Which is the stronger heartland?

[NSWAFL]

I've just done a recce of Wikipedia and compared the number of rugby league competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (New South Wales including the ACT) to the number of AFL competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (Victoria). The difference is staggering, especially when you consider the population difference!

New South Wales have just 20 RL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_ ... ue#Regions

Victoria has 41 AFL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_ ... all_League

Now consider this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales#Population

The estimated population of New South Wales at the end of June 2010 was 7.24 million people. Population grew by 1.5% over the preceding year,[10] lower than the national rate of 1.7%.

62.9% of NSW's population is based in Sydney.[11]

62.9 percent of 7.24 million is about 4.5 million. That leaves 2.74 million in the regional areas. 137,000 per comp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(Australia)

Victoria is Australia's most densely populated state, and has a highly centralised population, with almost 75% of Victorians living in Melbourne, the state capital and largest city.

On the right hand side of the page the population of Victoria is quoted as 5,547,527 (say 5.5 million). 75 percent of 5.5 million is about 4.1 million. That leaves just 1.4 million in the regional areas, but just 34,000 per comp!

You would think in a heartland state like New South Wales there would be many more competitions wouldn't you? But nope, the game isn't as popular as one would think if you listen to Dave, Parra et al!

I'd compare Sydney to Melbourne, but finding links to metro open age rugby league to back up any numbers is proving hard. There are seven AFL leagues in Melbourne, but it looks like most of them are multiple division.

Let's see some links to numbers in metro Sydney for rugby league, so we can make a final comparison hey?

[Xman]

Nice!

These figures place serious question marks on the much touted regional AFL and NRL ratings figures. With such an intense following of ARs in regional Victoria, and no doubt other AFL heartland states, you'd think regional ratings figures for AFL states would fair even better comparatively to the cities. Yet the released figures indicate they aren't even close! An AFL final last year rated well over 1million from the 7mil city dwellers in Mel Ade Perth, yet less than 90k from the 3.1 regional audience of 3.1m!

Something's seriously wrong with these figures as we already suspected.

[Beaussie]

Well done NSWAFL and very good point raised by Xman about the flawed regional tv ratings.

[NSWAFL]

I already knew that.

[Raiderdave]

I've just done a recce of Wikipedia and compared the number of rugby league competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (New South Wales including the ACT) to the number of AFL competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (Victoria). The difference is staggering, especially when you consider the population difference!

New South Wales have just 20 RL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_ ... ue#Regions

Victoria has 41 AFL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_ ... all_League

Now consider this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales#Population

The estimated population of New South Wales at the end of June 2010 was 7.24 million people. Population grew by 1.5% over the preceding year,[10] lower than the national rate of 1.7%.

62.9% of NSW's population is based in Sydney.[11]

62.9 percent of 7.24 million is about 4.5 million. That leaves 2.74 million in the regional areas. 137,000 per comp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(Australia)

Victoria is Australia's most densely populated state, and has a highly centralised population, with almost 75% of Victorians living in Melbourne, the state capital and largest city.

On the right hand side of the page the population of Victoria is quoted as 5,547,527 (say 5.5 million). 75 percent of 5.5 million is about 4.1 million. That leaves just 1.4 million in the regional areas, but just 34,000 per comp!

You would think in a heartland state like New South Wales there would be many more competitions wouldn't you? But nope, the game isn't as popular as one would think if you listen to Dave, Parra et al!

I'd compare Sydney to Melbourne, but finding links to metro open age rugby league to back up any numbers is proving hard. There are seven AFL leagues in Melbourne, but it looks like most of them are multiple division.

Let's see some links to numbers in metro Sydney for rugby league, so we can make a final comparison hey?

you want to compare a regional giggleball league from Mildura ... with a couple of country hamlets near by
population 80K all up

to the Newcastle Coalfields Hunter RL comp ?
population .... 600K

to the Canberra Region Junior Rugby League ?
population .... 500K

or the Illawarra carlton League
population ... 350K

so you have 35 tin pot leagues in Victoria
we have some monster country divsions that would swamp them all .....
so yr lil thread
means squat
& its further proof
you are a knob .... fullstop

[Raiderdave]

oh I nearly forgot the short answer to yr question too

RL 136 Million
AFL ... 128 Million

which is stronger

Rugby League of course ...........

[ParraEelsNRL]

Hahahahaa, good stuff dave, imagine if you put in the big QLD comps as well.

[ParraEelsNRL]

That's not what they do in other countries aye Incest?

You know, 9 a side, or as in Russia, 9 all up lol.

[NSWAFL]

I've just done a recce of Wikipedia and compared the number of rugby league competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (New South Wales including the ACT) to the number of AFL competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (Victoria). The difference is staggering, especially when you consider the population difference!

New South Wales have just 20 RL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_ ... ue#Regions

Victoria has 41 AFL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_ ... all_League

Now consider this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales#Population

The estimated population of New South Wales at the end of June 2010 was 7.24 million people. Population grew by 1.5% over the preceding year,[10] lower than the national rate of 1.7%.

62.9% of NSW's population is based in Sydney.[11]

62.9 percent of 7.24 million is about 4.5 million. That leaves 2.74 million in the regional areas. 137,000 per comp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(Australia)

Victoria is Australia's most densely populated state, and has a highly centralised population, with almost 75% of Victorians living in Melbourne, the state capital and largest city.

On the right hand side of the page the population of Victoria is quoted as 5,547,527 (say 5.5 million). 75 percent of 5.5 million is about 4.1 million. That leaves just 1.4 million in the regional areas, but just 34,000 per comp!

You would think in a heartland state like New South Wales there would be many more competitions wouldn't you? But nope, the game isn't as popular as one would think if you listen to Dave, Parra et al!

I'd compare Sydney to Melbourne, but finding links to metro open age rugby league to back up any numbers is proving hard. There are seven AFL leagues in Melbourne, but it looks like most of them are multiple division.

Let's see some links to numbers in metro Sydney for rugby league, so we can make a final comparison hey?

you want to compare a regional giggleball league from Mildura ... with a couple of country hamlets near by
population 80K all up

to the Newcastle Coalfields Hunter RL comp ?
population .... 600K

to the Canberra Region Junior Rugby League ?
population .... 500K

or the Illawarra carlton League
population ... 350K

so you have 35 tin pot leagues in Victoria
we have some monster country divsions that would swamp them all .....
so yr lil thread
means squat
& its further proof
you are a knob .... fullstop

Links for that info please. And besides, you missed the point. There are less RL clubs per capita in it's heartland than there are AR clubs in it's heartland. And if those figures are right, you're destroying the others even more making them look even worse than they already do against the Victorian numbers!

[NSWAFL]

None of it, Intentcity. Parra is just one solid epic FAIL!

[Raiderdave]

I've just done a recce of Wikipedia and compared the number of rugby league competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (New South Wales including the ACT) to the number of AFL competitions in the regional areas of it's heartland (Victoria). The difference is staggering, especially when you consider the population difference!

New South Wales have just 20 RL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_ ... ue#Regions

Victoria has 41 AFL leagues in the regional areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_ ... all_League

Now consider this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales#Population 62.9 percent of 7.24 million is about 4.5 million. That leaves 2.74 million in the regional areas. 137,000 per comp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(Australia) On the right hand side of the page the population of Victoria is quoted as 5,547,527 (say 5.5 million). 75 percent of 5.5 million is about 4.1 million. That leaves just 1.4 million in the regional areas, but just 34,000 per comp!

You would think in a heartland state like New South Wales there would be many more competitions wouldn't you? But nope, the game isn't as popular as one would think if you listen to Dave, Parra et al!

I'd compare Sydney to Melbourne, but finding links to metro open age rugby league to back up any numbers is proving hard. There are seven AFL leagues in Melbourne, but it looks like most of them are multiple division.

Let's see some links to numbers in metro Sydney for rugby league, so we can make a final comparison hey?

you want to compare a regional giggleball league from Mildura ... with a couple of country hamlets near by
population 80K all up

to the Newcastle Coalfields Hunter RL comp ?
population .... 600K

to the Canberra Region Junior Rugby League ?
population .... 500K

or the Illawarra carlton League
population ... 350K

so you have 35 tin pot leagues in Victoria
we have some monster country divsions that would swamp them all .....
so yr lil thread
means squat
& its further proof
you are a knob .... fullstop

Links for that info please. And besides, you missed the point. There are less RL clubs per capita in it's heartland than there are AR clubs in it's heartland. And if those figures are right, you're destroying the others even more making them look even worse than they already do against the Victorian numbers!

get yr own fu.cking links
& you miss the point

it doesn't mean squat how many leagues there are
soccer has 10 times more leagues then RL... it does not get within a bar of league for popularity though
participation is not a guide , never has been.


AR is a girly sport to play ..... its easy .. played by boys with fannies who grow into men with fannies
RL is damn hard
thats why people who want to emulate our game .. without the pyshicality ... play touch & tag
combine the numbers of those that do play RL & its softier varients .. & our numbers would swamp AR

but one thing is for sure
they ALL sit down to watch the elite full contact version of which ever game they play on TV
the NRL
adults & children speak of little else on monday mornings at schools.. , offices & otherwork places throughout NSW the ACT & QLD

case closed

[NSWAFL]

Case not closed, because that is a game killer You need players at the grass roots otherwise the game will NOT grow!

You lot fall on TV ratings for a success line, while your next superstar is likely becoming a couch potato. I call that a massive fail.

[Raiderdave]

Case not closed, because that is a game killer You need players at the grass roots otherwise the game will NOT grow!

You lot fall on TV ratings for a success line, while your next superstar is likely becoming a couch potato. I call that a massive fail.

grass roots

hmmmmmmmmm

soccer anyone .............. more players then any sport in the land ... & what does that get them ... nuffin thats what

grass roots mean jack shit as a guide to popularity
its what you have to show the masses that count .. your top line .... end product
for RL
its the most popular sports comp in the country , the NRL ... 136 Million aussies say as much
they care not that they don't or can't play it ... its the sport they watch.... its popularity is about to go through the roof

sit back & enjoy

[NSWAFL]

Grass roots mean jack **** hey?

Grass roots is the reason why AFL is so strong! It's why we can start sides like the Suns and the Giants from scratch! Don't make a comparison to soccer because sponsors want nothing to do with the A-League. Due to the poor crowds and the lack of money within the playing clubs.

Poor grass roots means the elite level suffers. Relying on TV ratings to survive is a death sentence. You MUST have playing numbers, or you are doomed.

[Raiderdave]

Grass roots mean jack **** hey?

Grass roots is the reason why AFL is so strong! It's why we can start sides like the Suns and the Giants from scratch! Don't make a comparison to soccer because sponsors want nothing to do with the A-League. Due to the poor crowds and the lack of money within the playing clubs.

Poor grass roots means the elite level suffers. Relying on TV ratings to survive is a death sentence. You MUST have playing numbers, or you are doomed.

I will use soccer
you say sports die without grass roots
well what about , soccer .... more players.. & leagues then either of our codes

what has it done for them ?

& do you think no one plays RL

480,000 players for RL another 600K in tag & touch
.. no fudge fudge auskick BS here either
a 7% rise each year
we do just fine in our grass roots
but as I said

your big show .... your end game is what counts .... soccer has the players but not a vehicle Like RL's .. NRL ..or its SOO

Rugby leagues is a little pearler
kids are gravitating more then ever to our game ... we can't be stopped