Perhaps you as a victorian could shed light on the matter Xman?

fyi the rabbitoes recently recruited a player of asian origin. He's pretty nifty too. Indian and srilankan folk in the NRL is pretty rare though, as in the AFL. I dont know why.

That Part is a big issue for me, we know Parts of AFL heartland are multicultural but does not seem to equate to anything of not in those melbourne teams mmmmm i wander why that is when the NRL heartland seems to have bucket loads of ethnic players rolling of the production line. The only thing i can put it down to is the attitudes within the organization, and it also pays to be 6ft in the AFL. :D This would definitely cut out allot of ethnic backgrounds with coaches flavoring players that are 6ft. What else could it be Xman enlighten us on this weird situations please....

You wander do you? where exactly are you wandering?

The ethic groups playing RL are from countries who play RL. As I said, Sydney has a fair population of Indians, Sri Lankans and Asians, just like Melbourne. Why don't we see players from these countries in the NRL? Must be the attitudes in the NRL right?! racists!

As for you 6foot comment, the AFL is a game where being tall provides an advantage for certain positions on the ground, just like basketball. What are you inferring?

[King-Eliagh]

No I'm sorry, there's italians, lebanese, greeks and englishmen **** others aplenty in the NRL. These nations primary sports are generally soccer but no, they've been welcomed into RL.

There's clearly a significant difference between the two comps when it comes to multiculral players. What we need to do is figure out why. And i think Xman comes up with a fairly decent point. 'Australian'...'Rules' is not played o/s beyond a bunch of xpats. Yes this is a big reason. Add on to that the name of the game and the ridiculous 'anti australian' proportion of anglos playing the game and well, what recent migrant can see any sortof reflection of themselves in the game?

You're getting there xman. Keep up the good thinking matey.

[ParraEelsNRL]

A big YES to the question asked in this thread.

YES, the vFL is racist from the littlest vFL junior right to the very top.

The fans are the most vile racists in the country.

The vFL tries to paint a whiter than white image, but the white game they play in half of Australia is just that, a white game made by played by and watched by, white people.

[Xman]

No I'm sorry, there's italians, lebanese, greeks and englishmen **** others aplenty in the NRL. These nations primary sports are generally soccer but no, they've been welcomed into RL.

There's clearly a significant difference between the two comps when it comes to multiculral players. What we need to do is figure out why. And i think Xman comes up with a fairly decent point. 'Australian'...'Rules' is not played o/s beyond a bunch of xpats. Yes this is a big reason. Add on to that the name of the game and the ridiculous 'anti australian' proportion of anglos playing the game and well, what recent migrant can see any sortof reflection of themselves in the game?

You're getting there xman. Keep up the good thinking matey.

The AFL is a reflection of the country it's played in. The majority of players are a mix of the races that make up that country. However given many nationalities have migrated to Australia there are many different people from a wide variety of nationalities playing, as the link I posted earlier showed. 51 different countries to be exactly.

The NRL is a reflection of the countries RL is played in. The majority of players are a mix of the races that make up those countries.

Simple.

[Xman]

A big YES to the question asked in this thread.

YES, the vFL is racist from the littlest vFL junior right to the very top.

The fans are the most vile racists in the country.

The vFL tries to paint a whiter than white image, but the white game they play in half of Australia is just that, a white game made by played by and watched by, white people.

Yet it has the same proportion of indiginous players as the NRL. What it doesn't have that the NRL does is the mix of racial groups from the pacific islands.

Your comments are classic LU propaganda with absolutely no substance or foundation, just pure uneducated bs.

[pookus]

A big YES to the question asked in this thread.

YES, the vFL is racist from the littlest vFL junior right to the very top.

The fans are the most vile racists in the country.

The vFL tries to paint a whiter than white image, but the white game they play in half of Australia is just that, a white game made by played by and watched by, white people.

Can not believe we tolerate this moron.Anyone who travels the country knows the further north you get the redder the neck.Melbourne by far is Australias multicultural capital read the census figures.38% foreign born melbourne 31% Sydney.Melbourne recieves 40000 more foreigners P.A. than Sydney.Our game is based in Melbourne.Your game is based in the land of Race riots ,Pauline Hansen and Mick Katta who Im sure your a Fan of.You just have to read the forums to understand the differences in tolerance.We are constantly called Gayfl,******* and any other culturally insensitve jibes.The fact that not many migrants take up our game is because until they get here they have not been exposed.League has that advantage no doubt but to say that league is more sensitive on this issue is a joke.The AFL has led the way on this issue for years.From Nicky Winmars defiance to michael longs walk to canberra the AFL has always been a catalyst for change.So you mullet wearing fool stick your bring back the biff t-shirt on have a couple of cans and enjoy your redneck game with the other close minded fools.

[Xman]

A big YES to the question asked in this thread.

YES, the vFL is racist from the littlest vFL junior right to the very top.

The fans are the most vile racists in the country.

The vFL tries to paint a whiter than white image, but the white game they play in half of Australia is just that, a white game made by played by and watched by, white people.

Can not believe we tolerate this moron.Anyone who travels the country knows the further north you get the redder the neck.Melbourne by far is Australias multicultural capital read the census figures.38% foreign born melbourne 31% Sydney.Melbourne recieves 40000 more foreigners P.A. than Sydney.Our game is based in Melbourne.Your game is based in the land of Race riots ,Pauline Hansen and Mick Katta who Im sure your a Fan of.You just have to read the forums to understand the differences in tolerance.We are constantly called Gayfl,******* and any other culturally insensitve jibes.The fact that not many migrants take up our game is because until they get here they have not been exposed.League has that advantage no doubt but to say that league is more sensitive on this issue is a joke.The AFL has led the way on this issue for years.From Nicky Winmars defiance to michael longs walk to canberra the AFL has always been a catalyst for change.So you mullet wearing fool stick your bring back the biff t-shirt on have a couple of cans and enjoy your redneck game with the other close minded fools.

=D> =D> =D> well said!

You only have to look at the comments on LU to realise RL fans are primarily uneducated bogans with prejudices against anything different than themselves. Look at the comments about gays for example! Intolerance at its finest! Parrasook is a perfect example! His gay comments are primary school stuff. He sooked like a girl when the word ******* was banned! Posters like him and others on LU defy belief!

[eelofwest]

Yes Xman a "few" players here and there is a start. We mustnt say there's nothing happening but, like RL in 1991, its close to nothing. I'm happy you're now seeing the light of day here. Personally I think we cant really come up with a good way forward until we realise whats stopping it.

The number 1 elephant in the room here is that darned name. I think thats a major factor.

On the positive side though the AFL's move into sydney is already producing much interest **** people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in sydney, particularly western sydney. So I'd imagine this is the product of smart marketing by the AFL along with large populations of now 2nd and third generation immigrants so this interest should grow organically from here.

But this wont be enough, those southern states and wa simply havent had the same multicultural boom that sydney has. More work should go into those markets. On a recent trip to perth i was amazed to see how many sudanese (i think thats where they were from) kids were kicking back in the mall. Massive numbers and the taxi drivers told me this has been a recent influx. Yes adelaide and wa let the code down but imo the worst is melb, a multicultural city. I cant figure out why when its real heartland is so multicultural, it remains such an anglo dominated competition. Somethings wrong down there. Perhaps you as a victorian could shed light on the matter Xman?

fyi the rabbitoes recently recruited a player of asian origin. He's pretty nifty too. Indian and srilankan folk in the NRL is pretty rare though, as in the AFL. I dont know why.

That Part is a big issue for me, we know Parts of AFL heartland are multicultural but does not seem to equate to anything of not in those melbourne teams mmmmm i wander why that is when the NRL heartland seems to have bucket loads of ethnic players rolling of the production line. The only thing i can put it down to is the attitudes within the organization, and it also pays to be 6ft in the AFL. :D This would definitely cut out allot of ethnic backgrounds with coaches flavoring players that are 6ft. What else could it be Xman enlighten us on this weird situations please....

I will repeat this for pookus, we know AFL heartland in Melbourne has a lot of cultures but the question we put forward to Xman who lives in Melbourne apparently, is why does this not equate to different cultural backgrounds playing in these Melbourne clubs. We all know Melbourne and Sydney are streaks ahead in this department but why can the NRL produce ethnic players in Sydney by the bucket loads and not the AFL in Melbourne, and even the fan base is lacking.

[pookus]

First things first.What proof could you possibly have about the ethnicity of our fan base.As Melbourne has the highest immigrant population as well as the highest attendances it safe to assume that more migrants go to AFL games than league,that is a monty.As far as ethnicity on our lists what has that got to do with racism are you seriously suggesting if someone from another nationality wouldnt get a go because of there ethnicity crap.The question of why migrant kids dont play AFL is purely cultural,they play the world game which is massive down here but we still have many nationalities on our lists.All are welcome and encouraged.But the real question is what has all this crap got to do with the initial statement that the AFL is racist.As an organisation it is by far the most proactive in the land on racial intolerance,violence towards women and acceptance of all colours creeds and sexual denominations.Dont forget a massive part of your supporter base is in Qld.How is there track record when it comes to tolerance.Dont blur the issue the reason that more migrants play NRL as you have mentioned is because they are more suited, it has nothing to do with the acceptance of the sport,the name or the policies of the AFL.
A perfect example of leagues sensabilities is in todays paper.The assertion is that real men don't eat sushi.Please

[Xman]

Well said again pookus. This was already explained to eels. People will play sport according to their culture. RL has a presence in a number of pacific islands so when people from those nationalities come to Australia they will play RL. People from many other nations will come to Australia and play soccer. It's really not hard to understand.

[King-Eliagh]

No I'm sorry, there's italians, lebanese, greeks and englishmen **** others aplenty in the NRL. These nations primary sports are generally soccer but no, they've been welcomed into RL.

There's clearly a significant difference between the two comps when it comes to multiculral players. What we need to do is figure out why. And i think Xman comes up with a fairly decent point. 'Australian'...'Rules' is not played o/s beyond a bunch of xpats. Yes this is a big reason. Add on to that the name of the game and the ridiculous 'anti australian' proportion of anglos playing the game and well, what recent migrant can see any sortof reflection of themselves in the game?

You're getting there xman. Keep up the good thinking matey.

The AFL is a reflection of the country it's played in. The majority of players are a mix of the races that make up that country. However given many nationalities have migrated to Australia there are many different people from a wide variety of nationalities playing, as the link I posted earlier showed. 51 different countries to be exactly.

The NRL is a reflection of the countries RL is played in. The majority of players are a mix of the races that make up those countries.

Simple.

Basically this team shot of the bunnies could easily be a poster for harmony day celebrations. The AFL team snapshot would not offend a white supremicist group.

I just cant agree with you Xman, that the AFL reflects multicultural australia.

[Xman]

Wow

Other than players from pacific island countries, what racial groups do you see in that NRL team??

Matthew stokes is part indigenous australian. Other than that varcoe was injured.

That's hardly a good example for your argument.

Where are the Indians, Sri Lankans, Chinese, anglosaxons?

[King-Eliagh]

There's an italian, aboriginal, a multitude of pacific islanders and a greek men there and probably more backgrounds. A lovely depiction of multicultural harmony. And we could post countless other NRL teams and match them against AFL teams with the same result. You think we couldnt Xman?

[Xman]

There's an italian, aboriginal, a multitude of pacific islanders and a greek men there and probably more backgrounds. A lovely depiction of multicultural harmony. And we could post countless other NRL teams and match them against AFL teams with the same result. You think we couldnt Xman?

So other than about 80% islanders there's 1 guy from Italian descent, one from Greek descent, one indiginous Australian ?



Fail!

Look at Geelongs team. There are people from many different descents.