Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[Truthsayer]

how about the links I did provide
like the ones for the biggest AFL game so far this year ... being beaten by an "average " NRL game
how bout those links .. they're fine as you've indicated
so
would you mind commenting on those as I have asked
or has the cat got your tongue mr truthslayer ?

The links I requested were for your claims about stadium upgrades. You are yet to prove to me that these upgrades are happening.

I have already informed you that singling out one game is not credible. However as you are so keen to press it, allow me to provide some additional information that will put your assertion into a proper perspective;

Round 8 totals for the AFL (the round that included Geelong versus Collingwood)
* Sydney 140,000
* Melbourne 1,489,000
* Brisbane 203,000
* Adelaide 526,000
* Perth 514,000
TOTAL: 2,872,000 (not including Foxtel/Austar)
* Foxtel/Austar 609,000
TOTAL: 3,481,000

Round 10 totals for the NRL (the same weekend)
* Sydney 883,000
* Brisbane 560,000
* Melbourne 0 (no figures available)
* Adelaide 0 (no figures available)
* Perth 0 (no figures available)
TOTAL: 1,443,000 (not including Foxtel/Austar)
* Foxtel/Austar 799,000
TOTAL: 2,242,000

And for additional emphasis, the strength of something is not judged by it's strongest factor. It's judged by it's weakest. So;

Lowest AFL viewing for Round 8 (Free to Air)
* 195,000 (Adelaide versus Gold Coast)

Lowest NRL viewing for Round 10 (Free to Air)
* 109,000 (Newcastle versus New Zealand)

I see we now have Mr Dog entering the fray and putting over the idea of including regionals as though they would alter the entire playing field. RegionalTAM does not count all the regionals, and I note that you cut off your count of regional centres before getting to the centres in South Australia. This has an adverse effect on your assertions therein.

I also note that you only credit the programs that made the top 40 in your calculations. This is a tactic similar to that of Mr Raider. You can not ignore the games that don't make the top echelon because this is where (as I proved to Mr Raider in this entry) the AFL catches up. Whilst it is true based on the example I gave that pay TV is being won by the NRL (at least on that weekend), free to air has matters going in the other direction.

So in fact I do dispute you because you are not counting all the games played. You are only counting the top games and as I have proven this is a smoke screen that hides the true story.

[Onions]

Hey Puppies, if the regionals were ******* counted properly the AFL would still be ******* winning!! Stick that up your arse and **** it!

So are you suggesting the metro 5 city is correct, or did you just through a quick answer out because you can't read

Which? Beaussie's onsite or Puppies playing fucked up games?

[pussycat]

Firstly, it would affect the AFL more adversely because Broken Hill is a strong AFL town. Mildura is a major Victorian centre and the addition of South Australia and the Northern Territory would well outstrip the likely NRL viewing numbers missed in Queensland.

Broken Hill ? your desperate, lucky to have 20k and as much league played there as AFL. They have a team in one of the group comps. same with Northern Territory. I'll give you Mildura and its 30k population, although league is played there aswell. Outside of Adelaide there'd be 300k, and a large chunk of those are included in OzTam's metro adelaide count.

Secondly, double counting is not a myth. The boxes are not marked "OzTam" and "RegionalTam". They are simply boxes that exist and are counted. In areas where both regional and metropolitan channels can be viewed, OzTam count the regional channels as metropolitan because that is the only way they can translate the information. RegionalTam do the reverse. Count Southern Cross as Ten, Prime as Seven and Win as Nine and vice versa. If this is the result of "the best system weve got" then we have very serious issues. TV networks would see doubles ups as a positive because it increases advertising revenue. If the process was handled properly they would lose money and that's why they abide by the present system.

If its not a myth provide some real evidence , not just a flawed opinion! A person from, say, NNSW agrees to take the suvey. He obviously, lives in the NNSW survey area. His results are counted , only by NNSW. Totalled up with the other NNSW results then tabled. If you happen to be in an overlap area your either watching league on nbn or 9.

[Truthsayer]

Firstly, it would affect the AFL more adversely because Broken Hill is a strong AFL town. Mildura is a major Victorian centre and the addition of South Australia and the Northern Territory would well outstrip the likely NRL viewing numbers missed in Queensland.

Broken Hill ? your desperate, lucky to have 20k and as much league played there as AFL. They have a team in one of the group comps. same with Northern Territory. I'll give you Mildura and its 30k population, although league is played there aswell. Outside of Adelaide there'd be 300k, and a large chunk of those are included in OzTam's metro adelaide count.

Secondly, double counting is not a myth. The boxes are not marked "OzTam" and "RegionalTam". They are simply boxes that exist and are counted. In areas where both regional and metropolitan channels can be viewed, OzTam count the regional channels as metropolitan because that is the only way they can translate the information. RegionalTam do the reverse. Count Southern Cross as Ten, Prime as Seven and Win as Nine and vice versa. If this is the result of "the best system weve got" then we have very serious issues. TV networks would see doubles ups as a positive because it increases advertising revenue. If the process was handled properly they would lose money and that's why they abide by the present system.

If its not a myth provide some real evidence , not just a flawed opinion! A person from, say, NNSW agrees to take the suvey. He obviously, lives in the NNSW survey area. His results are counted , only by NNSW. Totalled up with the other NNSW results then tabled. If you happen to be in an overlap area your either watching league on nbn or 9.

It is truly amazing that you are unable to grasp the reality of matters, to which "real evidence" is not needed. I strongly suggest that you compare the programming of Seven, Nine and Ten to that of Prime, Win and Southern Cross. You will find that they are duplicated. Therefore in the overlap area content origin could not be distinguised. This leaves the option of OzTam and RegionalTam counting the box at the same time open. It can not be avoided. This is distinct from the old days when regional TV stations were truly stand alone.

I will get back to you on your claim about South Australia's regional population. I am certain that it is a lot more than 300,000.

[Truthsayer]

Here we go.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... #PARALINK6

Click on "Centre of Populations" and scroll down to "Estimated resident population". You will see under South Australia that the non Adelaide population numbers in excess of 400,000. It should also be noted that the Northern Territory population is in excess of 200,000. With the addition of Mildura this would be equal to the missing region in Queensland and New South Wales combined.

[Beaussie]

Look, enough with this regional bullshit. They don't count no matter how much you NRL fans wish that was not the case. FFS, get it through your thick skulls, the tv networks in the capital cities who do the bidding for tv programming, only care about the capital cities. That is the reality of tv broadcasting in this country. Learn to deal with it and develop a product that actually appeals to the masses in the capital cities. Here's a tip, a provincial competition restricted in its appeal to some parts of two states of the nation, does not bode well at the negotiating table.

I know, I know, you lot from the delusional world of the H posts don't like it, but again that is the reality in Australia. Again learn to deal with it. It aint changing anytime soon by the way.

[pussycat]

Here we go.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... #PARALINK6

Click on "Centre of Populations" and scroll down to "Estimated resident population". You will see under South Australia that the non Adelaide population numbers in excess of 400,000. It should also be noted that the Northern Territory population is in excess of 200,000. With the addition of Mildura this would be equal to the missing region in Queensland and New South Wales combined.

As I said Northern Territory is 50/50 so you gain nothing there.

And as I said with Regional SA, wether it be 300 or 400k a chunk is covered by OZTam's Adelaide.

And as for the previous thread , The football , and that is what we are talking about , The coverage is the same be it C9 ,NBN or Win

[Truthsayer]

Mr Pussycat are you seriously suggesting that transmissions from Adelaide cover the entire state of South Australia? I hope you are not because that would be an appalling case of poor information. If I am incorrect I require evidence that Seven, Nine and Ten is being received in places like Ceduna, Port Lincoln, Renmark and Mount Gambier, and not the re-transmissions provided by the regional carriers.

The coverage is not the same in the overlap areas. It is double because both C9 and Win are receivable to the one box.

[Raiderdave]

how about the links I did provide
like the ones for the biggest AFL game so far this year ... being beaten by an "average " NRL game
how bout those links .. they're fine as you've indicated
so
would you mind commenting on those as I have asked
or has the cat got your tongue mr truthslayer ?

The links I requested were for your claims about stadium upgrades. You are yet to prove to me that these upgrades are happening.

I have already informed you that singling out one game is not credible. However as you are so keen to press it, allow me to provide some additional information that will put your assertion into a proper perspective;

Round 8 totals for the AFL (the round that included Geelong versus Collingwood)
* Sydney 140,000
* Melbourne 1,489,000
* Brisbane 203,000
* Adelaide 526,000
* Perth 514,000
TOTAL: 2,872,000 (not including Foxtel/Austar)
* Foxtel/Austar 609,000
TOTAL: 3,481,000

Round 10 totals for the NRL (the same weekend)
* Sydney 883,000
* Brisbane 560,000
* Melbourne 0 (no figures available)
* Adelaide 0 (no figures available)
* Perth 0 (no figures available)
TOTAL: 1,443,000 (not including Foxtel/Austar)
* Foxtel/Austar 799,000
TOTAL: 2,242,000

And for additional emphasis, the strength of something is not judged by it's strongest factor. It's judged by it's weakest. So;

Lowest AFL viewing for Round 8 (Free to Air)
* 195,000 (Adelaide versus Gold Coast)

Lowest NRL viewing for Round 10 (Free to Air)
* 109,000 (Newcastle versus New Zealand)

I see we now have Mr Dog entering the fray and putting over the idea of including regionals as though they would alter the entire playing field. RegionalTAM does not count all the regionals, and I note that you cut off your count of regional centres before getting to the centres in South Australia. This has an adverse effect on your assertions therein.

I also note that you only credit the programs that made the top 40 in your calculations. This is a tactic similar to that of Mr Raider. You can not ignore the games that don't make the top echelon because this is where (as I proved to Mr Raider in this entry) the AFL catches up. Whilst it is true based on the example I gave that pay TV is being won by the NRL (at least on that weekend), free to air has matters going in the other direction.

So in fact I do dispute you because you are not counting all the games played. You are only counting the top games and as I have proven this is a smoke screen that hides the true story.

one game ?
it is your codes biggest game to date in 2011... its hardly a random comparison
the AFL's biggest .. " blockbuster " encounter of 2011 was beaten by an average run of the mill NRL encounter & you claim its not credible

seriously are you kidding >
you continue to put up rubbish ie only half of the ratings above minus the regionals .... again

when are you going to acknowledge the AFL is hammered when all regional Australians are included ..
& the Stark reality is when they are
your biggest game of the year is beaten by a near nothing game
& our attractive matches ... belt the bejesus out of it
game over
give up
your done

[Raiderdave]

Hey Puppies, if the regionals were ******* counted properly the AFL would still be ******* winning!! Stick that up your arse and **** it!

So are you suggesting the metro 5 city is correct, or did you just through a quick answer out because you can't read

not only can he not read
at times

he has no idea who he is .. you are .. I am ... he was , ahh they are
them was .. ummm , they is ? :_<>

:_<> :_<> :_<>

[Raiderdave]

Mr Pussycat are you seriously suggesting that transmissions from Adelaide cover the entire state of South Australia? I hope you are not because that would be an appalling case of poor information. If I am incorrect I require evidence that Seven, Nine and Ten is being received in places like Ceduna, Port Lincoln, Renmark and Mount Gambier, and not the re-transmissions provided by the regional carriers.

The coverage is not the same in the overlap areas. It is double because both C9 and Win are receivable to the one box.

they cover about 90% of the population of the state which is an area covering only 30% of the states land mass

so yes
thats exactly what hes saying

[pussycat]

Mr Pussycat are you seriously suggesting that transmissions from Adelaide cover the entire state of South Australia? I hope you are not because that would be an appalling case of poor information. If I am incorrect I require evidence that Seven, Nine and Ten is being received in places like Ceduna, Port Lincoln, Renmark and Mount Gambier, and not the re-transmissions provided by the regional carriers.

The coverage is not the same in the overlap areas. It is double because both C9 and Win are receivable to the one box.

The quote is right above, how could you get it wrong - How can you call your self truth sayer?? It cleary says a chunk And when thats taken out theres not a lot left.

PS. Ceduna ' population - 2 men and a dog

Your just repeating the same old crap. A person who receives two signals cannot be watching both. - http://www.oztam.com.au/pdf/TV_ratings/ ... rocess.pdf

[Onions]

Where's that fucking metro coverage map again? Link it and watch Truth tear you fuck wits a new one! I know I fucking said that you two were fucking stupid over it. Show the map to Truth and see what fucking happens!

[Dogs]

Mr Pussycat are you seriously suggesting that transmissions from Adelaide cover the entire state of South Australia? I hope you are not because that would be an appalling case of poor information. If I am incorrect I require evidence that Seven, Nine and Ten is being received in places like Ceduna, Port Lincoln, Renmark and Mount Gambier, and not the re-transmissions provided by the regional carriers.

The coverage is not the same in the overlap areas. It is double because both C9 and Win are receivable to the one box.

they cover about 90% of the population of the state which is an area covering only 30% of the states land mass

so yes
thats exactly what hes saying

Are you really trying to suggests there is a big gap with regional SA as a problem, but you want us to accept ozTAM figures as the national figure. Are you kidding yourself.

Truthslayer, you are really cluching at straws here, the latest popluations I can find 2010 (wikipedia) of these towns are as follows:
Renmark: 8,054
Mount Gambier: 23,494
Port Lincoln: 13,044
Ceduna: 2,304

Now I really understand your comments suggesting that Regional South Australia is so disadvantage with big numbers like this, very amusing.

Before you crack us up again at least do some research. If you are seriously suggesting that these type of towns are going to make a big difference, good luck, that is why I stop at 30K based towns. I will be happy to compare them with the missing small towns in NSW and QLD. If this is all you have got, 4 towns that represent 2.8% of SA 1.6 mill population, again amusing. Now let compare that to Newcastle which is not in the ozTAM figures, that you all so dearly only want to use. Newcastle is a single town and represents 7.6% of NSW population and 2.5% of the Australian population, now there is a number worth considering hey !!!!!!!!

[Raiderdave]

Where's that ******* metro coverage map again? Link it and watch Truth tear you **** wits a new one! I know I ******* said that you two were ******* stupid over it. Show the map to Truth and see what ******* happens!

its a few pages back doofus
you post it again & watch truthslayer turn to water