Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

Onions · Post by **Onions** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:06 pm

You don't fucking ignore them! You remove the fucking overlaps!! How many times do I have to say that to get it through that thick fucking neanderthal skull of yours, Puppies?

Post by **Beaussie** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:42 am

Dogs wrote:
Onions wrote:
I'll "fluff" it around, by calling OzTam a pack of liars!! They are only worried about their little metro figures. What RegionalTam do is none of their ******* business because it's NOT THEIR JOB!!!!

There's an overlap, right? So double counting is UNAVOIDABLE!! The only way to avoid it is to shut off the ******* overlap!!
No, double counting is not UNAVOIDABLE unless you like Beaussie are putting on two tv's in your house just to increase the AFL viewers.

I don't have a box but what you have just described does indeed happen.

OzTAM's chief executive, Doug Peiffer, is open about the scope for misinterpretation. ''It's always ideal to have a bigger sample, but the users of the data [networks and media buyers] have to be aware of how to treat that number,'' he says.

If advertisers could pitch one product to everyone, all they would care about is buying the largest audience. But not everyone wants a Toyota HiLux or needs Huggies disposable nappies. So advertisers, and therefore networks, care about the smaller, demographic breakdowns. However, there's another potential flaw, one Peiffer is less eager to discuss. Asked about the scope for panellists to manipulate the ratings, he sounds momentarily surprised. ''The television meter - they can't tamper with [that],'' he says. Technically, this is true. The meter captures audio from the television's speaker to determine what is being broadcast on any TV in use and seamlessly transmits its data overnight from the surveyed homes. What Peiffer is reluctant to contemplate, at least publicly, is human nature: the desire to influence society or to see one's identity confirmed in the communal mirror.

As a former panellist, ''Roger'' understands those motivations. For years, Roger, who asked not to be identified, manipulated the ratings. When ratings for the last season of Big Brother dipped, Roger and his Sydney housemates ''stacked the branch''. Instead of reporting just their own presence in front of the TV, they also fabricated guests.

''We had Big Brother watching parties,'' he says. ''We'd input a dozen people or more within the key demographic â€¦ Whenever we had something we enjoyed or wanted to keep on air, we'd fudge the figures.''

OzTAM excludes up to 10 per cent of homes each night because of technical failure or suspicious behaviour, but Roger says his home was never challenged and remained on the panel for four years, the maximum allowed. It is unknown whether Roger is typical, which seems unlikely, or merely a one-off poster child for culture jammers.

Another gap in the ratings concerns the fact that only homes are monitored. TVs in offices, hotels, schools, pubs and elsewhere are excluded as too hard to measure. And stations that don't pay OzTAM are measured but not rated. Some pay TV channels are not included, nor are community stations. Likewise, TV content that is watched on a computer is ignored, although Peiffer says OzTAM is investigating ways to measure web viewing.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... z1T9wewjKV

I'm with Onions on the double counting/overlapping areas. RegionalTAM is seriously flawed and whilst OzTAM isn't perfect with many flaws itself, as I've said time and time again here, the capital cities are the currency by which programming is negotiated and sold. You lot of the NRL persuasion don't like that, but that is the reality. Deal with it.

Dogs wrote:
Lets finalise this debate debate and discuss the other source of revenue, Pay TV. This is where a good chunk of your last negotiations $ came from. NRL has dominated Pay TV for years and is again this year. But nah we will never get the same $ as you guys. Give me a break. Happy to debate over these things, but you are way to unrealistic. Don't ever say NRL fans are one eyed. Present me some figures and I will admit I am wrong, but this comment proves regardless of what is presented to you, you still can't see the trees through the forest.

How about you take the blinkers off and look at the PayTV picture for the AFL. Most games are simulcast on FTA reducing the PayTV figures. Foxtel paid a record amount for the AFL broadcasting rights to all games live as of next season. The Foxtel CEO himself described the AFL as the most important tv product when the deal was announced. Watch out NRL, you're about to get a reality check now that we will be comparing apples vs apples when it comes to PayTV next season and onwards.

Onions · Post by **Onions** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:05 am

Hey I hate TLPG, but he had a good idea about changing the technology didn't he? What was it again?

Post by **Beaussie** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:09 am

Onions wrote:
Hey I hate TLPG, but he had a good idea about changing the technology didn't he? What was it again?

Not sure but wish he would come back to enlighten our throwball fans on the reality in this country. He was great at that.

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:15 am

Beaussie wrote:
Onions wrote:
Hey I hate TLPG, but he had a good idea about changing the technology didn't he? What was it again?
Not sure but wish he would come back to enlighten our throwball fans on the reality in this country. He was great at that.

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Onions · Post by **Onions** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:10 am

Oh fuck I'm actually agreeing with Raider Boy!!

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:50 pm

Beaussie wrote:
There's an overlap, right? So double counting is UNAVOIDABLE!! The only way to avoid it is to shut off the ******* overlap!!

Perhaps you could provide some details on how double counting happens. Instead of repeating and repeating it add nausium. Or is that to much to ask?

Beaussie wrote:

I don't have a box but what you have just described does indeed happen.

There's no doubt of that ,there 's flaws and other tricks to. But, what you refuse to admit is that both system are open to abuse - equally.

I'm with Onions on the double counting/overlapping areas. RegionalTAM is seriously flawed and whilst OzTAM isn't perfect with many flaws itself, as I've said time and time again here, the capital cities are the currency by which programming is negotiated and sold. You lot of the NRL persuasion don't like that, but that is the reality. Deal with it.

How about providing some detail, instead of regurgitating the same old crap.

The major networks might be the one's that do the negotiations but they take into account there affiliate stations.

And If I agreed with Onions about anything I certainly woulde be telling anyone about it. That an admittance right there that you have NFI.

Onions · Post by **Onions** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:01 pm

pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
There's an overlap, right? So double counting is UNAVOIDABLE!! The only way to avoid it is to shut off the ******* overlap!!
Perhaps you could provide some details on how double counting happens. Instead of repeating and repeating it add nausium. Or is that to much to ask?

Translation: LALALALALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU (yelled while the fingers are in the ears)

I ALREADY FUCKING EXPLAINED IT, YOU STUPID merkin!!! LEARN TO READ!!! And learn to fucking quote as well because that was me you quoted, not Beaussie!

Post by **Beaussie** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:48 pm

Lets see, last weeks ratings. The ratings that matter mosts to the tv networks. Total viewers for the respective codes last week (including PayTV capital/regional figures) are shown below. Absolute smashing victory for the AFL as you can see. Please note, the NRL has not once this season outrated the AFL. Same last season and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that. You get the picture.

Anyway, here are the figures from last week. Throwball fans, please feel free to point out any week (yeah even just one) where the NRL rated better than the AFL.

AFL
Round 17 - Total - 3,252,000

NRL
Round 19 - Total - 2,659,000

http://www.talkingfooty.com/tv_ratings_2011.php

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:32 pm

Try comparing apples with apples! Friday night we smashed you even without 30% of our audience =D> =D> =D>

Post by **Beaussie** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:38 pm

pussycat wrote:
Try comparing apples with apples! Friday night we smashed you even without 30% of our audience =D> =D> =D>

That's not comparing apples with apples. Our Friday night game is delayed in all markets, some markets by up to 3-4hrs. Yours is live. That aside, we still smash you in the total viewers stakes each round of the season, each and every season. That's why our code is worth $1.235 Billion to the broadcasters and yours is worth a piddly $500 million. We achieved your current deal/figure 2 broadcast rights deals ago. 10 years ago in fact. That's how far behind and how big the gap actually is throwball fans. Reality is harsh isn't it. :<>

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:48 pm

Lack of intest? Is that why its delayed.

Add the millions you don't like to count and we win prety much every week, and that with a lot less matches on FTA. It takes 30 of your matches to get as many viewers as we got to just 3 Origin games.

Onions · Post by **Onions** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:46 pm

Intest?? Where is that in the fucking dictionary??

It's delayed because Melbourne AFL clubs still have issues with "live against the gate". They want attendances because they know how important it is. That's more that what your fucking NRL clubs want to know about!

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:01 am

Beaussie wrote:
Lets see, last weeks ratings. The ratings that matter mosts to the tv networks. Total viewers for the respective codes last week (including PayTV capital/regional figures) are shown below. Absolute smashing victory for the AFL as you can see. Please note, the NRL has not once this season outrated the AFL. Same last season and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that. You get the picture.

Anyway, here are the figures from last week. Throwball fans, please feel free to point out any week (yeah even just one) where the NRL rated better than the AFL.

AFL
Round 17 - Total - 3,252,000

NRL
Round 19 - Total - 2,659,000

http://www.talkingfooty.com/tv_ratings_2011.php

I'm looking at the Link
I don't see any regional figures for either code

so lets have a little estimate shall we

AFL 4 games ...
125K to 150K a game .... so between 500K & 600K to be added
NRL 3 Games ....
350K to 450K a game so a minimum of a million to be added up to 1.3 million

both codes sitting on around 3.8 Million
but .. but
the AFL having 4 games on FTA
to the NRL's ...3

...

got a white flag ?

Post by **Beaussie** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:51 am

Onions wrote:
Intest?? Where is that in the ******* dictionary??

It's delayed because Melbourne AFL clubs still have issues with "live against the gate". They want attendances because they know how important it is. That's more that what your ******* NRL clubs want to know about!

This. Oh and the fact we didn't whore ourselves to the first available tv network like the NRL did.

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Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)