AFL vs NRL - the TV war

[TLPG]

On the ACT - how come the government there spends more on Ainslie, Manuka, Tuggeranong and Jamison (the four main AFL venues in Canberra for those playing at home) than they do on ANY rugby venue? Answer me that! And I can tell you that the ratings would be good for Prime - if they would just take into account that there IS support for the game in Canberra (they think there isn't and they couldn't be more wrong).

Don't generalise about North QLD. I said Cairns, and I was NOT including Townsville. You seem to think that AFL is getting murdered. Then how come Southport and Cazalys are doing so well? How come other grass roots AFL clubs are able to keep going in NRL heartland? Doesn't happen with rugby clubs in AFL heartland. And if you think that Wagga and Griffith are NRL heartland (they are north of Holbrook) you really are dreaming! 50/50 my friend. Same for Cairns and the Gold Coast. GC have seven AFL clubs (including Southport). South East Queensland hosts the Northern Conference of the North East Australian FL and has three other divisions of competition and a few other clubs besides! It has a team from NT playing against them - and it's competitive as well!

Add it all up, and you'll see that NRL is struggling in South East Queensland. They might have made up some ground in recent years, but the AFL is still winning where it counts. In revenue. Why do you think the Broncos wanted Bennett back so badly? Because the only way they can compete is to start winning flags again like they used to.

Face facts - the AFL is beating the NRL on a nationwide scale. You want to preach Townsville, Tamworth, Coffs Harbour? Go right ahead. It won't get you anywhere because even those places have AFL clubs - right smack in the middle of NRL heartland. And they survive as well and have done in the case of Townsville since 1955.

[Raiderdave]

On the ACT - how come the government there spends more on Ainslie, Manuka, Tuggeranong and Jamison (the four main AFL venues in Canberra for those playing at home) than they do on ANY rugby venue? Answer me that! And I can tell you that the ratings would be good for Prime - if they would just take into account that there IS support for the game in Canberra (they think there isn't and they couldn't be more wrong).

Don't generalise about North QLD. I said Cairns, and I was NOT including Townsville. You seem to think that AFL is getting murdered. Then how come Southport and Cazalys are doing so well? How come other grass roots AFL clubs are able to keep going in NRL heartland? Doesn't happen with rugby clubs in AFL heartland. And if you think that Wagga and Griffith are NRL heartland (they are north of Holbrook) you really are dreaming! 50/50 my friend. Same for Cairns and the Gold Coast. GC have seven AFL clubs (including Southport). South East Queensland hosts the Northern Conference of the North East Australian FL and has three other divisions of competition and a few other clubs besides! It has a team from NT playing against them - and it's competitive as well!

Add it all up, and you'll see that NRL is struggling in South East Queensland. They might have made up some ground in recent years, but the AFL is still winning where it counts. In revenue. Why do you think the Broncos wanted Bennett back so badly? Because the only way they can compete is to start winning flags again like they used to.

Face facts - the AFL is beating the NRL on a nationwide scale. You want to preach Townsville, Tamworth, Coffs Harbour? Go right ahead. It won't get you anywhere because even those places have AFL clubs - right smack in the middle of NRL heartland. And they survive as well and have done in the case of Townsville since 1955.

the Govt spends money where it sees a need .. the League venues in the ACT are in pretty good nick & the AFL ones dilapidated... again .. this has ZERO influence on a sports popularity anyway. Prime know what the AFL will rate if up against league .. they did put it up against the NRL in 2008 ... it got the bejesus knocked out of it .. they stopped doing it & rightly so .. there is no market for it. Cairns .. Townsville ... Mackay .. Rockhampton .. all League Strongholds .. everyone of them
Southport & Cazalys do well because they are close to a lot of people who want to play the pokies .. nothing to do with any interest in AFL or any sport for that matter. I mean If AFL is soooooo popular on the GC then why poach an NRL star for 3 million dollars .. surely they didn't need him if theres wall to wall AFL supporters... if there was ever a pointer to your assumption being wrong .. this is it.
With the exception of areas in the Riverina there is no place in NSW that League doesn't monster all other sports , Wagga & Griffith have strong Cultures in both codes as I did point out ... places like Temora , Young , Tumut .. Cootamundra & Junee.. Yanco Leeton West Wylong all have AFL teams , but these are League towns & strongly so.
AFL clubs have always existed in areas outside of its heartland ... again , that doesn't mean the sport is popular in these areas .. or gaining popularity because they quite clearly aren't
the only source of anything otherwise is AFL puff pieces .. propaganda that you seem to swallow , but smarter more discerning judges like
myself take with a grain of salt... its smoke & Mirrors

We'll start to get our revenue house in order starting with a billion dollar plus TV deal starting in 2013 .. when we do we'll be even more unstoppable then we are now in our backyard .. face it we can't be beaten on on our patch
the AFL has tried ... what have they spent .. 250 Million in the last 30 years on trying to gain the assendency North of the Murray
... but they have not succeded.. & their lame pathetic attempt to change tact & poach our players to help launch their new teams is testiment to how little the AFL have come & a back handed compliment to League by pretty much admitting how hard its been & will be for them in the future

Nuh
keep trotting out irrelavent examples of where AFL clubs are in NSW & QLD .. as you point out they've been there since day dot .. & its counted for very little.

[pussycat]

Especially as Nine seems to be the only FTA network interested in it. I've never known Seven or Ten to compete for it. The competition is partly why the AFL can pull a higher price (along with other factors).

The contract before last 7 & 10 both bid for it, matter of fact there joint bid was the highest bid. But Murdoch, the owner of the NRL and foxtel and Kerry Paker discredited the 7/10 bid and sold the rites to themselves for chicken feed. And that has been our problem. But with News Ltd leaving our game it wont take Rugby League long to reclaim any lost groud. While our next rights deal may not match yours the next one more than will and as we get more money our game will stregthen, we wont lose players to other codes and will take on greater expansion. The gulf between our codes will only continue to grow until your game is only played in front of family and friends.

[King-Eliagh]

I mean If AFL is soooooo popular on the GC then why poach an NRL star for 3 million dollars .. surely they didn't need him if theres wall to wall AFL supporters... if there was ever a pointer to your assumption being wrong .. this is it.

Hear Hear! This is the best peice of evidence so far made available on this thread for League's domination in the GC region!

keep trotting out irrelavent examples of where AFL clubs are in NSW & QLD .. as you point out they've been there since day dot .. & its counted for very little.

=D>

Couldn't have said it better.

[TLPG]

the Govt spends money where it sees a need .. the League venues in the ACT are in pretty good nick & the AFL ones dilapidated... again .. this has ZERO influence on a sports popularity anyway.

ROTFLMAO! Are you serious?? Who in their right mind would go to a poor venue? Name me ONE venue that hosts thugby that's better than Manuka. Bruce Stadium doesn't count because that's within the AIS precinct and gets federal money.

Prime know what the AFL will rate if up against league .. they did put it up against the NRL in 2008 ... it got the bejesus knocked out of it .. they stopped doing it & rightly so .. there is no market for it.

Oh yes there is! The FTA figures in regional areas are rubbish and always have been. Prime have always relied on that and it's WRONG! They just won't get it through their thick skulls that the FTA process of ratings is rubbish.

Cairns .. Townsville ... Mackay .. Rockhampton .. all League Strongholds .. everyone of them

I call BS on Cairns. The comp there can compete with the country comps in Victoria. Many recruits to and from Cairns come from clubs like Redan, Kyabram, Swan Hill - all strong clubs at the local level. There is MONEY in AFL in Cairns. Why do you think the Suns are playing a home game there and there have been pre season games there in the past?

Southport & Cazalys do well because they are close to a lot of people who want to play the pokies .. nothing to do with any interest in AFL or any sport for that matter.

WRONG! The money the pokies make go into the local club or clubs, and the players know it.

I mean If AFL is soooooo popular on the GC then why poach an NRL star for 3 million dollars .. surely they didn't need him if theres wall to wall AFL supporters... if there was ever a pointer to your assumption being wrong .. this is it.

Karmichael Hunt gave GC nothing in terms of popularity. He wanted to play AFL, and GC were the ones to give him the chance. If the Suns weren't recruiting he would have played somewhere else. The fellow they recruited for crowds was Gary Ablett Junior - an AFL player! And do tell me which NRL club could pay Hunt 3 million?

With the exception of areas in the Riverina there is no place in NSW that League doesn't monster all other sports , Wagga & Griffith have strong Cultures in both codes as I did point out ... places like Temora , Young , Tumut .. Cootamundra & Junee.. Yanco Leeton West Wylong all have AFL teams , but these are League towns & strongly so.
AFL clubs have always existed in areas outside of its heartland ... again , that doesn't mean the sport is popular in these areas .. or gaining popularity because they quite clearly aren't

*cough cough* Sapphire Coast *cough cough*

And I'll say it again, where is the thugby presence in AFL heartland? NOWHERE!!

We'll start to get our revenue house in order starting with a billion dollar plus TV deal starting in 2013 .. when we do we'll be even more unstoppable then we are now in our backyard .. face it we can't be beaten on on our patch

If the NRL get that deal it will be with the help of New Zealand money. Without it there's no way they'll get that much money.

the AFL has tried ... what have they spent .. 250 Million in the last 30 years on trying to gain the assendency North of the Murray
... but they have not succeded.. & their lame pathetic attempt to change tact & poach our players to help launch their new teams is testiment to how little the AFL have come & a back handed compliment to League by pretty much admitting how hard its been & will be for them in the future

The only thing they're doing wrong right now is pressing West Sydney ahead of Canberra. We still have a long way to go I agree, but we are going to win eventually because we have more money in our clubs (note what the Storm had to do to succeed and they were rightly punished for it). The NRL HAVE to raise their salary cap otherwise they will be slaughtered and Hunt and Folau will only be the start.

I rather think I know more about the state of the game than you do.

Pussycat, I found your post to be more informative. With News Limited's alleged involvement with the Storm fiasco, their departure from the board room can only help. But without New Zealand I maintain what I said. Remember that the AFL won't be stopping at 18 clubs Tasmania is next in the chute for sure and if they don't follow that with Canberra they are mad. Not to mention the possibility of third clubs in Adelaide and Perth.

[enarelle]

The Swans -where are they nearly thirty years down the track? Best to compare to other AFL teams who while they may have 50k at a game can rely on having around 500k watching a FTA game so for every fan at the game they have ten watching. For the Swans well they close to having a one to one ratio. Best summed up by their own CEO,Richard Colless,who said we have no latent support ie no support outside our core membership. From the Swans again they estimate that 60% of their members are from AFL states ie not locals. Bottom line is the Swans peaked 5 years ago and it was not that high a peak.

Foxtel is currently trying to buy Austar-that's how unimportant the regionals are. Of course to the AFL they are unimportant because their 800k in subscribers live in NSW/QLD so they are NRL people.

Some guy called Demetriou said a while back that 65% of the advertising dollars in this country come from NSW/QLD. So it is not Sydney/Melbourne that matter. He even used the "R" word when describing how important is was for the AFL to grow north of the Murray.

Same guy also acknowledged the "failure" of the Swans to capture a meaningful market share and was the "logic" for GWS.

Seems like at least a couple of senior AFL people know where they stand north of the Murray

[Raiderdave]

the Govt spends money where it sees a need .. the League venues in the ACT are in pretty good nick & the AFL ones dilapidated... again .. this has ZERO influence on a sports popularity anyway.

ROTFLMAO! Are you serious?? Who in their right mind would go to a poor venue? Name me ONE venue that hosts thugby that's better than Manuka. Bruce Stadium doesn't count because that's within the AIS precinct and gets federal money.

Prime know what the AFL will rate if up against league .. they did put it up against the NRL in 2008 ... it got the bejesus knocked out of it .. they stopped doing it & rightly so .. there is no market for it.

Oh yes there is! The FTA figures in regional areas are rubbish and always have been. Prime have always relied on that and it's WRONG! They just won't get it through their thick skulls that the FTA process of ratings is rubbish.

Cairns .. Townsville ... Mackay .. Rockhampton .. all League Strongholds .. everyone of them

I call BS on Cairns. The comp there can compete with the country comps in Victoria. Many recruits to and from Cairns come from clubs like Redan, Kyabram, Swan Hill - all strong clubs at the local level. There is MONEY in AFL in Cairns. Why do you think the Suns are playing a home game there and there have been pre season games there in the past?

Southport & Cazalys do well because they are close to a lot of people who want to play the pokies .. nothing to do with any interest in AFL or any sport for that matter.

WRONG! The money the pokies make go into the local club or clubs, and the players know it.

I mean If AFL is soooooo popular on the GC then why poach an NRL star for 3 million dollars .. surely they didn't need him if theres wall to wall AFL supporters... if there was ever a pointer to your assumption being wrong .. this is it.

Karmichael Hunt gave GC nothing in terms of popularity. He wanted to play AFL, and GC were the ones to give him the chance. If the Suns weren't recruiting he would have played somewhere else. The fellow they recruited for crowds was Gary Ablett Junior - an AFL player! And do tell me which NRL club could pay Hunt 3 million?

With the exception of areas in the Riverina there is no place in NSW that League doesn't monster all other sports , Wagga & Griffith have strong Cultures in both codes as I did point out ... places like Temora , Young , Tumut .. Cootamundra & Junee.. Yanco Leeton West Wylong all have AFL teams , but these are League towns & strongly so.
AFL clubs have always existed in areas outside of its heartland ... again , that doesn't mean the sport is popular in these areas .. or gaining popularity because they quite clearly aren't

*cough cough* Sapphire Coast *cough cough*

And I'll say it again, where is the thugby presence in AFL heartland? NOWHERE!!

We'll start to get our revenue house in order starting with a billion dollar plus TV deal starting in 2013 .. when we do we'll be even more unstoppable then we are now in our backyard .. face it we can't be beaten on on our patch

If the NRL get that deal it will be with the help of New Zealand money. Without it there's no way they'll get that much money.

the AFL has tried ... what have they spent .. 250 Million in the last 30 years on trying to gain the assendency North of the Murray
... but they have not succeded.. & their lame pathetic attempt to change tact & poach our players to help launch their new teams is testiment to how little the AFL have come & a back handed compliment to League by pretty much admitting how hard its been & will be for them in the future

The only thing they're doing wrong right now is pressing West Sydney ahead of Canberra. We still have a long way to go I agree, but we are going to win eventually because we have more money in our clubs (note what the Storm had to do to succeed and they were rightly punished for it). The NRL HAVE to raise their salary cap otherwise they will be slaughtered and Hunt and Folau will only be the start.

I rather think I know more about the state of the game than you do.

Pussycat, I found your post to be more informative. With News Limited's alleged involvement with the Storm fiasco, their departure from the board room can only help. But without New Zealand I maintain what I said. Remember that the AFL won't be stopping at 18 clubs Tasmania is next in the chute for sure and if they don't follow that with Canberra they are mad. Not to mention the possibility of third clubs in Adelaide and Perth.

I rather think you know nothing ... about anything , & your hilariously ignorant , straw clutching posts are proof

cough cough .. sapphire coast ..
cough cough ... Group 7 & 16 of the CRL ?.... Bega , Eden Pambula ..
its Rugby League Territory

come back when you actually know something ... I mean read up on it I don't care , in fact it might be wise too
because you're really making yourself look like a wombat

[Raiderdave]

The Swans -where are they nearly thirty years down the track? Best to compare to other AFL teams who while they may have 50k at a game can rely on having around 500k watching a FTA game so for every fan at the game they have ten watching. For the Swans well they close to having a one to one ratio. Best summed up by their own CEO,Richard Colless,who said we have no latent support ie no support outside our core membership. From the Swans again they estimate that 60% of their members are from AFL states ie not locals. Bottom line is the Swans peaked 5 years ago and it was not that high a peak.

Foxtel is currently trying to buy Austar-that's how unimportant the regionals are. Of course to the AFL they are unimportant because their 800k in subscribers live in NSW/QLD so they are NRL people.

Some guy called Demetriou said a while back that 65% of the advertising dollars in this country come from NSW/QLD. So it is not Sydney/Melbourne that matter. He even used the "R" word when describing how important is was for the AFL to grow north of the Murray.

Same guy also acknowledged the "failure" of the Swans to capture a meaningful market share and was the "logic" for GWS.

Seems like at least a couple of senior AFL people know where they stand north of the Murray

cracking post
but be careful ... TPLG has revealed the AFL's secret weapon

did you know they actually play AFL in Cairns
yeah ... how bout them apples eh

yeah I dunno what it means either

[TLPG]

The pair of you have no idea. AFL on the Sapphire Coast is strong. Not as strong as the Riverina, granted, but stronger than other regional areas.

AFL in Cairns is way stronger than it is in Townsville. Oh, they do play AFL in Townsville, Mackay and Rockhampton BTW.

Foxtel want Austar because of the general population - not for NRL OR AFL based revenue alone. They want the whole country going through them. I don't think Optus Vision is even around anymore (wouldn't know for sure). They've already got the whole of Western Australia.

PS - the Swans are a lot better off than they were in the wake of the Edelsten era. And they will continue to pull consistent crowds, and thrash NRL crowds whenever there are only one or two NRL games in Sydney. The only time the NRL total in Sydney will beat a Swans game at the SCG is if they have three games on. Doesn't matter where - Penrith, Parramatta, Leichardt, Brookvale, Belmore, Kogarah or the SFS. And note that it's rare now that the SCG isn't packed - and yet the SFS is half empty lots of times! And what's the capacity of the other venues while I'm on the subject?

Colless is talking out of his hat. Supporters came from everywhere when the Swans won the 2005 AFL flag. There were still some supporters around in the wake of the 1996 grand final appearance. And the core membership is growing. There's nothing wrong with drawing that from other parts of Australia - it is after all our national game!

The Swans are better off than North Melbourne, Hawthorn or the Western Bulldogs.

[Raiderdave]

The pair of you have no idea. AFL on the Sapphire Coast is strong. Not as strong as the Riverina, granted, but stronger than other regional areas.

AFL in Cairns is way stronger than it is in Townsville. Oh, they do play AFL in Townsville, Mackay and Rockhampton BTW.

Foxtel want Austar because of the general population - not for NRL OR AFL based revenue alone. They want the whole country going through them. I don't think Optus Vision is even around anymore (wouldn't know for sure). They've already got the whole of Western Australia.

PS - the Swans are a lot better off than they were in the wake of the Edelsten era. And they will continue to pull consistent crowds, and thrash NRL crowds whenever there are only one or two NRL games in Sydney. The only time the NRL total in Sydney will beat a Swans game at the SCG is if they have three games on. Doesn't matter where - Penrith, Parramatta, Leichardt, Brookvale, Belmore, Kogarah or the SFS. And note that it's rare now that the SCG isn't packed - and yet the SFS is half empty lots of times! And what's the capacity of the other venues while I'm on the subject?

Colless is talking out of his hat. Supporters came from everywhere when the Swans won the 2005 AFL flag. There were still some supporters around in the wake of the 1996 grand final appearance. And the core membership is growing. There's nothing wrong with drawing that from other parts of Australia - it is after all our national game!

The Swans are better off than North Melbourne, Hawthorn or the Western Bulldogs.

ummmm.....
We've already had 2 35,000 NRL crowds in Sydney this year , & 3 others in the early 30 thousands
the Swans have had 1 over 30K

the biggest football crowd last year at the SCG was an NRL crowd of 38K
so what was it you were saying about Swans crowds .... always thrashing Sydney NRL crowds & this not happening only when there is 3 NRL games in Sydney...
Swans games are always packed are they
the Swans are averaging about 26K at the SCG this year .. the SCG capacity is 46K
thats a tick over half full



oh .. &
the Swans are broke ... haven't you heard
Andy D had to address the players recently ensuring their survival

please stop posting cr@p
you continue to make yourself look like a goose

[TLPG]

Personal abuse isn't going to win you the argument. I'll check those figures and get back to you.

[King-Eliagh]

Personal abuse isn't going to win you the argument. I'll check those figures and get back to you.

Youre even wrong here. Stating that you are posting rubbish is not personal abuse, it's fairly factual.

Can't wait to here your thoughts after you "check those stats" TLPG

I'm predicting some kind of rant about how the numbers are there but arent correct

[TLPG]

Okay I've had a look, and the majority of NRL crowds in Sydney have been below 20K. There have been a few below 10K.

The Swans are yet to have a crowd below 20K, and won't.

[Raiderdave]

Okay I've had a look, and the majority of NRL crowds in Sydney have been below 20K. There have been a few below 10K.

The Swans are yet to have a crowd below 20K, and won't.

ummm ... didn't you say Swans crowds always thrash Sydney NRL crowds ..always ?
in fact your inference was it takes 3 Sydney NRL crowds to out number one Swans crowd



that is incorrect ?..... isn't it

[TLPG]

Where are the AFL crowds below 20K then? The fact that the Swans are consistently above 20K and the Sydney NRL clubs can get less than 10K means the NRL is getting thrashed. The AFL hasn't had any crowd below 10K since Fitzroy were in the comp!