Doea the AFL have anyone as tough as Darren Lockyer?

[King-Eliagh]

I'd have to say No Way Jose. And it's not necessarily that AFL players have more in common with dandelions than phsical and mental toughness. No in the past they were tougher...

You really have to look at the paternalistic rules enforced by the AFL around fighting, concussions and injuries. Its almost like one scratch to the face and you'll see AFL players being nursed off the field. One punch and you're a goner for weeks. This cant do much for the level of courage these modern AFL players would now have. Actually Reiwoldt is considered a big man of the game but this bloke cries at the drop of a hat. It's disgraceful and not really something I would want my children to ever see, be they boys or girls, I would be covering their eyes and instantly flicking the channel.

In contrast league still has champions who will risk life and limb for their passion, Rugby League. This is what I would want the littlons viewing, 'a Lockyer', yes that's right Grim and Beaussie 'a Lockyer' . A real champion with morals and values which transcend the sport itself, and a level of toughness, work ethic and grit well above any AFL man.

Although some of our AFL supporting members profess to not knowing who Lockyer is, they do, and deep down they also know that what I've said above is true. :D

[borgidiom]

The Grand Final was played in near perfect conditions. Geelong made their intentions clear right from the start when Mark Yeates ran through Hawthorn's champion centre half-forward and enforcer Dermott Brereton. As Geelong coach Malcolm Blight would later admit, this had been a premeditated strategy to protect star midfielder Paul Couch and negate Brereton, who constantly used his aggression to unsettle the opposition. Yeates was chosen to carry out the deed, partly as payback for when Brereton had flattened him in the classic Round 6 clash earlier in the season. Amidst the chaos in the middle of the ground, the Cats rushed the ball forward to Gary Ablett, who kicked the first of his nine goals for the afternoon. Yeates' hit left Brereton with broken ribs and a bruised kidney, which caused him internal bleeding. Hawthorn physiotherapist Barry Gavin recalled the scene years later:

"The thing that really struck me was how bad he was when I got there. He'd lost all the color in his face and was vomiting. He'd dragged himself back on his feet by this stage. But he was doubled over, dry-retching and his color was grey... There was no way he could stay out there. I remember looking up at [Hawthorn coach Allan Jeans] in the box and starting to try to get him off. Dermott said, 'No, no. Just get me down to the pocket'. Terry Gay (Hawthorn's team doctor) came out. He was more worried than me. He recognized the gravity of it."[2]

Despite the insistence of the club doctors and trainers, Brereton refused to leave the field and instead was helped to the forward pocket. Moments later, the ball came into Hawthorn's attacking zone. Brereton, only moments ago on the ground and seemingly out of the game, took a strong mark, steadied, and kicked truly to open Hawthorn's account. Brereton's inspirational act lifted the Hawks, and they slammed on a further seven goals to take a commanding 40-point lead at quarter time. However, Geelong's physical approach was starting to take its toll. Besides the injury to Brereton, John Platten had been concussed and Robert DiPierdomenico was crunched from behind by Ablett while going backwards to take a mark, and suffered broken ribs and a punctured lung, although at the time the full extent of the injury was not known.

[Grim Reaper]

What is a Lockyer? This is starting to become annoying you NRL mungos as never heard of this thing! :****

[King-Eliagh]

The Grand Final was played in near perfect conditions. Geelong made their intentions clear right from the start when Mark Yeates ran through Hawthorn's champion centre half-forward and enforcer Dermott Brereton. As Geelong coach Malcolm Blight would later admit, this had been a premeditated strategy to protect star midfielder Paul Couch and negate Brereton, who constantly used his aggression to unsettle the opposition. Yeates was chosen to carry out the deed, partly as payback for when Brereton had flattened him in the classic Round 6 clash earlier in the season. Amidst the chaos in the middle of the ground, the Cats rushed the ball forward to Gary Ablett, who kicked the first of his nine goals for the afternoon. Yeates' hit left Brereton with broken ribs and a bruised kidney, which caused him internal bleeding. Hawthorn physiotherapist Barry Gavin recalled the scene years later:

"The thing that really struck me was how bad he was when I got there. He'd lost all the color in his face and was vomiting. He'd dragged himself back on his feet by this stage. But he was doubled over, dry-retching and his color was grey... There was no way he could stay out there. I remember looking up at [Hawthorn coach Allan Jeans] in the box and starting to try to get him off. Dermott said, 'No, no. Just get me down to the pocket'. Terry Gay (Hawthorn's team doctor) came out. He was more worried than me. He recognized the gravity of it."[2]

Despite the insistence of the club doctors and trainers, Brereton refused to leave the field and instead was helped to the forward pocket. Moments later, the ball came into Hawthorn's attacking zone. Brereton, only moments ago on the ground and seemingly out of the game, took a strong mark, steadied, and kicked truly to open Hawthorn's account. Brereton's inspirational act lifted the Hawks, and they slammed on a further seven goals to take a commanding 40-point lead at quarter time. However, Geelong's physical approach was starting to take its toll. Besides the injury to Brereton, John Platten had been concussed and Robert DiPierdomenico was crunched from behind by Ablett while going backwards to take a mark, and suffered broken ribs and a punctured lung, although at the time the full extent of the injury was not known.

Oh Jesus

Borgidiom at least make some sort of comment with your own words. Cut and pasting some article tells us you are not willing to express your point but would prefer to hide behind someone elses. Now you've also posted your cut and paste post without reading mine. I said AFL were tougher and the article cut out you've pasted in was from about 20 years ago I think.

Now go and cut your weener off and paste it on your head borgidiom. That'd do a better job of expressing yourself accurately than the above.

[King-Eliagh]

Grim, I know, 'a Lockyer' doesnt exist in the AFL and its difficult for you folk to really understand that a Lockyer could exist. Someone like Dermie Brereton, who'm I'm sure you know, could be stated to be 1/8th of a Lockyer. But that might be overestimating Brereton a bit.

[borgidiom]

yeah was a pretty lazy effort i must admit, but i thought it showed a fair heroic effort.

There was an article in the DT today from some swan player given Lockyer some advice. Went through the exact same thing and played 3 games in a row in the 2005 final series. So its not like Lockyer is breaking new ground here.

[Grim Reaper]

Dermie played the 1989 Grand Final with a punctured lung so whoever this Lockyer is is nothing new. Just so typical of the NRL mungos to pretend they are doing heroic things when it is just a typical event in the AFL. But the question still remains....what is a Lockyer? >

[King-Eliagh]

There was an article in the DT today from some swan player given Lockyer some advice. Went through the exact same thing and played 3 games in a row in the 2005 final series. So its not like Lockyer is breaking new ground here.

I think it was Leo Barry, a legend in his own right and somewhat tough but do you know whether Leo stayed on the field during the same game he injured it?

[King-Eliagh]

Dermie played the 1989 Grand Final with a punctured lung so whoever this Lockyer is is nothing new. Just so typical of the NRL mungos to pretend they are doing heroic things when it is just a typical event in the AFL. But the question still remains....what is a Lockyer? >

Punctured lung that's nothin I had one of those and walked round for four days without realising. Just felt like asthma. Broken ribs on the other hand, well that hurts.

As I suggested though back in the 80's AFL players were kinda tough, before being mollycoddled by a bunch of wankers, with similar attitudes to TLPG, who set the new rules and had probably, like TLPG, never played a game in their lives.

Lockyer, the AFL needs one just admit it Grim and Borgidiom

[Grim Reaper]

I did a google search on the term Lockyer and nothing come up....this thing must exist in a parralel universe or is a fabrication of News Ltd and we all know they like to fudge up stories... :****

[rick-james]

Although I'll admit there's tough blokes in every sport, its a lot tougher to play hurt in league than it is in AFL.
If you have broken ribs, you can play your whole career with that in AFL, you'd be nuts to play 10 minutes of NRL.

[Dogs]

I did a google search on the term Lockyer and nothing come up....this thing must exist in a parralel universe or is a fabrication of News Ltd and we all know they like to fudge up stories... :****

Whats your search engine grim dribbler.com, I just search Lockyer and got About 6,230,000 results on google. Try that one champ

[Grim Reaper]

DOG you should know full well that looking up beastiality on the net is a no no

[King-Eliagh]

Although I'll admit there's tough blokes in every sport, its a lot tougher to play hurt in league than it is in AFL.
If you have broken ribs, you can play your whole career with that in AFL, you'd be nuts to play 10 minutes of NRL.

Yes a fine point there Rick. Nowhere to hide on the league field really. Not like Dermie did in the pocket. I mean even if you go onto the wing or fullback you're still going to have 100kg+ beasts running at you lining you up.

Tough sport, really tough.

[Grim Reaper]

The only that is tough for the Mungo nrl players is when they have to read a statment of apology for another one of their criminal escapades. By having to read this statement that is done in crayons and supported by pictures is real tough for these criminal riff raff, as they have to use something they do not have...a brain!