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[pussycat]

Non profity organisation, private and public business, budgets all have a bottom line. And that bottom line(profit/surplus) is arrived at by subtracting what comes in from what gos out.

Sports organisations like the AFL and NRL are a different kettle of fish. Its why theres something called the Operating Surplus/Profit. Essentially its all the money left before distributions - most of which are done only because the organisation in question has the remaining funds to do so. The AFL commits more money to clubs, because it has more money to do so. See spending in other areas.

The NRL opts not to spend it and instead banks 20 million to the AFLs 16 - the NRL is building its nest egg, while the AFL already has one.

And what was the operating profit/surplus for the past 2 years ?

distributions , commitments , spending, are all just operating costs/expenses .

The AFL has more money. But the AFL doesn't make more money, at least not in the last two years!

[pussycat]

Fuck it why should I talk to someone about finance who clearly doesnt understand how they work. The important stat is the operating surplus - the rest of it is money the competitions spend because they have the money to do so. The AFL could spend fuck all on stuff too like the NRL does, but it instead chooses to. One had no money in the bank two years ago and is desperately saving for a future fund. The AFL already has one.

Seriously this isnt fucking rocket science.

It's pretty straight forward alright - more! Regardless of how you want to refer to it . What the fuck has 'already had one' or what you've done in the past got to do with anything?

Understand? I understand that the NRL made a larger profit this year and last year than the AFL. (as reported).So cut out the but but excuses.

Its Like the 800k Southeners that will be watching Rugby League next Wednesday but but but event they dont give a shit :<>

[leagueiscrap]

Fuck it why should I talk to someone about finance who clearly doesnt understand how they work. The important stat is the operating surplus - the rest of it is money the competitions spend because they have the money to do so. The AFL could spend fuck all on stuff too like the NRL does, but it instead chooses to. One had no money in the bank two years ago and is desperately saving for a future fund. The AFL already has one.

Seriously this isnt fucking rocket science.

It's pretty straight forward alright - more! Regardless of how you want to refer to it . What the fuck has 'already had one' or what you've done in the past got to do with anything?

Understand? I understand that the NRL made a larger profit this year and last year than the AFL. (as reported).So cut out the but but excuses.

Its Like the 800k Southeners that will be watching Rugby League next Wednesday but but but event they dont give a shit :<>

And the flow in effect is working wonders for the nrlol and minnowbourne storm in Victoria

How many Victorian born players have played in the nrlol?

Melbourne Storm are battling it out with the Rebels as the most irrelevant football team in Victoria

[pussycat]

Melbourne avg up 13% in the Friday night live time slot and 17% in the delayed time slot. But nobody in Victoria cares about rugby League:_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

[Xman]

Melbourne avg up 13% in the Friday night live time slot and 17% in the delayed time slot. But nobody in Victoria cares about rugby League:_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

13% of nearly nothing is hardly worth bragging about

[Xman]

Fuck it why should I talk to someone about finance who clearly doesnt understand how they work. The important stat is the operating surplus - the rest of it is money the competitions spend because they have the money to do so. The AFL could spend fuck all on stuff too like the NRL does, but it instead chooses to. One had no money in the bank two years ago and is desperately saving for a future fund. The AFL already has one.

Seriously this isnt fucking rocket science.

It's pretty straight forward alright - more! Regardless of how you want to refer to it . What the fuck has 'already had one' or what you've done in the past got to do with anything?

Understand? I understand that the NRL made a larger profit this year and last year than the AFL. (as reported).So cut out the but but excuses.

Its Like the 800k Southeners that will be watching Rugby League next Wednesday but but but event they dont give a shit :<>

so youre going with the 'code that earns less and cant spend up on what they want but is better off' BS? :_<>

[Swans4ever]

Fuck it why should I talk to someone about finance who clearly doesnt understand how they work. The important stat is the operating surplus - the rest of it is money the competitions spend because they have the money to do so. The AFL could spend fuck all on stuff too like the NRL does, but it instead chooses to. One had no money in the bank two years ago and is desperately saving for a future fund. The AFL already has one.

Seriously this isnt fucking rocket science.

It's pretty straight forward alright - more! Regardless of how you want to refer to it . What the fuck has 'already had one' or what you've done in the past got to do with anything?

Understand? I understand that the NRL made a larger profit this year and last year than the AFL. (as reported).So cut out the but but excuses.

Its Like the 800k Southeners that will be watching Rugby League next Wednesday but but but event they dont give a shit :<>

Hahaha lol you have no idea, the AFL already had a futures fund - give greater distributions to clubs, spend more on grass roots and development. You can have all the satisfaction you like with 50 mil (only 20 mil in reality) but if it's sitting in a bank account to catch up with what the AFL already had then you are years behind - if your not now spending in growing the game and grass roots then you will have too in the future, after all It is not paying dividends to shareholders its investing in the future of the sport. At the end of the day it's what they spend on the sport that really matters not what they can bank - AFL streets ahead!

[pussycat]

Profit & Loss ($ mill)
Revenue 458.157
Operating Expenses 142.447
Operating Surplus 315.710




Payments to Clubs 215.937
Payments to AFLPA 22.680
Game Development Grants 38.904
Ground Improvements 6.389
AFL Foundation - 0.842
Facilities Development 7.306
Strategic Partnership 1.228
New Markets 9.887

Net Profit/(Loss) before
Transfers (to)/from Reserves 12.537

AFL CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL RESULTS
The AFL recorded a net surplus of $12.5 million for the 2014 financial year. This result, while down on last year, was ahead of the budget that was set at the start of the year. Most revenue streams, except the finals series, were up on last year. As well, there were a number of new expenditure initiatives budgeted during the year, particularly in the areas of Marketing and Human Resources. These factors combined with increased distributions to clubs and stadia, contributed to the overall result being down on last year.
Finally, the consolidated result, which includes all the AFL’s controlled state subsidiaries, was a net surplus of $13.3 million. All states produced an operating surplus, which was a pleasing result.

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Year ended 31st October 2014

Revenue
Broadcast 225,818
Other income 125,084
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350,902

Expenses
Operating, marketing and media (90,069)
Marketing & Media (41,120)
Administration (19,892)
Community & Welfare (11,022)
Club Grant (113,600)
Other club assistance (25,822)
States & Affiliates (22,941)
Depreciation & Ammorisation (2,199)
Interest Expenses (0.95)
Gain on acquisition 373
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(330,670)

Surplus 20,232
income tax -
Net Surplus 20,232
Other income for the period -
Total comprehensive income for the period attributable to the ARLC Limited 20,232



Stop preaching from the annual reports and try reading the bloody things!

[pussycat]

My understanding is, when you deduct these operating costs -

Payments to Clubs 215.937
Payments to AFLPA 22.680
Game Development Grants 38.904
Ground Improvements 6.389
AFL Foundation - 0.842
Facilities Development 7.306
Strategic Partnership 1.228
New Markets 9.887

The AFL operating profit/surplus of 315,710

You have a net profit/surplus (ie. you made) 12.537m. which is lower than the figure for NRL's net profit/surplus for the year 2014 (2013 similar). meaning you made less money in these years.

By all means, correct me if im wrong.

[Xman]

My understanding is, when you deduct these operating costs -

Payments to Clubs 215.937
Payments to AFLPA 22.680
Game Development Grants 38.904
Ground Improvements 6.389
AFL Foundation - 0.842
Facilities Development 7.306
Strategic Partnership 1.228
New Markets 9.887

The AFL operating profit/surplus of 315,710

You have a net profit/surplus (ie. you made) 12.537m. which is lower than the figure for NRL's net profit/surplus for the year 2014 (2013 similar). meaning you made less money in these years.

By all means, correct me if im wrong.

both codes are non-for profit so the aim isnt to make a profit, it's to remain viable. The NRL currently choose to spend little to enhance their code so they can save a futures fund. The AFL have already saved a futures fund so they are using their ample revenue to expand and strengthen their code.

Why is this so hard for you to fathom???

[pussycat]

fuck it. You can stay wrong. Its like talking to a brick wall.

Well this brick wall is talking back. You said the operating profit was the main factor - bullshit of course, but I'le play along. You operating profit for 2014 was 315,710. And after you pay your players (something you need to do) you have about 100m or less than the NRL do, after they pay there players.

So what is it that your trying to get through to me? just the usual But But remarks and stories about what the AFL's done in the past.


Ps. the NRL may have had no money in the bank two years ago but they got almost 100m today!

Just 7 more sleeps to Origin! Wow

[Swans4ever]

fuck it. You can stay wrong. Its like talking to a brick wall.

Well this brick wall is talking back. You said the operating profit was the main factor - bullshit of course, but I'le play along. You operating profit for 2014 was 315,710. And after you pay your players (something you need to do) you have about 100m or less than the NRL do, after they pay there players.

So what is it that your trying to get through to me? just the usual But But remarks and stories about what the AFL's done in the past.


Ps. the NRL may have had no money in the bank two years ago but they got almost 100m today!

Just 7 more sleeps to Origin! Wow

Fuck sake you are one thick dude - repeating the same assertion doesn't make you right - answer these simple questions
Did the NRL have futures fund prior to 2014 if so how much
Did the AFL have a futures fund before 2014 if so how much
How much does RL distribute to clubs
How much does the AFL distribute to clubs
Does the AFL spend more than the NRL on grass roots, stadium development, game development and expansion than the NRL
Lastly are both codes non profit??

If you can't answer these questions then we can safely assume you are wrong because you don't want to face the fact your simply and plainly wrong!

[pussycat]

Its an Annual Report - ie the 2014 year. What the the fark, does all these but but excuses about developing players and tales about what they' done in past years have to do with there 2014 profit! You keep going on about your operating costs in the believe that its going to helps with your point in someway - it doesnt. As pointed out above once payment is made to your players (you have almost twice as many) you are left with less money than the NRL. So thats another flaw in your argument.


If I said the NRL had nearly 100m in the bank and they only have 66m in the bank , how does that strengthen your argument???????????????

(pretend) soldier boy is making nearly as much sense as you are Wookie.

[pussycat]

What absolutely does?

And whats the shit your accusing me of making up?

[pussycat]

I have said nothing in this thread regarding sponsorship and Im pretty sure I have not mentioned cash reserves either. this thread is about, or has developed into an argument about which organisation made the most money last year!

However, considering you brought it up, I am curious to how ticketing + ? in the 'Major Events" category of the NRL's non broadcast revenue could possibly add up to $55k especially after you said last years Origin series didn't make $20m from gate takings like the article quoted.