Giants - what would be a successful first year?

[King-Eliagh]

They might get the wooden spoon as most first season clubs do but I think they will win games.

No big deal.

But they will get more than 1/4 of Skoda filled once it opens. Big hold back at Blacktown given it's small capacity.

sorry what

the Titans didn't finish with the wooden spoon in their first year in 2007
nor did the Storm in 1998


nor did the Rams in 1997
nor did the Reds in 1995
nor did the warriors or cowboys in 1995 either

you get the wooden spoon if you are CRAP ... nothing to do with it being your first year or not

the Thuns were ... & still are ... utter crap
as are the Midgits

the VFL have F'd up their comp

that is all

oh dear nsw perhaps soon you'll need to appl the not talky talky to raiderdave also

[cos789]

It's interesting that KE mentions ratings as the first measurement criteria.
He'll obviously be suggesting a comparison between Sydney AFL and Sydney NRL team ratings.
But the the true measure is the collective ratings as that is what is happenning in Sydney.
We have already seen that the ratings for GWS Vs Colloingwood in A NAB game topped the Fox ratings.
That is what the ratings are about the total number of viewers watching a program.
If a significant number of people in Australia watch GWS games on TV then they have justified the TV rights payment and therefore they have justified their creation. Any ratings gains in Sydney will be a bonus.

it is also interesting that KE states that AF is downgraded by viewing on TV. If we agree with him then
the ratings of AF indeed are affectively higher (let's say 25%) when used in comparison with a sport
supposedly "perfect" for TV presentation.

Of course, AFL types tend to look at crowds as a measure of success and popularity. And success is relative.
Crowds higher than any NRL games will be seen as an emotional success but true success would only be claimed
when crowds stack up with other AFL games. The GC must be seen as a success on the first level, but it will be hard for them to keep pace with other clubs when their stadium is limited to 20k, in spite of a favourable stadium contract.
IMO GWS is on track to be a success of the first kind but it will be difficult to be a success of the second kind even with access to a large stadium, mainly due to a business principle that states it's easier to market to a smaller area than a larger area. Having said that, the potential is there for GWS to be Giants.

[Xman]

the Giants won't 1/4 fill Skoda for most games

the opening round game will distort their eventual average
but it will still be lower then all 16 NRL clubs

at some stage this season they will be watched by the lowest number of veiwers in Sydney on TV ... in the last 30 years
I'm talking under 10K

they will finish 0-22

they will get the wooden spoon

they have 6K odd members ATM most of which don't live in Sydney
by this time in 2013
they won't have 3K

So if they average more crowds and members than Sydney NRL clubs or the storm does than mean they have had a successful season? Yes or no?

[Beaussie]

the Giants won't 1/4 fill Skoda for most games

the opening round game will distort their eventual average
but it will still be lower then all 16 NRL clubs

at some stage this season they will be watched by the lowest number of veiwers in Sydney on TV ... in the last 30 years
I'm talking under 10K

they will finish 0-22

they will get the wooden spoon

they have 6K odd members ATM most of which don't live in Sydney
by this time in 2013
they won't have 3K

So if they average more crowds and members than Sydney NRL clubs or the storm does than mean they have had a successful season? Yes or no?

Stop avoiding the question Raider.

Answer now

[Raiderdave]

the Giants won't 1/4 fill Skoda for most games

the opening round game will distort their eventual average
but it will still be lower then all 16 NRL clubs

at some stage this season they will be watched by the lowest number of veiwers in Sydney on TV ... in the last 30 years
I'm talking under 10K

they will finish 0-22

they will get the wooden spoon

they have 6K odd members ATM most of which don't live in Sydney
by this time in 2013
they won't have 3K

So if they average more crowds and members than Sydney NRL clubs or the storm does than mean they have had a successful season? Yes or no?

I said all 16 NRL clubs didn't I F wit

[Xman]

the Giants won't 1/4 fill Skoda for most games

the opening round game will distort their eventual average
but it will still be lower then all 16 NRL clubs

at some stage this season they will be watched by the lowest number of veiwers in Sydney on TV ... in the last 30 years
I'm talking under 10K

they will finish 0-22

they will get the wooden spoon

they have 6K odd members ATM most of which don't live in Sydney
by this time in 2013
they won't have 3K

So if they average more crowds and members than Sydney NRL clubs or the storm does than mean they have had a successful season? Yes or no?

I said all 16 NRL clubs didn't I F wit

So the Giants have to average more fans to home games than ANY Sydney NRL team to consider their first year a success? Is that your opinion?

Can we apply that rule to NRL expansion teams? Well, the Storm average lower than all Melbourne AFL teams, and by a big margin. They might need to improve just a bit to get a better average than Collingwood though!

[Raiderdave]

So if they average more crowds and members than Sydney NRL clubs or the storm does than mean they have had a successful season? Yes or no?

I said all 16 NRL clubs didn't I F wit

So the Giants have to average more fans to home games than ANY Sydney NRL team to consider their first year a success? Is that your opinion?

Can we apply that rule to NRL expansion teams? Well, the Storm average lower than all Melbourne AFL teams, and by a big margin. They might need to improve just a bit to get a better average than Collingwood though!

are we talking about the Storm or the Midgits ?

who cares what the hell goes on in that ****** moronic shit hole you live in
the fact remains
your lame arsed sport is a failure outside of its traditional areas
the 2 sides that have been around for up to 30 years .... in these areas continue to struggle
the 2 new ones will be the laughing stock of Aust sport
& its just desserts for your egotistical wall to wall wankers .. of a sport

just desserts indeed

[Xman]

I said all 16 NRL clubs didn't I F wit

So the Giants have to average more fans to home games than ANY Sydney NRL team to consider their first year a success? Is that your opinion?

Can we apply that rule to NRL expansion teams? Well, the Storm average lower than all Melbourne AFL teams, and by a big margin. They might need to improve just a bit to get a better average than Collingwood though!

are we talking about the Storm or the Midgits ?

who cares what the hell goes on in that ****** moronic **** hole you live in
the fact remains
your lame arsed sport is a failure outside of its traditional areas
the 2 sides that have been around for up to 30 years .... in these areas continue to struggle
the 2 new ones will be the laughing stock of Aust sport
& its just desserts for your egotistical wall to wall wankers .. of a sport

just desserts indeed

i understand why you dont want to know about the AFL in WA SA and Victoria. The levels of support for the AFL in these states embarrass your code beyond belief. Even AFL expansion teams shame your heartland teams for attendances and memberships given they are supposed to be RL heartland.

So, state once and for all, what crowds and membership numbers do the Giants need in their first year for it to be considered a success?!

If its more than the Panthers you are essentially saying they are a failure.

so, out with it.

[NSWAFL]

They might get the wooden spoon as most first season clubs do but I think they will win games.

No big deal.

But they will get more than 1/4 of Skoda filled once it opens. Big hold back at Blacktown given it's small capacity.

sorry what

the Titans didn't finish with the wooden spoon in their first year in 2007
nor did the Storm in 1998


nor did the Rams in 1997
nor did the Reds in 1995
nor did the warriors or cowboys in 1995 either

you get the wooden spoon if you are CRAP ... nothing to do with it being your first year or not

Stop comparing your unbalanced piss weak competition with ours, Doofus. When clubs are shifting they have to suffer an adjustment period, which they are willing to do. I expect Sydney Uni to finish bottom of the Eastern Conference of the NEAFL for that reason. But that doesn't make them crap! You're only crap if you get multiple wooden spoons in a row.

[Raiderdave]

They might get the wooden spoon as most first season clubs do but I think they will win games.

No big deal.

But they will get more than 1/4 of Skoda filled once it opens. Big hold back at Blacktown given it's small capacity.

sorry what

the Titans didn't finish with the wooden spoon in their first year in 2007
nor did the Storm in 1998


nor did the Rams in 1997
nor did the Reds in 1995
nor did the warriors or cowboys in 1995 either

you get the wooden spoon if you are CRAP ... nothing to do with it being your first year or not

Stop comparing your unbalanced piss weak competition with ours, Doofus. When clubs are shifting they have to suffer an adjustment period, which they are willing to do. I expect Sydney Uni to finish bottom of the Eastern Conference of the NEAFL for that reason. But that doesn't make them crap! You're only crap if you get multiple wooden spoons in a row.

you are a **** .... seriously I have never seen a person so devoid of any knowledge .. about anything

[NSWAFL]

And yet you can't provide anything other than your own deluded opinion in reply. Way to lose an argument, Dave!

[Xman]

You haven't answered this Dave. How many members and what attendance average will indicate the Ginats have had a succesful first year?

Why are you avoiding the question?

[King-Eliagh]

What was your answer again Xman? I either missed it or you havent posted.

[Xman]

I think if they get 10k members and 15k crowds that will be an acceptable first season. Less would be poor. More a bonus.

[King-Eliagh]

Not really a tsunami there Xman. Many AFL folk and the media have been hyping this GWS team is set to take over sydney and the NRL... do you see the panthers becoming defunct or merging because of crowds this size Xman? Of course you dont think that as you've set the bar pretty low in terms of AFL standards, but I can see some logic to it. Of course they'd need to be improving by atleast 3k on each, each year to be seen as a respectable investment...