Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[enarelle]

It would be good if we could start the New Year with the AFL crew helping out we "simple" rugby league supporters as to what "Aussie rules" will allow to be counted on the league side of the ledger. Now we do understand the basic principle that if something makes league look better than AFL then it has to go. Problem is that the league ratings keep growing so more needs to be removed from the count and you AFL guys can be a bit inconsistent as to what and when gets ditched.

So:

1. Rugby league is only allowed to count the NRL club games. There can be no inclusion of SOO or Tests or any level of the game that AFL does not have. Even next year when the structure of League changes these will still be out because the AFL "insiders" know that that this not real.

2. With regards to the NRL it can only be The Australian based teams whose ratings get included so out go the NZ Warriors and their 12m viewers for the year. The NRL never had "official approval" from the AFL to go outside Australia and given there never will be a foreign AFL team they are out.

3. With regards to the NRL it is actually not just the foreign team and their ratings that are out but also all regional teams and there supporters/viewers. So out goes Cowboys,Raiders,Knights and Illawarra part of the Dragons. This is a really good one for the AFL as they dont have any regional teams and there are more than three times the number of regional people in NSW/ACT/QLD than in Vic/TAS/WA/SA. Also there are some weekends when the regionals and the Warriors play each other so whole games wont have their home team ratings included. A master stroke.

4. So the AFL will have 18 teams next year and the NRL will only be "allowed" to count 11 teams ratings with no representative games. AFL must be safe now.

A couple of points of concern though that should be qualified. Firstly Foxtel intends to buy Austar. Austar is based in NSW/QLD and gets very high NRL ratings. If they become part of Foxtel then all you will see is Foxtel ratings with Austar rolled in. NRL ratings will jump 50% so we need a rule on how this can be "stopped"

Secondly and I hate to mention it, but when it comes to the 5 city metro ratings, and I know these are sacrosanct from a AFL perspective, the NRL are only 15% behind over the year. Even if you add back just the SOO games and tests there goes that margin. Of course that wont be allowed. Problem is that the metro ratings just keep growing. What happens with the new TV deal or even the current one next year if more NRL games get shown live/delayed into the AFL states? Those numbers,even minor ones,added to the natural growth and the15% is gone. Actually isn't 15% a very small advantage for an all conquering sport? You probably need some "rules" that give a 30% margin just to look good.

Now there is always the possibility that in the new NRL TV deal more games could end up on FTA which will also increase ratings. So we need some "rules" on this asap otherwise we just argue after the event.

OK so we have the basic premise in that anything that makes the AFL look inferior to the NRL is out. We just want to be structured and agreed.

PS NRL guys we know that the Warriors and the regional teams are out of the TV ratings but the good news we get to keep their crowd and membership numbers because they lower the averages of both.

[Topper]

How about a basic premise of accuracy and no lies? Did that even occur to you, enarelle? It's a very simple concept for "simple rugby league supporters". Also I would point this out; Since when did Sydney RL supporters not watch the regional NRL teams on television? And; TV ratings don't include New Zealand coverage at all for any sport and are of no interest to advertisers.

[enarelle]

Topper now How did I know I could rely on you. However,you need to be a bit more specific about what is allowed and what is not. Seems that you are saying it is OK for Sydney to people to watch a game between Canberra and Newcastle and their TV ratings to be included but we cant use the people in Canberra/ACT and Newcastle/Hunter Region. i think we got that one. NZ does not matter -even to NZ apparently - or those companies who have a Trans Tasman strategy. Why on earth would Jetstar advertise in NZ? Some rumour that Australia is the number holiday destination for Kiwis. Must be another NRL fabrication

As for the lying,cheating,stealing - is that all our sins - just trying to formalize the rules(Aussie) so we do trespass again.

[Topper]

You can't formalise anything until the regional viewers are counted correctly and accurately. At present they are not. NZ don't matter to Australian advertisers. How much money can they make from a Warriors game being shown on NZ television? Nothing. A Trans Tasman strategy involves two deals and not one. See my signature otherwise.

[Raiderdave]

You can't formalise anything until the regional viewers are counted correctly and accurately. At present they are not. NZ don't matter to Australian advertisers. How much money can they make from a Warriors game being shown on NZ television? Nothing. A Trans Tasman strategy involves two deals and not one. See my signature otherwise.

NZ broadcasters do pay the NRL tough Tipsy .. current deal .. 12 Mill a year , new deal tipped to be 20 mill a year
& if the NRL rates well there & continues to increase its ratings there .. as it is presently

guess what
they pay more next time round

[Raiderdave]

How about a basic premise of accuracy and no lies? Did that even occur to you, enarelle? It's a very simple concept for "simple rugby league supporters". Also I would point this out; Since when did Sydney RL supporters not watch the regional NRL teams on television? And; TV ratings don't include New Zealand coverage at all for any sport and are of no interest to advertisers.

so the ratings have to have the AFL in front
& anything that says otherwise is ..... inaccuarte & lies

[enarelle]

Dear Dave,

Like me you have seen the light. We just have to understand that the League numbers or part thereof will be ruled out of bounds while ever they show the NRL inf front.

[Topper]

Cumulative lies are the worst sort. That's RL and their supporters.

[Raiderdave]

Dear Dave,

Like me you have seen the light. We just have to understand that the League numbers or part thereof will be ruled out of bounds while ever they show the NRL inf front.

culmative

culmative

what the f'ing hell is that ?

cumulative much .............

what a ****
he can't even spell........

[Topper]

And all they can do is burp.

[Raiderdave]

Cumulative lies are the worst sort. That's RL and their supporters.

you just keep working on that math tipsy ........

repeat after me
800K a year .. is LESS then a million a year
not more

******** ..........

[Topper]

And burp.

[enarelle]

"Culmative" is just further proof that things "add up" differently in the alternate AFL world. Some cannot spell it and at least one does not know what it means.

The only numbers that matter are the ones have the AFL as number 1.

Still looking for guidance on what TV ratings the NRL is allowed to use this year.

[Topper]

All NRL games shown on free to air in metropolitan areas of Australia (no limit on participating teams), and all games shown on Pay TV. Regional areas can not be counted until such time as they are collected and properly collated, and cover all areas not covered by metropolitan areas without exception.

[enarelle]

ok. So all regional areas to be covered by either OZTAM or diary for ratings purposes.

Of course we cannot relt on those tricky TV stations/ratings agencies not to release data that will be used by the media,