Jetta first man charged for 'staging' in the AFL comp

[Xman]

Fist fighting exemplefies passion, as does a massive hit. In fact violence, in all its forms on the marngrook and RL fields exemplify just how passionate the players are to be out there and to put their body on the line for their team. Xman you value safety over passion, making you a very dull boy, and one who doesnt understand what it is to, and never would have, put your body on the line.

So ahh please cite one example where a fist fight led to brain damage on the RL field?

God help us if you ever get a job controlling the rules of the game.

The correlation is there. Collisions, tackles etc is part of contact sport. Fist fighting is not, hence it is penalized. One code has taken it seriously and has successfully eradicated such incidents from the game. The other treats it like part of the entertainment.

[King-Eliagh]

Fist fighting was a part of marngrook before the AFL became the nanny state and allowed it to be penalised for 8 weeks+ while turning a blind eye to players shoulder charging injured men as they walk off the field. The AFL has it wrong and that's final. RL penalises fighting quite appropriately, considering the context in which punches are thrown. Very respectable and contemporary position actually. The AFL, just barbaric in its judgement, 8+ weeks for throwing one punch?!? And nothing for a man who lands a solid jumper punch leading to the response?!? Reminds me of a 16th Century European court handling a womans infedelity. Completely unreasonable and barbaric judgement.

[Xman]

Fist fighting was a part of marngrook before the AFL became the nanny state and allowed it to be penalised for 8 weeks+ while turning a blind eye to players shoulder charging injured men as they walk off the field. The AFL has it wrong and that's final. RL penalises fighting quite appropriately, considering the context in which punches are thrown. Very respectable and contemporary position actually. The AFL, just barbaric in its judgement, 8+ weeks for throwing one punch?!? And nothing for a man who lands a solid jumper punch leading to the response?!? Reminds me of a 16th Century European court handling a womans infedelity. Completely unreasonable and barbaric judgement.

Wrong. A jumper punch is nothing more than a poke in the face with your fist and will never cause injury. A full blown punch will and does. Punches deserve a severe penalty otherwise they are virtually condoned. This behaviour gets copied by all minor leagues and fans of said code.

[King-Eliagh]

No you're simpleton argument just doesnt cut it im sorry Xman. A jumper punch has plenty potential to injure and throwing a punch in what is a violent sport should not result in instantaneous 8week+ suspensions. All incidents, including elbows high shots jumper punches should be reviewed regarding their context rather than just putting blanket rules out there. Otherwise the dirty players who are aware of the loopholes in the rules will seek and find them, as happens in the AFL comp far too regularly since the harsh penalties on fisticuffs came in.

[Xman]

No you're simpleton argument just doesnt cut it im sorry Xman. A jumper punch has plenty potential to injure and throwing a punch in what is a violent sport should not result in instantaneous 8week+ suspensions. All incidents, including elbows high shots jumper punches should be reviewed regarding their context rather than just putting blanket rules out there. Otherwise the dirty players who are aware of the loopholes in the rules will seek and find them, as happens in the AFL comp far too regularly since the harsh penalties on fisticuffs came in.

Any deliberate aggressive illegal move that is outlawed by the AFL, such as head butting, kicking, elbowing, punching etc, is punished by large suspensions.

In the NRL it's entertainment, despite being dangerous and unnecessary! Thugs!

[King-Eliagh]

You call NRL players thugs? Ummm hows about the nick reiwoldt incident a few years back where mal michael and some other brisbane lion attacked him as he walked with a broken clavicle? Unfortunately Reiwoldts team mates were not allowed to smack these gutless bitches to the ground for feat of getting suspended for 8 weeks. If i recall correctly the two agressors got off scot free. Thugs running the game and on the field in the AFL it seems.

Marngrook fans, including me, just hate what they're doing to our game. Smacking on massive suspensions without acknowledging the context. Punishing men for sticking up for their teammates, like men, and thus turning them into kniving jumperpunching meleee women. Not realising that violence is a part of contact sport and instead continually forcing masculinity out of the game.

There's millions out there who agree with me on this one Xman, you have no argument apart from Mrs Lovejoy's "what about the children" and "violence is barbaric and primitive". I've blown these arguments out of the park so hows about you show me some respect eh? If you do I'll change my signature

[Xman]

You call NRL players thugs? Ummm hows about the nick reiwoldt incident a few years back where mal michael and some other brisbane lion attacked him as he walked with a broken clavicle? Unfortunately Reiwoldts team mates were not allowed to smack these gutless bitches to the ground for feat of getting suspended for 8 weeks. If i recall correctly the two agressors got off scot free. Thugs running the game and on the field in the AFL it seems.

A few years back hey? Try 7!

The fact is Nick Riewolt was assessed by the trainers and decided to continue playing. Why should his opponents play easy on him because he has a sore shoulder? if a player enters the field of play they do so at their own risk. If they're not fully fit that's their fault.

Next you'll be sooking about a tennis player running his obviously injured opponent around the court!

[King-Eliagh]

And what about the uproar about injured players getting smacked as they leave the ground in the AFL comp Xman? I think these cowardly thugs got off scot free too.

Your narrow view that these so called 'thugs' are a RL phenomenon is very easy to also blow out the park xman.

[Xman]

And what about the uproar about injured players getting smacked as they leave the ground in the AFL comp Xman? I think these cowardly thugs got off scot free too.

Your narrow view that these so called 'thugs' are a RL phenomenon is very easy to also blow out the park xman.

What incident are you talking about?

[Xman]

And what about the uproar about injured players getting smacked as they leave the ground in the AFL comp Xman? I think these cowardly thugs got off scot free too.

Your narrow view that these so called 'thugs' are a RL phenomenon is very easy to also blow out the park xman.

Try this http://www.google.com.au/search?q=nick+ ... 24&bih=672

Googling NRL and fights bring up pages of NRL brawls. They are disgusting!

[King-Eliagh]

The fights are fantastic. Part of being human and being able to stand up for yourself and your team mates. Good values even if they arent for hermaphrodites such as Xman. But I know some hermaphrodites would think its great.

[Xman]

The fights are fantastic. Part of being human and being able to stand up for yourself and your team mates. Good values even if they arent for hermaphrodites such as Xman. But I know some hermaphrodites would think its great.

Yeah great! IT'S ILLEGAL IN THE COMMUNITY AND PENALISED IN SPORT!!!! How is it "fantastic"?

How about this? Good viewing too?

http://www.news.com.au/national/parents ... 6310913988

A junior rugby league match was abandoned after parents and supporters joined in a wild brawl. Picture: Gregg Porteous
FRESH fears about parent conduct at junior sport have been raised after a violent brawl broke out at a junior rugby league match between Brisbane teams Wynnum-Manly and Waterford last Friday night.
Police were called to break up fights between rival supporters and to escort the referee from the field after an under-15 match descended into violence.

Tensions rose between the two sides in a physical match, with four players sin-binned in the first half after an on-field fight.

The match ignited again in the second half, with another two players sent off for fighting. One player allegedly shoved the referee to get to a rival player, before the two players continued fighting on their way to the sideline.

The referee abandoned the match, with club officials going on to the field to try to break up the fight.

Supporters then stormed on to the pitch, with around 40 fans from both sides engaging in a wild brawl.

A spectator not associated with either club, who cannot be named due to a league privacy policy, said he was shocked by the incident.

"People were running down from the clubhouse fighting each other - there were ladies and mothers involved," he said.

"Supporters were absolutely giving it to the referee for the send-offs.

"About three or four police cars arrived and they had to escort the referee off the ground."

The man said the brawl took a further turn for the worse after the match was abandoned.

"In the middle of it all, the club stupidly turned the (ground) lights off," he said.

"The fight then moved into the parking lot."

At least one car was damaged in the ensuing melee, with its windscreen smashed.

There were concerns about alcohol fuelling the fight, as many supporters allegedly ran from the licensed clubhouse to join.

Club sporting venues are able to sell full-strength beer, wine and spirits to patrons, despite the substances being banned at all major stadiums.

"It's a sad situation with under-15s being involved - it's concerning when any parents get on to the field," said Wynnum District Superintendent Jim Keogh. "Police were called to help the referee from the field.

"We'll be in discussions with Wynnum-Manly (rugby league) in relation to the management of what happened inside the licensed area.

"We'll also be canvassing if there's any (video) footage in relation to the matter."

Greater Brisbane Junior Rugby League is investigating the incident.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/parents ... z1w9uiQhKy

[King-Eliagh]

Ah that's a totally different story with the parents and i dont condone it but it outlines my point quite nicely. Violence is all around us Xman. You clearly grew up in a cosy cotton wool environment with a mother who screamed "but whaaaat about the children!!!" Good for you. But the cold hard facts are that violence is part of human nature and therefore we must understand the context it is played out in before we judge the appropriate punishment to be dealt. The AFL doesnt do or understand this, and neither do you Xman. You gottit yet buddy-o?

[Xman]

Ah that's a totally different story with the parents and i dont condone it but it outlines my point quite nicely. Violence is all around us Xman. You clearly grew up in a cosy cotton wool environment with a mother who screamed "but whaaaat about the children!!!" Good for you. But the cold hard facts are that violence is part of human nature and therefore we must understand the context it is played out in before we judge the appropriate punishment to be dealt. The AFL doesnt do or understand this, and neither do you Xman. You gottit yet buddy-o?

Ah no, I grew up with many brothers, playing many sports including ARs.
Fighting is a poor example for kids and they will certainly copy it if condoned at the professional level.

[King-Eliagh]

Nup fighting is not a poor example for kids because kids are gunna see violence all around them from day diddly on this planet. Cant wrap them in cotton wool Xman, I'm sorry but its not possible. What is not good is an adult like you Xman, with the intelligence of a baked bean, screaming "whaaaat about the children...violence is horrific! We need to stop it at all costs!!" Kids then obtain a warped view of violence and are unable to understand the place violence has in society and the world and to judge acts of violence on the context in which it is played out.

'Surface' level stuff you preach Xman, you and the AFL comp set a bad example for the children.

In RL it is condoned to a level depending on the context it is played out. And the audiences love it because it is a violent sport and there are certain occasions where throwing the fists is warranted.

In the AFL comp it is shunned, forcing the players into shameful looking events such as melees and dirty tactics in order to 'get a punch in', and the audiences find it either amusing or distasteful because it is a violent sport and there are certain occasions where throwing fists is warranted.

NRL = reflecting reality

AFL = reflecting the nanny state