International AFL vs International RL

Football development and expansion overseas. Which code is the biggest? Fight it out in here.
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NSWAFL wrote:
First Rugby World Cup was in 1954.
First International Cup was in 2002.

Yeah you might get good crowds, but we're just getting started! From acorns grow oak trees, Dave. AFL is expanding. Rugby League is sitting on it's thumbs just asking to be run over internationally! They're not in it for a giggle. They're in it to win!
don't gimme that BS..........AFL has been trying to export its product OS long before 2002....for 25 years at least, from the late 80's they were inflicting it on people in other countries in the UK.. USA .. Canada .. etc

all its achieved is a few bumbling fools playing it in a park
RL has made as many gains in the same time fram.. with the same bumbling fools playing our game in many more countries too .. as Parra has pointed out

but our game has & has for 117 years .. professional Leagues in other countries.
a world cup played by professionals ... a 4 nations every other year.

the name of this thread is International AFL vs International RL
its not even close .. to being close
RL miles ahead. :wink:
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Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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And drive other countries away, Xman! No wonder the RL World Cup can only attract 14 countries.
Rugby League has a lying culture. Altering crowd figures, relying on inaccurate TV figures from regional NSW and refusing to distance itself from Leagues Clubs and obtain it's own club memberships as it relies on LC's to survive as private entities.
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Raiderdave wrote:
its not even close .. to being close
RL miles ahead. :wink:
Not any more, Dave! The 21st century belongs to AFL. Besides, who says it's being played professionally for 117 years? The World Cup was only formed in 1954 and it only had four countries! Where was it before that? I think we need proof that it was played professionally anywhere before 1908 when the NSWRL was formed!
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It's an emerging nations cup. Nothing like our WC where the best nations play which is determined through qualification and ranking.

Do Aussie Rules even have a ranking system?

1. Australia

Daylight

2. Nauru

Here's the RL rankings. http://www.rlif.com/rankings
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NSWAFL wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
its not even close .. to being close
RL miles ahead. :wink:
Not any more, Dave! The 21st century belongs to AFL. Besides, who says it's being played professionally for 117 years? The World Cup was only formed in 1954 and it only had four countries! Where was it before that? I think we need proof that it was played professionally anywhere before 1908 when the NSWRL was formed!
UK .... 1895
New Zealand 1907
Australia 1908
France ... 1929

please , if you know nothing about something .... say as little as possible :roll:
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Evidence of professional rugby league in the UK please. Not amateur, professional.
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http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/Schism.html
Following a complaint from the Cumberland County Union that another club had lured one of their players away with monetary incentives. The Union established a committee of enquiry consisting of F. I. Currey, W. Cail and A. M. Crook which attempted to obtain evidence. The rugby union was warned that if the club involved was punished, all the chief clubs in Lancashire and Yorkshire, from which a large proportion of international players were drawn, would secede from the Union.

The matter came to a head at a general meeting of the rugby union on September 20th, 1893 at the Westminster Palace Hotel. At that meeting a proposal was made by J. A. Millar, of Yorkshire County and seconded by M. Newsome, also of Yorkshire (both members of the RU committee) that "players be allowed compensation for bona fide loss of time". This was opposed by G. Rowland Hill, Honorary secretary of the union since 81/82, supported by R. S. Whalley of Lancashire, a vice president, moved the following amendment: "that this meeting, believing that the above principle is contrary to the true interest of the game and its spirit, declines to sanction the same". This amendment was carried by 282 to 136 votes despite the Northerners traveling down to the meeting en mass in two special trains. H. E. Steed of Lennox F. C. had polled all the clubs in the union and had proxies for 120 clubs against professionalism.

The matter did not however end there and there was another general meeting held immediately afterwards where careful revisions were carefully prepared to crush and attempts to start professionalism in any form. By-law #1 for example was changed to declare that "the name of the society shall be called the 'Rugby Football Union' and only clubs comprised entirely of amateurs shall be eligible for membership, and its headquarters shall be London where all general meetings shall be held."

The issue of "broken time" payments then reached boiling point at the RFU's AGM. Hornby - a true amateur - argued for broken time payments because "the so-called amateur sides ask for large guarantees, publish no balance sheets and distribute expenses far larger than would be paid to a professional player".
Yorkshire complained that, although there are more rugby clubs in the North of England than in the South, more Southerners than Northerners populate the RFU Committee. Also, Committee meetings are held in London at times that are not suitable for Northern folk to attend.

More revisions were to be planned and implemented in 1895.

However, by the end of July 1895, Huddersfield, Batley, Dewsbury, Bradford, Manningham, Leeds, Halifax, Brighouse Rangers, Hull, Liversedge, Hunslet and Wakefield had announced their resignation from the Yorkshire Union. They were now rugby outcasts.

On Tuesday, August 20, at a meeting at the Mitre Hotel, Leeds, the 12 clubs agreed they should form a Northern Union, but at the same time made it clear they wished to retain their links with the Yorkshire Union. It was decided that a five-man panel would meet a sub-committee of the Yorkshire Union to place before them a scheme for the settlement of the dispute.' The Union, however, immediately rejected the proposal.

The clubs decided to break all links with the union and to form the Northern Rugby Football Union NRFU (on amateur lines, but with the acceptance of the principle of payment for broken time). It was also agreed to hold a joint meeting of Yorkshire and Lancashire clubs at the George Hotel, Huddersfield on Thursday, August 29, when the formation of the NRFU could be officially announced.

On September 19. 1895 at a general meeting of the RFU, further by-law changes were made to guard against professionalism which had been growing fast in the leagues of North England. Union clubs were forbidden to play Northern Union clubs and stricter rules against player payments were introduced. It was a very bitter severance of rugby into two rival camps and acrimony continued for close to a century.

The Northern Union was a run-away success with 59 teams being present at the first AGM on August 27th, 1876 and many more applications flooding in.

In the 1896/7 season the Northern Union introduced a challenge cup with all teams allowed to enter which caused great excitement and the final was held on May 1st 1897 between Batley and St. Helens at Headingley. Batley won 10 - 3 watched by between 13,000 to 14,000 fans who paid 620 pounds between them.

From 1895 to 1908 the most significant changes to the rules were made and Rugby League was transformed into an entirely different and unique game.
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NSWAFL wrote:
Evidence of professional rugby league in the UK please. Not amateur, professional.
it was the basis for the formation of our code breaking away from the amatuer rugby union you goose
to be paid

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No one was being paid to play sport in the 19th century you goose! Prove they were!
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cooee wrote:
If they can raise enough funds and find enough ex-pats any country can enter your cup.
Showing your ignorance of the Australian game again.
The IC is for non Australians only and has always been that way.
Finance is a limiting factor and the IC would've had about 50% more attendees if that wasn't the case.
Because of the large number of attendees, the IC had a seeding round to divide the competition into divisions.
Nice try Cos.
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NSWAFL wrote:
No one was being paid to play sport in the 19th century you goose! Prove they were!
The matter came to a head at a general meeting of the rugby union on September 20th, 1893 at the Westminster Palace Hotel. At that meeting a proposal was made by J. A. Millar, of Yorkshire County and seconded by M. Newsome, also of Yorkshire (both members of the RU committee) that "players be allowed compensation for bona fide loss of time". This was opposed by G. Rowland Hill, Honorary secretary of the union since 81/82, supported by R. S. Whalley of Lancashire, a vice president, moved the following amendment: "that this meeting, believing that the above principle is contrary to the true interest of the game and its spirit, declines to sanction the same". This amendment was carried by 282 to 136 votes despite the Northerners traveling down to the meeting en mass in two special trains. H. E. Steed of Lennox F. C. had polled all the clubs in the union and had proxies for 120 clubs against professionalism.
a vote by RU clubs .. attempting to guard against professionalism ... in 1893
The issue of "broken time" payments then reached boiling point at the RFU's AGM. Hornby - a true amateur - argued for broken time payments because "the so-called amateur sides ask for large guarantees, publish no balance sheets and distribute expenses far larger than would be paid to a professional player". Yorkshire complained that, although there are more rugby clubs in the North of England than in the South, more Southerners than Northerners populate the RFU Committee. Also, Committee meetings are held in London at times that are not suitable for Northern folk to attend.
more info eluding to players being played for their services in the late 19th century

& more here
On September 19. 1895 at a general meeting of the RFU, further by-law changes were made to guard against professionalism which had been growing fast in the leagues of North England. Union clubs were forbidden to play Northern Union clubs and stricter rules against player payments were introduced. It was a very bitter severance of rugby into two rival camps and acrimony continued for close to a century.
gee RL players having been paid to play for 117 years in the UK
who'd a thunk it :wink:


you are a ignorant flip ...who knows nothing about anything
refrain from putting your fat pudgy fingers onto a key board until you are sure of your facts

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RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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cooee wrote:
Do Aussie Rules even have a ranking system?
Showing your ignorance of the Australian game again.
Of course it has a ranking system, derived mainly from the IC then Internationals.
Nice try Cos.
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cos789 wrote:
cooee wrote:
Do Aussie Rules even have a ranking system?
Showing your ignorance of the Australian game again.
Of course it has a ranking system, derived mainly from the IC then Internationals.
whos the 4th most powerful pack of bumbling clowns in international flogball cuzzy ?

USA
NZ with its 600 players :-k

the new emerging super power .. South Africa ?

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NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
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But seriously though, AFL is a david without a slingshot compared to the goliath of international Rugby League. Comon AFL supporters, a lil bit of humble pie will do ya's the world of good.
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NSWAFL wrote:
First Rugby World Cup was in 1954.
First International Cup was in 2002.

Yeah you might get good crowds, but we're just getting started! From acorns grow oak trees, Dave. AFL is expanding. Rugby League is sitting on it's thumbs just asking to be run over internationally! They're not in it for a giggle. They're in it to win!
That's the thing. The rl types like to point out their position that seems to be going nowhere.
Possibly that's because rl is an English game and therefore an English responsibility.
The strength of rl internationally is that it has some countries playing above amateur status.
The weakness of rl internationally is the uneveness of the competing countries.
The IC has a rapidly increasing standard and profile with the next IC almost guarenteed being bigger and better.
ATM the strength of the IC is that there are a large number of countries within a competitive framework.
In the future there will be a lot greater distinction between the divisions but the divisions will be balanced.
Also it is a strength that Australia does not have the pretence of being a competitor but a number of countries will continue to develop strongly.
The RSA, PNG and NZ because of assistance will make continued gains to be at the forefront.
Europe, North America and the Pacific will be strong performers in the next group.
2011 newcomers like China and India should be improvers.
Then there should be a few newcomers to the next IC.
All in all a very balanced competition that in all probability will continue to develope in all aspects.
Nice try Cos.
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