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AFL TV Rights Set to be Huge

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:03 am
by Beaussie
Just goes to further demonstrate the worth of the AFL TV rights to the TV networks. Does anyone doubt the AFL will get more money than the NRL recently did? Bear in mind the NRL has only now caught up to the level of dollars negotiated for the AFL TV rights in 2001.

An expected $700 million windfall for the AFL. Bring on the new teams on the Gold Coast and in Western Sydney. :thumbleft:

It seems the NRL is destined to play second fiddle to the AFL in Australia.
The Australian wrote:
AFL sets pace for TV rights
John Lehmann and Simon Canning
October 06, 2005
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 82,00.html

THE Australian Football League is set for a windfall in the wake of the Sydney Swans' dramatic grand final victory as the free-to-air networks begin a bidding war that could drive the broadcast rights to more than $700 million.

Experts predict the negotiations for AFL rights in the next three months could have a big flow-on effect for other sports as the networks scramble to secure rights.

V8 promoter AVESCO has opened negotiations for its next five-year contract with the Seven Network expected to make a bold push to recapture the sport it owned in the 1970s and '80s.

The NRL set the pace in July, signing a contract with the Nine Network and Fox Sports reportedly worth $100 million a year from 2007 to 2012. The AFL aims to have negotiations wrapped up before Christmas, and AVESCO executives have just ended exclusive negotiations with the Ten Network and are now waiting to see what the Seven Network is willing to offer for the fast growing sport.

"We know they have shown an interest," a spokesman for AVESCO told Media. "We are the form sport at the moment."

Although AVESCO has no illusions it will match the figure being courted by the AFL, recent surges in interest in the sport guarantee Seven and Ten will have to bid high to win.

Informed sources suggest AVESCO could command $20 million to $30million for the rights, with audiences for Bathurst topping 2.2 million and regular Sunday races regularly attracting more then 600,000 viewers.

AVESCO chairman Tony Cochrane said: "We are one of the top four sports in the country and there has been tremendous interest in our free-to-air rights."

But for the moment all eyes are on the AFL.

An industry source told Media the AFL was seeking a total of $700 million in the forthcoming round of negotiations to decide free and pay-TV rights and broadband rights for five years beginning in 2007. The last deal, completed in January 2001, reaped $500million for the free-to-air and pay-TV rights, the AFL awarding them to a News Limited-led consortium that included Kerry Packer's Nine Network and CanWest's Network Ten.

The deal ended Australian football's 46-year association with Seven and left Kerry Stokes's fledgling C7 pay sports channels without critical content.

C7 also missed out on the NRL rights in 2000 - this time to Fox Sports, which is jointly owned by News Limited and the Packer family's Publishing & Broadcasting Ltd - and folded within 18 months.

Seven is now in court suing most of the rest of Australia's TV industry, the NRL and the AFL, for $1.1 billion, alleging that C7 was the victim of a conspiracy to "kill" it off.

It is within these messy circumstances that Seven is now fighting hard to win back the AFL rights and give the resurgent network the arsenal to finally knock Nine off its "No.1" perch. A TV executive, who declined to be named, told Media that Seven - which is teaming up with Ten in its bid - is "desperate to win back the rights".

Another executive pointed out that the AFL rights would almost certainly help Seven pull back from Nine at least one per cent of the audience - Seven is tracking about 27 per cent this year, with Nine about 29 per cent.

With each percentage point worth between $25 million and $30 million in advertising a year combined with the extra leverage which comes with being No.1, it's easy to see how critical the AFL rights battle is for the duelling networks.

Seven will get first crack at snapping up the rights, under a first-and-last provision.

TV executives are expecting the AFL to send a written offer to Seven during the next fortnight. It will be well above the $46 million paid for the free-to-air rights in 2000.

The AFL maintains Seven's legal battle being waged against it in the Federal Court will have no bearing on the bidding contest.

But even the judge hearing the case, Justice Ronald Sackville, has raised an eyebrow at how relations between Seven and the AFL can remain cordial.

He said last week there was a "a certain bizarre flavour" about this. "You are suing these people," he told Seven's barrister, John Sheahan, "and here am I - I have documents about your joint bid for rights."

The AFL's barrister, Tom Bathurst, is considering using details of Seven's bid for the 2007 rights to help the AFL's defence at the trial.

If Nine manages to hang on to the AFL rights, it will be walking a scheduling tightrope, with it already committed to screening two NRL games on Friday nights in NSW and Queensland next year.

The NRL competition and finals are one of Nine's most profitable programs, with the network booking an estimated profit of $14 million from its coverage this year.

Nine now pays $13 million a year for the NRL free-to-air TV rights but under its new contract that will climb to $20 million in 2006 and 2007, then jump to $40 million a year for five years.

As Ten is aligning itself with Seven in the new bid, Nine could face the challenge of screening the rest of the free-to-air AFL games itself over the rest of the weekend, unless it can strike up a share arrangement with another broadcaster such as SBS.

Foxtel will also be pushing hard to screen more live games in any new deal with the AFL and receive a better share of quality games.

At the moment, it screens the three least popular games live and the rest on delay and pays $30 million.

Observers have little doubt, though, that the outcome of the AFL bidding war will have a domino effect on other sporting rights. Barry O'Brien, CEO of Total Advertising and Communications, confirmed Stokes' eyes are not just on the AFL rights, but the V8 Supercar series which the Ten Network has turned into a solid performer in the 18-39 demographic.

Cochrane says the timing of final negotiations for the AFL could be critical to the price AVESCO is able to extract. "Once the AFL rights are gone, there will be a lot of interest in us as we are a truly national sport," he says.

"Sport is all important to the free-to-air networks," Australia's most powerful media buyer Harold Mitchell says. "If you look at the top 20 TV shows in any market in the world, they are dominated by sport. Seven [are] trying to get their revenue share up there with their audience share. Nine are trying to protect their share and Ten are trying to fly in under the radar. And sport [rights] are one of the most important elements of it."

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:19 pm
by Willis 21
This is dangerous for the commercial networks.

Channel 10 is already losing millions and giving away their advertising for free now on Saturday nights in Sydney when the Swans are getting hammered by the Iron Chef on SBS.

The Fox Footy channel is an out and out disaster when it was discovered that no one would pay any extra to watch it.

Luckily Fox has been saved by the Super Saturday NRL coverage which proves to be by far the most watched program that they show.

My advice is to sell your Channel 10 shares before this deal goes through...they have been bankrupt before!!

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:50 pm
by Beaussie
Willis 21 wrote:
This is dangerous for the commercial networks.

Channel 10 is already losing millions and giving away their advertising for free now on Saturday nights in Sydney when the Swans are getting hammered by the Iron Chef on SBS.
What crap. Channel 10 is widely regarded as the most profitable TV network in Australia with its younger targetted demographic. AFL coverage adds enormous value to this. And why do you leaguies always trot out the Iron Chef line whilst neglecting to mention that it is only ever during the half time talk during the AFL. Even I channel surf during the long break. Who wants to listen to the likes of Robert Walls etc crapping on about the ugly style of play employed by the Swans. :roll:
Willis 21 wrote:
The Fox Footy channel is an out and out disaster when it was discovered that no one would pay any extra to watch it.
I'm yet to see any links that suggest what you're saying is indeed the case. Seems to be a popular line with the leaguies though. Wonder why? Perhaps jealousy that rugby league does not warrant its very own 24hr channel like the AFL? In any case, the Fox Footy Channel is now available to all subscribers with no cost with has boosted its coverage particularly in NSW and QLD.
Willis 21 wrote:
Luckily Fox has been saved by the Super Saturday NRL coverage which proves to be by far the most watched program that they show.
Yeah I'm sure it is must see television in most parts of the country. :roll:
Willis 21 wrote:
My advice is to sell your Channel 10 shares before this deal goes through...they have been bankrupt before!!
You've got to be kidding. Read the financial pages of the daily presses and you'll see Channel 10 is widely regarded as the most profitable TV network, particularly its younger targetted audience which advertisers crave for. Look at the amount of sponsors Channel 10's AFL coverage warrants nationwide. Much more than your average NRL telecast. That is a fact.

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:59 pm
by King-Eliagh
This whole thread is a load of crap. =P~

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:11 pm
by Beaussie
Willis 21 wrote:
This is dangerous for the commercial networks.

Channel 10 is already losing millions and giving away their advertising for free now on Saturday nights in Sydney when the Swans are getting hammered by the Iron Chef on SBS.

My advice is to sell your Channel 10 shares before this deal goes through...they have been bankrupt before!!
Just for you Willis:
Sydney Morning Herald wrote:
Ten profits expected to be a reality
October 9, 2005 - 10:59AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/Ten ... 95086.html

Reality shows will be behind the bumper profit Ten Network Holdings Ltd is expected to report next week but there are concerns the genre's popularity could be on the wane.

Ten has scored ratings successes in calendar 2005 with Big Brother, Australian Idol and more recently with its coverage of the 2005 AFL grand final.

It remains the leader in its key 16-37 age demographic with a 36.7 per cent share for the year to date, 4.5 share points ahead of Nine and 5.6 points clear of Seven.
Seems to go against what you're suggesting Willis. I'd say Channel 10 is on a real winner with its AFL coverage. :wink:

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:33 pm
by Willis 21
The Swans average around 130,000 on a Saturday night on Channel 10.

This almost always sees them in 4th place, behind Channels 2,9 and 7 Sometimes they drop to 5th place up against a good quality episode of the iron chef.

The Saturday night Super Saturday NRL is the highest rating program on Foxtel.

The Fox Footy Channel changed to being free when no one would pay the extra money to watch it.

These are the facts my friend....

Channel 10 won't be saved just because the AFL GF gets good ratings once every 10 years when the Swans make the GF... :P

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:10 pm
by Beaussie
The Swans average audience is about the normal audience Channel 10 used to get on a Saturday night without the AFL. The positive sign however is the ratings on Saturday nights and more recently Friday nights have increased significantly with the Swans success. This can only be a positive with the AFL TV rights being re-negotiated. Expect more AFL coverage during prime time in Sydney and Brisbane as a result of the next TV rights deal.

Oh and there is also no doubt that the average audience for the AFL in Sydney is much more than the Saturday NRL audience on Foxtel. You can't deny that. The fact of the matter is, there is only a tiny proportion of the population that actually has access or is willing to pay for cable TV. A sad reality for rugby league administrators who sold their game off to Pay TV.

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:34 pm
by Willis 21
It seems that the pressure I have been putting on the Channel 10 management by lobbying their shareholders over this ridiculous amount of money being offered for the AFL rights is starting to pay off...
Nine set to retain AFL TV rights
Friday, October 14, 2005

The Nine Network looks likely to retain the AFL TV Rights for the period 2007-2011 after media speculation suggested that the Seven Network is set to reject the AFL's initial $700 million offer.

"From what we are hearing, the Seven & Ten consortium is shocked by the AFL's first bid offer of upward of $700 million and are in no financial position to accept this bid, leaving the door open for Nine to enter negotiations, match the AFL's $700 million bid and win the rights practically uncontested. Even with Seven having the final bid rights, if they reject it on the first bid there is little or no chance they will match it on the last bid as which happened last time," Mark Thomas, Media Analyst from ABN Amro said today. "Seven and Ten have 14 days to find an extra $200 million basically."

Nine has all but sealed a deal with multicultural broadcaster SBS to fill the coverage holes in NSW & Queensland where Nine's NRL commitments will clash with AFL broadcasts.

Under the rumoured Nine, Foxtel and SBS deal. SBS will show the marquee Friday night football live into NSW & Queensland something that the Seven consortium could not guarantee.

Nine has also backed down on its initial proposal of a 4-4 split with pay-tv operator Foxtel reverting back to the current 5 games on free-to-air and 3 on pay-tv for Victorian viewers.

Seven have until October 26 to accept the AFL's $700 million first bid offer.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205095

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:07 pm
by Beaussie
Actually I'm warming more and more to the Channel 9/Foxtel/SBS bid. Live Friday night footy in NSW and QLD on a Friday night. Yes please. =D>

Channel 9 expressing an interest demonstrates that the rights will go for around $700 million. Remember, Channel 7/10 still have the last rights of refusal and Channel 7 in particular is desperate to get a slice of the footy action having lost ratings to Channel 9/10. Also Willis I was reading somewhere that Channel 10 makes a healthy profit off its AFL coverage.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:36 pm
by Willis 21
Good to see AFL banished to the Pay TV wilderness in the Northern States on Friday nights...( although why won't the gutless yobbos take on the live NRL coverage?? LOL... if you guys think things were bad when you were up against the iron chef...)

Kerry Packer's legacy will be to bankrupt 10 and really make life difficult for Seven...

Channel 9 and Eddie will probably be able to pick up the rights for half the price next time with no competition!

Meanwhile the NRL rights and TV time slots are secured into Sydney and Brisbane for the next 6 years.. who knows, maybe Channel 9 Melbourne will have a lot of programming hours to fill come 2007??

Laugh... I almost died!!! :lol: :lol:

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:44 pm
by Beaussie
You honestly think the NRL will be shown anytime before midnight in Melbourne?

The AFL have a better FTA TV deal when compared with the NRL, there is no doubt about that. Saturday night live AFL begins this year in Sydney and Brisbane even when the Swans/Lions aren't playing. Better coverage is being achieved. What increased coverage have the NRL achieved outside of NSW/QLD?

Oh and why do you leaguies continue with the myth of the Iron Chef outrating the AFL in Sydney? :roll:

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:47 pm
by Willis 21
Honestly, I will be prepared to bet you now that a Non Swans game broadcast live into Sydney on a Saturday night will come last in the ratings for the whole game.

There will be less than 50,000 people watching...

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:50 pm
by Beaussie
Hasn't been the case in Brisbane, don't see why Sydney will be any different, particularly with an increase in popularity for the AFL now that the Swans have won a premiership.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:56 pm
by Willis 21
Increase in popularity :lol:

Rugby league keeps increasing in popularity in Sydney as well you know, regardless of who wins the premiership each year...

I hope for your sake the AFL can keep manipulating the competition each year ( salary caps, drafts etc) to keep giving the Swans that leg up to make it to easier for them to get into the GF.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:07 pm
by Beaussie
Willis 21 wrote:
Increase in popularity :lol:
Yes that's right:
Swans at soar point
11 February 2006 Herald Sun
Tim Morrissey and Nikki Tugwell
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/foo...E19742,00.html


Membership climbs on back of fairytale flag

SYDNEY is cashing in on its Cinderella premiership, with the Swans' red and white army expected to swell to record numbers this season.

Membership for 2006 has already surpassed last year's total of 25,000, with the club on target to reach 35,000 members, making them one of the hottest sporting tickets in town.


Sydney is anticipating a sellout crowd of 43,000 at the SCG for its opening home-game of the year against Port Adelaide in Round 2 on April 9.

The club will stage a similar celebration for its Melbourne membership promoting its theme of "two cities, one team" when Sydney plays Carlton in Round 3 at Telstra Dome.

Swans chief executive Myles Baron-Hay is confident the club will also sell out its corporate suites and boxes for the entire season "for the first time in a very long time", and increase sponsorship revenue by 20 per cent.

Sydney's guernsey is already worth close to $3 million and the famous red and white jumper the most valued in the AFL before Collingwood's strip.

"This year is going to be huge," Baron-Hay said.

The club's all-time high membership of 31,175 was set in 1998 on the momentum of making it to the 1996 Grand Final after Tony "Plugger" Lockett's famous point after the siren at the SCG in the preliminary final to beat Essendon.

Lack of continuing success saw membership fall, but the team's performances under Paul Roos, culminating in the stunning 2005 Grand Final win over West Coast, turned it around.

"Our membership is the backbone of the footy club," Baron-Hay said.
"The revenue (from membership) is very sticky but obviously you want to grow it every year. I think the premiership has given us a real opportunity to do that."

The club is expecting membership to swell to 40,000-plus in the next couple of years.
Do any NRL clubs have more than 700 odd members. I remember when Wests merged with Balmain to create the Wests Tigers, only 600 members decided the fate of both clubs. :_<>
Willis 21 wrote:
Rugby league keeps increasing in popularity in Sydney as well you know, regardless of who wins the premiership each year...
Yeah, what was that increase in average H&A crowds for the NRL. Was it and increase of a few hundred to 16,000 odd. :(/