More evidence for the toughest code

[Xman]

the AFL wont grow globally. Our country is too isolated, too small, and not influential enough to grow our unique sport overseas. NFL is massive in the USA, and despite the US being the most influential nation in the world, Gridiron has barely expanded beyond limited play in a few other countries. Does this make Gridiron a poor sport?

[AFLsforPussies]

the AFL wont grow globally. Our country is too isolated, too small, and not influential enough to grow our unique sport overseas. NFL is massive in the USA, and despite the US being the most influential nation in the world, Gridiron has barely expanded beyond limited play in a few other countries. Does this make Gridiron a poor sport?

Grid Iron is followed in other nations though. Canada has it's own professional Grid Iron league called the CFL. www.cfl.ca

You see so even Grid Iron has grown in a neighbouring nation, yet AFL has had no luck! With no professional following in New Zealand after a 100 plus years to grow the sport there.

Really says a lot about AFL.

[Xman]

the AFL wont grow globally. Our country is too isolated, too small, and not influential enough to grow our unique sport overseas. NFL is massive in the USA, and despite the US being the most influential nation in the world, Gridiron has barely expanded beyond limited play in a few other countries. Does this make Gridiron a poor sport?

Grid Iron is followed in other nations though. Canada has it's own professional Grid Iron league called the CFL. http://www.cfl.ca

You see so even Grid Iron has grown in a neighbouring nation, yet AFL has had no luck! With no professional following in New Zealand after a 100 plus years to grow the sport there.

Really says a lot about AFL.

it has a small following internationally but generally speaking is fairly well ignored by most countries. Pretty amazing given the influence the US has on most other nations. If gridiron struggles to expand the AFL has no hope

[Swans4ever]

Real hit ups unlike those lame AFL ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_G1MhDMOAI

Pretty easy to brace for a hit you know is coming - try getting hit when your not expecting it - try backing into a back, try marking a ball over your opponent with your arms outstretched unable to protect yourself, try evading tackles coming from 360 degrees not just one direction most of all try doing this for 4 x 30 min periods where they stop the clock whenever the ball is not in play! Yep it was proved with Folaou and Hunt it is tougher than anything in RL, have to be fitter, better skilled and have a brain! There is simply no contest!

Oh no here we go with the 360 degrees lol. =D> Those tackles in your AFL video were soft as bananas man. Most were just guys bumping into each other. =D> =D>

Two guys running head on at full speed with bulk is always going to hurt more. You guys are well behind the other 3 oval ball codes as well as Ice hockey. Nice try lol

you're not seriously defending two players senselessly running into each other?

Thats the most hilarious part of RL, mindless collisions again and again. Like watching a pole being driven into the ground. So predictable, so boring.

What ever happened to evasion? Passing the ball? Something different?

Have you seen players like Matt Moylan and Greg Inglis how they evade taclers to get tries?

Mean while in AFL you guys are so stupid you don't get penalised for not being able to catch and or dropping the ball constantly. Yep a game of skill lol
Then you get a point for not kicking straight and have no crossbar to make it even easier to score

No wonder no other country has ever taken up AFL seriously lol. =D> =D>

And guess what, no other country ever will :_<> :_<>

Man have you ever watched the NBA? Guys bump into each other all the time.

AFL soft soft soft

Yep and that's why only 7k bothered to turn up in Sydney on Friday night!!!! Because it is sooooo entertaining! Hahaha seriously dude give up running with a ball under you arm in a straight line is not hard - try bouncing a ball, marking over head, hand passing, kicking on the run over 50 meters(that's half the distance of a RL field) there is no comparison as for the scoring that's what makes the game different - it's not exactly hard to touch a ball on the ground when you have 68 meters to do it in! Even then RL players regularly drop the ball then have a scrum (which is not a scrum like RU where you CAN lose the scrum!). It's a joke!

Looked like less than half that at the last gws match in Western Sydney on the weekend lol

But I am sure AFL will inflate the numbers to give that AFL basket case some dignity

I agree scrums in Rugby League are pointless and they probably will go.

Saying that, getting a point for missed shots at goal and having no crossbar anywhere really takes the skill level in AFL goals to pretty much zero skill.

Then you have the constant drop balls, wrestling on the ground to get the ball. Everyone falling over lol.. No strict rules for a foot being out. =D> =D> =D>

AFL has fuck all chance of any serious international following due to the poor scoring skills. Is just a fact man.
Apparently AFL has been trying for years in the UK with no real success and AFL has been around in New Zealand as long as Rugby League and still nothing decent there lol

Now if AFL was such a skilled and respected game, why does it have next to no luck with strong overseas support??

Have you even played the game??
Seems to me you don't understand something so you attack it!!
Whether it's followed or played overseas is hardly the point - Australia's geographic location and isolation account for this - but by the same token why has NZ win the International cup??? Why has PNG why has Ireland, why does USA and Canada compete every year????? It's because although it has taken a long time it is starting to gain niche support.
But again why is this important to you do you need some validation from this fact????
Try the game before you bag it and if you like something it shouldn't matter who else likes it - that's part of having an adult perspective!

It is the point because if a sport is seen as skilled and respected, it gains more support globally. Which is not the case for AFL.
Those are tiny niche teams in those countries you mention. Rugby League has teams in all those nations too. If the AFL international cup had any real quality about it. It would be televised.
No TV network wants to show the AFL international cup the standard must be that amateur.

Rugby Leagues world cup is Televised and has people that want to watch it.

I know I would have no trouble scoring in AFL. Conversion kicks and field goals were my specialty when I played Rugby League. And AFL goals have no crossbar.
Plus I could catch bombs really well being a fullback. Distant running I admit I would struggle with in AFL as I am built more like a sprinter.
Plus most league players would hit a player if they constantly tugged on their shirt and man handled them like they do in AFL. Such dirty dumb play.

You look at how much they drop the ball in AFL and how many goals would miss if there was a crossbar or no extra side goals.
You can try all the convincing you want, most people outside of AFL circles will always see the sport as unskilled.

So someone who has never played the game is so convinced that AF is inferior to RL - you think you would be good at marking the ball but you don't know do you - you don't have the luxury of knowing where your opponent is and you can't protect yourself, you think you would be able to kick the ball well but you don't know do you, you have never had to kick on the run (in RL this is a rearity), you haven't had to take shots from tight angles with opposition in front to the side and behind bearing down on you, As for dropping the ball - well RL players do this all the time don't they, but an AFL player is expected to hand pass, bounce the ball, hit the ball to advantage, mark the ball - yet you focus on one area and say see that justifys that! Lastly again RL has had the advantage of RU being very similar and hence easy to adapt OS in addition the advantage of it being invented in England which is closer to Europe - having said that why was so many players born in breed in Australia playing for other countries in the last RLWC - the tenuous links they had to some countries was laughable some players had played for Australia and never been to the country they played for (not to mention some actually played RU)- doesn't this make the notion of a true international presence contrived and really misleading??? Your arguments are really based around the fact coming from England you look down on anything not English and therefore inferior - how about you actually play the game before you pass judgement!

[Swans4ever]

the AFL wont grow globally. Our country is too isolated, too small, and not influential enough to grow our unique sport overseas. NFL is massive in the USA, and despite the US being the most influential nation in the world, Gridiron has barely expanded beyond limited play in a few other countries. Does this make Gridiron a poor sport?

Grid Iron is followed in other nations though. Canada has it's own professional Grid Iron league called the CFL. http://www.cfl.ca

You see so even Grid Iron has grown in a neighbouring nation, yet AFL has had no luck! With no professional following in New Zealand after a 100 plus years to grow the sport there.

Really says a lot about AFL.

it has a small following internationally but generally speaking is fairly well ignored by most countries. Pretty amazing given the influence the US has on most other nations. If gridiron struggles to expand the AFL has no hope

Don't think it will ever expand beyond a niche sport which is fine by me - my point is really how does this fact detract from the qualities of the sport??? By saying that OS countries haven't embraced it is proof the sport is no good is really a dumb argument given the fact RL isn't really that big either in comparison to other sports.

[AFLsforPussies]

Real hit ups unlike those lame AFL ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_G1MhDMOAI

Pretty easy to brace for a hit you know is coming - try getting hit when your not expecting it - try backing into a back, try marking a ball over your opponent with your arms outstretched unable to protect yourself, try evading tackles coming from 360 degrees not just one direction most of all try doing this for 4 x 30 min periods where they stop the clock whenever the ball is not in play! Yep it was proved with Folaou and Hunt it is tougher than anything in RL, have to be fitter, better skilled and have a brain! There is simply no contest!

Oh no here we go with the 360 degrees lol. =D> Those tackles in your AFL video were soft as bananas man. Most were just guys bumping into each other. =D> =D>

Two guys running head on at full speed with bulk is always going to hurt more. You guys are well behind the other 3 oval ball codes as well as Ice hockey. Nice try lol

you're not seriously defending two players senselessly running into each other?

Thats the most hilarious part of RL, mindless collisions again and again. Like watching a pole being driven into the ground. So predictable, so boring.

What ever happened to evasion? Passing the ball? Something different?

Have you seen players like Matt Moylan and Greg Inglis how they evade taclers to get tries?

Mean while in AFL you guys are so stupid you don't get penalised for not being able to catch and or dropping the ball constantly. Yep a game of skill lol
Then you get a point for not kicking straight and have no crossbar to make it even easier to score

No wonder no other country has ever taken up AFL seriously lol. =D> =D>

And guess what, no other country ever will :_<> :_<>

Man have you ever watched the NBA? Guys bump into each other all the time.

AFL soft soft soft

Yep and that's why only 7k bothered to turn up in Sydney on Friday night!!!! Because it is sooooo entertaining! Hahaha seriously dude give up running with a ball under you arm in a straight line is not hard - try bouncing a ball, marking over head, hand passing, kicking on the run over 50 meters(that's half the distance of a RL field) there is no comparison as for the scoring that's what makes the game different - it's not exactly hard to touch a ball on the ground when you have 68 meters to do it in! Even then RL players regularly drop the ball then have a scrum (which is not a scrum like RU where you CAN lose the scrum!). It's a joke!

Looked like less than half that at the last gws match in Western Sydney on the weekend lol

But I am sure AFL will inflate the numbers to give that AFL basket case some dignity

I agree scrums in Rugby League are pointless and they probably will go.

Saying that, getting a point for missed shots at goal and having no crossbar anywhere really takes the skill level in AFL goals to pretty much zero skill.

Then you have the constant drop balls, wrestling on the ground to get the ball. Everyone falling over lol.. No strict rules for a foot being out. =D> =D> =D>

AFL has fuck all chance of any serious international following due to the poor scoring skills. Is just a fact man.
Apparently AFL has been trying for years in the UK with no real success and AFL has been around in New Zealand as long as Rugby League and still nothing decent there lol

Now if AFL was such a skilled and respected game, why does it have next to no luck with strong overseas support??

Have you even played the game??
Seems to me you don't understand something so you attack it!!
Whether it's followed or played overseas is hardly the point - Australia's geographic location and isolation account for this - but by the same token why has NZ win the International cup??? Why has PNG why has Ireland, why does USA and Canada compete every year????? It's because although it has taken a long time it is starting to gain niche support.
But again why is this important to you do you need some validation from this fact????
Try the game before you bag it and if you like something it shouldn't matter who else likes it - that's part of having an adult perspective!

It is the point because if a sport is seen as skilled and respected, it gains more support globally. Which is not the case for AFL.
Those are tiny niche teams in those countries you mention. Rugby League has teams in all those nations too. If the AFL international cup had any real quality about it. It would be televised.
No TV network wants to show the AFL international cup the standard must be that amateur.

Rugby Leagues world cup is Televised and has people that want to watch it.

I know I would have no trouble scoring in AFL. Conversion kicks and field goals were my specialty when I played Rugby League. And AFL goals have no crossbar.
Plus I could catch bombs really well being a fullback. Distant running I admit I would struggle with in AFL as I am built more like a sprinter.
Plus most league players would hit a player if they constantly tugged on their shirt and man handled them like they do in AFL. Such dirty dumb play.

You look at how much they drop the ball in AFL and how many goals would miss if there was a crossbar or no extra side goals.
You can try all the convincing you want, most people outside of AFL circles will always see the sport as unskilled.

So someone who has never played the game is so convinced that AF is inferior to RL - you think you would be good at marking the ball but you don't know do you - you don't have the luxury of knowing where your opponent is and you can't protect yourself, you think you would be able to kick the ball well but you don't know do you, you have never had to kick on the run (in RL this is a rearity), you haven't had to take shots from tight angles with opposition in front to the side and behind bearing down on you, As for dropping the ball - well RL players do this all the time don't they, but an AFL player is expected to hand pass, bounce the ball, hit the ball to advantage, mark the ball - yet you focus on one area and say see that justifys that! Lastly again RL has had the advantage of RU being very similar and hence easy to adapt OS in addition the advantage of it being invented in England which is closer to Europe - having said that why was so many players born in breed in Australia playing for other countries in the last RLWC - the tenuous links they had to some countries was laughable some players had played for Australia and never been to the country they played for (not to mention some actually played RU)- doesn't this make the notion of a true international presence contrived and really misleading??? Your arguments are really based around the fact coming from England you look down on anything not English and therefore inferior - how about you actually play the game before you pass judgement!

Haha shows how little you know about me. How do I look down on anything that is not English when I follow the NFL as well as Ice Hockey and Baseball???
I find Cricket boring as and that is English.

A mark is nothing, what catching a high kick??? Do you seriously think I never caught high bombs playing Rugby League as fullback??

AFL a game so talentless that they actually reward someone for being able to catch a high kick lol =D> =D>

Then they give them a free kick at goal with no pressure of being tackled and still get a point if they miss a shot at goal

Yep sounds so very talented.

[Xman]

catching a high ball on your own is nothing compared to catching a ball against a few defenders who are standing right next to you and are trying to stop you

[The axe]

The scoring system in rugby league consists of fat guys falling down once they reach a white line, that's it all you have to do is be able to fall over while holding a ball and they still can't do that at times. Then another bloke who had nothing to do with the falling over part gets to have a kick at goal for half the points total. To go forward you have to go backwards and to score you just fall down, and it's most ardent fans can't get off the couch to go to a game. I'm starting to understand the pathetic crowds now.

[AFLsforPussies]

catching a high ball on your own is nothing compared to catching a ball against a few defenders who are standing right next to you and are trying to stop you

Wrong Xman, I got hit plenty of times when catching kicks. I can tell you it really hurts being hit by someone running full speed at you that weighs more than you.

[Xman]

catching a high ball on your own is nothing compared to catching a ball against a few defenders who are standing right next to you and are trying to stop you

Wrong Xman, I got hit plenty of times when catching kicks. I can tell you it really hurts being hit by someone running full speed at you that weighs more than you.

its not just about being hit, its about catching the ball against an opponent who is standing right next to you and also has an equal chance of catching the same ball, or at worst just punching it away. You cant compare that to RL players standing under a high ball with players running at them. They may risk physical pain, but their skill in beating their opponent isnt challenged

[AFLsforPussies]

You still have opponents jumping up at the same time to catch high bombs in goal in Rugby League. Nothing new.

[Xman]

You still have opponents jumping up at the same time to catch high bombs in goal in Rugby League. Nothing new.

nothing in the same way because they come from different sides of the contest.