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[pussycat]

Way to avoid my last post, Pussycat.

It has been proven that there is NO testing on NRL players outside of the season, whereas in the AFL there IS!

I didn't avoid your post, but rather ignored ity. It has little or no credibility. Quiet frankly, even if true, what is the relevance? Why don't you include a few facts in your post? Your always lecturing others about facts.

- The NRL get around 70 of the top 100 programs on Pay TV. ~ FACT

- The NRL regions Sydney/Brisbane get 3 or 4 x as much money, for advertising time, as the areas Perth, Adelaide and Hobart from FTA TV. ~ Fact

- The NRL regions Newcastle/Woolongong/G.Coast get 2X as much money, for advertising time, as the areas Perth, Adelaide and Hobart from FTA TV. ~ Fact

- The NRL has more content on TV(surveys support this)
- the NRL competion has extra rounds
- The NRL competion has test matches, Origin matches aswell as other representative matches. ~ Fact, Fact and Fact.

- The NRL has a presence overseas. ~ Fact.

[TLPG]

And you are still avoiding the fact that the AFL is belting the NRL in number of local clubs and competitions on the terms I said on the post you are avoiding like the plague. In that post I rendered your "facts" moot.

PS - Just because the NRL has a presence overseas doesn't mean the AFL doesn;t either. 15 countries participated in the last AFL International Cup - NOT including Australia! How many countries played in the last RL World Cup?

[Beaussie]

And just to rub it in, I did some digging on Wikipedia about the state of thugby league across New South Wales, and I found that it's in a shocking state compared to the state of AFL in Victoria. Don't believe me?

AFL
National Clubs - 10
State Clubs - 11
Melbourne Competitions - 7
Melbourne Clubs - 228
Country Competitions - 42
Country Clubs - 450

NRL
National Clubs - 10
State Clubs - 6
Sydney Competitions - 1
Sydney Clubs - 9
Country Competitions - 23
Country Clubs - 224

Funny how the NRL heartland in New South Wales can't support as many clubs and comps in it's region than AFL heartland in Victoria - despite a higher population base. Hmmm?

I can rub it in further if you like and bring out the reverse figures (AFL in NSW and thugby league in Victoria).

Oh yes please.

[TLPG]

I put it on the other thread, but just for consistency here;

AFL Comps in NSW (not including ACT) - 12
RL Comps in Victoria - 3

AFL Clubs in NSW (not including Sydney or the ACT) - 84
RL Clubs in Victoria - 18

They can't win can they, Beau?

[King-Eliagh]

And to inject some much needed fact into this debate, ecstasy, the drug John's admitted to taking, is only detectable in the body for 2-4 days after use. So unless the NRL was testing the guy around 100 times a year you would think it wouldnt be that hard for the guy to avoid detection right?

Clearly he was never tested throughout his career. Imagine how many other NRL players are running around in the same situation avoiding detection.

Clearly he was never tested throughout his career? Hello McFly, anybody home?

Beaussie, I'll say it again and try to dumb it down for you as you obviously dont get it, and your number one groupie TLPG was again oblivious.

Fact - Andrew Johns took ecstasy.
Fact - Ecstasy is only detectable in the body for 2-4 days.
Fact- There are 7 days in a week. (yep, its true TLPG )

Statement - This means Johns could have easily taken ecstasy once a week and still had more than a 50% chance of not being detected. I've got a good feeling he took it nowhere near once a week which would have significantly lowered his chances of being caught.

Now please tell me how you can state he was "clearly never tested"?

You also posted the AFL tests in the off season. That's all good but your rubbish about AFL players signing up to 'say no to drugs' is hilarious. You think that because they say they wont do drugs means they wont? That's a bulletproof policy right there! :_<>

Being both a supporter of the AFL and NRL I have to say that the evidence and facts posted by yourself and others during this debate clearly highlight the NRL drug policy is way stronger.

Just speakin it how it is,

King

[Raiderdave]

And you are still avoiding the fact that the AFL is belting the NRL in number of local clubs and competitions on the terms I said on the post you are avoiding like the plague. In that post I rendered your "facts" moot.

PS - Just because the NRL has a presence overseas doesn't mean the AFL doesn;t either. 15 countries participated in the last AFL International Cup - NOT including Australia! How many countries played in the last RL World Cup?

again.. a furphy
AFL is played by more people then RL .. thats not news
League is the most watched sport in NSW/ACT & QLD ... not played , & one of the main reasons leagues participation rates doesn't match its popularity is .. it has a reputation as being too rough a sport for a lot of mums ... the full contact version has a lot of smaller skinnier kids playing soccer in the Nthn States cos mum won't let them play League , ... & this would reflect soccer having by far the highest numbers of players up here... but .. not being in the same postcode for popularity as League when people sit down to watch their fav sport.

also ... we have 2 versions of non.. or light .. contact of our game that are immensly popular ...Touch & Oz Tag
both were invented from our game .. touch in the 1960's ... tag in the 1990's
both have play the balls .. both have sets of 6 plays before you turn the ball over .. touch has no kicking ... tag .. some
it is a very popular alternative to full contact league .. & union too

Touch & Oz Tag ... both combined have about 330,000 registered players
add this to Leagues 220,000 registered club players ... & another 230,000 school players ... & we are well above the 700K mark for players of our game or its lighter contact versions

keep pulling out irrelavent facts that add nothing to the debate
you are very good at diversionary tactics .. when your argument is going down the gurgler
& facts that are all but pointless when talking about the real issues.

[TLPG]

again.. a furphy
AFL is played by more people then RL .. thats not news

And THAT is why AFL is a better game, and THAT'S where the money is! Watching it on TV doesn't help the clubs gain membership and stay afloat.

I notice that you are yet to defy my 247 number on NSW RL clubs (senior). What, found out I was right huh? I might just add up Queensland's as well just to embarass your precious game still further!

[King-Eliagh]

And you are still avoiding the fact that the AFL is belting the NRL in number of local clubs and competitions on the terms I said on the post you are avoiding like the plague. In that post I rendered your "facts" moot.

PS - Just because the NRL has a presence overseas doesn't mean the AFL doesn;t either. 15 countries participated in the last AFL International Cup - NOT including Australia! How many countries played in the last RL World Cup?

again.. a furphy
AFL is played by more people then RL .. thats not news
League is the most watched sport in NSW/ACT & QLD ... not played , & one of the main reasons leagues participation rates doesn't match its popularity is .. it has a reputation as being too rough a sport for a lot of mums ... the full contact version has a lot of smaller skinnier kids playing soccer in the Nthn States cos mum won't let them play League , ... & this would reflect soccer having by far the highest numbers of players up here... but .. not being in the same postcode for popularity as League when people sit down to watch their fav sport.

also ... we have 2 versions of non.. or light .. contact of our game that are immensly popular ...Touch & Oz Tag
both were invented from our game .. touch in the 1960's ... tag in the 1990's
both have play the balls .. both have sets of 6 plays before you turn the ball over .. touch has no kicking ... tag .. some
it is a very popular alternative to full contact league .. & union too

Touch & Oz Tag ... both combined have about 330,000 registered players
add this to Leagues 220,000 registered club players ... & another 230,000 school players ... & we are well above the 700K mark for players of our game or its lighter contact versions

keep pulling out irrelavent facts that add nothing to the debate
you are very good at diversionary tactics .. when your argument is going down the gurgler
& facts that are all but pointless when talking about the real issues.

Superb relevant and fact filled post raider. TLPG so often throws a dummy and takes a side step at the same time before getting absolutely crunched and crying because you touched his shoulder in the tackle. As his personal coach im disappointed in him but will persevere.

[TLPG]

League is the most watched sport in NSW/ACT & QLD ... not played , & one of the main reasons leagues participation rates doesn't match its popularity is .. it has a reputation as being too rough a sport for a lot of mums

Missed this. You are talking about JUNIORS. I'm not. I'm talking about senior open age.

And I'll just address the other codes you are talking about - they are so far away from RL (despite the same aspects you talk about) they aren't even related except in creation. AFL has a recreational version which is still in it's infancy (I think it was first created in the early 2000's so it's even younger than OzTag), but the rules by and large are the same.

[pussycat]

again.. a furphy
AFL is played by more people then RL .. thats not news

And THAT is why AFL is a better game, and THAT'S where the money is! Watching it on TV doesn't help the clubs gain membership and stay afloat.

I notice that you are yet to defy my 247 number on NSW RL clubs (senior). What, found out I was right huh? I might just add up Queensland's as well just to embarass your precious game still further!

That figure of 247, even if accurate, means nothing. As I said earlier it's all about quality not quantity . You cant simply say we have more dots on our map therefore we have a better competition.

Outside of the main AFL sides what games are broadcast on TV on a weekly basis?
Other than the NRL, the Toyota Cup and the Qld Cup are broadcast in our code on a weekly basis .

[King-Eliagh]

And I'll just address the other codes you are talking about - they are so far away from RL (despite the same aspects you talk about) they aren't even related except in creation. AFL has a recreational version which is still in it's infancy (I think it was first created in the early 2000's so it's even younger than OzTag), but the rules by and large are the same.

And here I was thinking you were improving.

Oztag and Touch footy "not even related to Rugby League, except in creation"

Oh boy you've done it again! So ahhh mmm so ahhh lemme think using TLPG logic (my apologies putting the words 'think' and 'logic' so close to the name 'TLPG' )

So then TLPG if something was 'created' by something else, this doesnt mean there is a 'relation'? > ... I've never felt so distant from my mother and father you bastard! :_<>

Keep it going TLPG!!! You're one of the all time greats!

not even related!!! :_<> :_<> :_<>

[TLPG]

again.. a furphy
AFL is played by more people then RL .. thats not news

And THAT is why AFL is a better game, and THAT'S where the money is! Watching it on TV doesn't help the clubs gain membership and stay afloat.

I notice that you are yet to defy my 247 number on NSW RL clubs (senior). What, found out I was right huh? I might just add up Queensland's as well just to embarass your precious game still further!

That figure of 247, even if accurate, means nothing. As I said earlier it's all about quality not quantity . You cant simply say we have more dots on our map therefore we have a better competition.

Outside of the main AFL sides what games are broadcast on TV on a weekly basis?
Other than the NRL, the Toyota Cup and the Qld Cup are broadcast in our code on a weekly basis .

VFL, SANFL, WAFL and TFL on the ABC every Saturday afternoon and add Sunday afternoon when the finals start.

It IS about quantity, because the more people are involved - the more money is coming in. And the more people are involved, the better the quality because the more people there are, the more likely you get the best people for whatever job it may be - playing, umpiring, admin etc. This all flows on the better results in other areas.

Quality without quantity is not possible.

[pussycat]

And THAT is why AFL is a better game, and THAT'S where the money is! Watching it on TV doesn't help the clubs gain membership and stay afloat.

I notice that you are yet to defy my 247 number on NSW RL clubs (senior). What, found out I was right huh? I might just add up Queensland's as well just to embarass your precious game still further!

That figure of 247, even if accurate, means nothing. As I said earlier it's all about quality not quantity . You cant simply say we have more dots on our map therefore we have a better competition.

Outside of the main AFL sides what games are broadcast on TV on a weekly basis?
Other than the NRL, the Toyota Cup and the Qld Cup are broadcast in our code on a weekly basis .

VFL, SANFL, WAFL and TFL on the ABC every Saturday afternoon and add Sunday afternoon when the finals start.

It IS about quantity, because the more people are involved - the more money is coming in. And the more people are involved, the better the quality because the more people there are, the more likely you get the best people for whatever job it may be - playing, umpiring, admin etc. This all flows on the better results in other areas.

Quality without quantity is not possible.

1 good, in this case, competition is always better than 2 crappy competitions. You may have 247 competitions but what does this proove? As I said we have three competition on TV. And there not shown on charity TV - either.

Also who are these overseas networks that pay to watch your game?

[TLPG]

This isn't about 1 in 2, because it takes more to run a FL club than an RL club for a start. Think of it like this. 247 x 15 = 3705. 699 x 18 = 12582. Nearly three and half times the numbers and that's just first grade!!

And just how many of those lower grade games are shown live? I'll tell you something - the Foxtel Cup (look it up) is shown live on Pay TV. And the ABC shows those state league games live as well. AND the Tiwi Islands GF ACROSS AUSTRALIA! How many local RL comps can claim that hmmm?

Every country that played in the International Cup has access to our game via their TV networks in some form, otherwise interest wouldn't be maintained. Have a read of this on Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian ... _the_world

[Beaussie]

also ... we have 2 versions of non.. or light .. contact of our game that are immensly popular ...Touch & Oz Tag
both were invented from our game .. touch in the 1960's ... tag in the 1990's
both have play the balls .. both have sets of 6 plays before you turn the ball over .. touch has no kicking ... tag .. some
it is a very popular alternative to full contact league .. & union too

Touch & Oz Tag ... both combined have about 330,000 registered players
add this to Leagues 220,000 registered club players ... & another 230,000 school players ... & we are well above the 700K mark for players of our game or its lighter contact versions

Oh dear, now I've heard it all. Now you're trying to claim Touch Football and OzTag as registered participants for Rugby League. Pathetic.