Rank the Codes in NSW

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Taking into account all relevant factors such as crowds, membership, sponsorship, tv ratings, media coverage, participation etc, etc, how would you rate and rank the codes in terms of popularity in NSW.

For me, I think the AFL has done a magnificent job in a relatively short time to get Australian Football into 2nd rank behind the dominate Rugby League. This I say is hard to deny when you look at the huge gap in crowds, memberships numbers, sponsorship dollars, tv ratings, media etc compared to Soccer and Rugby Union. You gotta feel for Rugby Union. I would have once said they were ranked 2nd. Sadly the reality for that code today is a 4th ranking behind Soccer. How times change eh?

Anyway, thought it would be interesting to see your rankings and justifications. Here is mine:

1st. NRL - Rugby League
2nd. AFL - Australian Football
3rd. FFA - Soccer
4th. ARU - Rugby Union




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I still stand by my rankings above. :D:

Soccer... other than its impressive junior numbers that are huge nationwide, is of very little interest to most Sydneysiders. Just look at the A-League crowds, sponsorship, membership numbers and abysmal tv ratings in Sydney for the facts. As for Rugby Union and it’s ranking in NSW, don’t take my word for it, check out what the former CEO of Rugby Australia says.
John O'Neill had good reason to be upset by the Wallabies capitulation to the All Blacks in last weekend's Bledisloe Cup opener.

He ran rugby in Australia during its golden age in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the Wallabies regularly beat their fiercest foes, and won their second World Cup. Under his stewardship, the game was in rude financial health.

But as his favoured code has wilted, O'Neill has flirted with other ways to get his football fix. "I occasionally go to a Swans game, and I see all these rugby union people there," O'Neill says. "They are all former Waratahs supporters. The Swans are now their team."

"There was an exercise we used to do internally, a market share index, based on TV ratings, crowds, attendances, revenue," O'Neill says of his time in charge.

"It was remarkable. Rugby, not having been a professional sport for that long, it only started in 1996, but it was level pegging with rugby league and only behind AFL," he says. "Now we are a distant fourth. We are a very distant fourth behind the AFL, NRL and A-League."

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4zyjm.html
The code wars

Australia's winter sport "code wars" are usually framed as a conflict between the two giants of the national sporting landscape: Aussie Rules football and rugby league (and their respective governing bodies, the AFL and NRL). Flush with billions of dollars in broadcast revenue, they have spent the better part of the past three decades trying to expand into each other's turf.

But one intriguing subplot in the war for football supremacy that is less discussed is the battle between Australian rules and rugby union that is playing out in parts of Sydney.

O'Neill isn't the only rugby fan to dabble in AFL lately. There is a growing body of anecdotal evidence, and some hard data, to suggest there has been a migration of rugby fans to the Indigenous game.

"I have a lot of mates who were rugby people growing up in Sydney" says Henry Playfair, a former AFL forward who won a premiership with Geelong and also played for the Sydney Swans."Now they are obsessed with AFL."

Playfair is now an assistant coach with St Kilda in Melbourne. He attended Shore School, a member of Sydney's elite GPS association and a former rugby powerhouse. The school has about 1600 students. "When I was there we had maybe four or five kids in the whole school, that I knew of, who were playing AFL. One of them was Lewis Roberts-Thomson," he says. (Roberts-Thompson, a close friend of Playfair's, was an AFL star at the Swans.)

"If you fast forward to now, they run a full on program with about 75 to 80 kids who actually play the game. That is a big jump in 15 years."

Four of Sydney's GPS schools (Shore, Newington, St Josephs and Riverview) and all six of the CAS schools (Knox, St Aloysius, Barker, Trinity, Waverley, Cranbrook) now have active AFL programs.

"It is becoming a mainstream winter sport in many of these schools," says AFL NSW chief executive Sam Graham.

It's the result of a long and concerted effort by the AFL, which has methodically exploited rugby's weaknesses to entrench itself in the Harbour City.

This effort included "going through the pain of dealing with schools like Shore and Barker," recalls Gabrielle Trainor, a respected Sydney media operative and AFL board director. "The Old Boys were outraged at the prospect of AFL being played at those schools, but ultimately it became demand driven."

Says O'Neill: "I was amazed at how well the Swans would market the game to the headmasters of all the leading GPS, CAS and ISA schools. You'd go to the Swans game and in the Chairman's box they were all there."

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The Swans average attendances long ago surpassed those of the Waratahs.CREDIT:AAP

It isn't just private schools where AFL has trod on rugby's toes. The parts of Sydney where the AFL is the strongest (and still growing) happen to be areas that historically were rugby union strongholds. Between 2012 and 2017, participation in Aussie Rules has grown by 66 per cent in the eastern suburbs, and 46 per cent in the north shore, according to AFL NSW data obtained by the Herald.

The biggest junior Aussie Rules clubs in the city - the East Sydney Bombers, the Willoughby Wildcats and the Manly Bombers - are in those parts of town as well.

Yet, while the AFL has undeniably made inroads into rugby's turf at a grassroots level, it's in the professional realm where it is has really pulled away.

The Swans average attendances, TV ratings and memberships long ago surpassed those of the Waratahs and now completely dwarf them. And the eastern suburbs and north shore (as well as the Hills district and Sutherland shire) are among the strongest areas for Swans members and fans, according to membership data viewed by the Herald.


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"One in every 24 Australians is now a member of an AFL club, a sign that the national reach of Australian football has never been greater," League CEO Gillon McLachlan said.

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1. League
2. Soccer
3. Union
4. AFL - but not much separates 3 and 4 these days. Overall.


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Well who woulda known..... Wookie is right on the money and the site owner has his fumbleball goggles on!!!! What a surprise. The fumblers are the greatest self promoters of all time. They lie, obfuscate, contort and distort every figure, every stat and every connotation to confirm their bias. I can however categorically state from the front line that the order is:
1 Rugby League
2 Rugby Union
3 Soccer
4 Fumbleball

The fumblers have pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into NSW and have made some inroads in brand recognition but alas they only attract the more timid, unskilled, nonathletic kids to play their fumbling, bumbling, stumbling, rabble of a game. I mean why would an athletic kid in NSW play this rubbish??? The only reason is because they can't cut it in the Rugby codes like Kevin Jack and that little blonde kid from Newcastle whatever his name is. I think it's great that the fumblers give these 2nd and 3rd rate athletes in NSW a chance at a so called professional sport. All power to the fumblers for giving the less gifted a chance!!!!



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What a stupid post Terry. Fair dinkum. :roll:

Keep living in your world of delusion sunshine. Meanwhile the stats that matter:
STATE OF GROWTH

— Sydney Swans membership up 15.7%
— GWS Giants membership up 13.6%
— 2016 NSW/ACT AFL players: 237,549 up (10.4%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT Auskick players: 61,037 (up 18.24%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT AFL 9s players: 7347 (up 12.2%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT female players: 85,919 (up 23%)

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237k players in NSWv
& you believe that .
Oh my


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AFLcrap1 wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:13 am
237k players in NSWv
& you believe that .
Oh my
You got something other than your warped opinion of things to dispute it? Links please?


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Have you got something to back up those figures .

Besides a paper that is as reliable as a broken watch .


Can you post the actual registered club player numbers .
Not the participant bullshit. Not the Auskick bullshit .
But real actual interest .
Players who play in regular competitions ....over a season

I bet you can't .
Afl house don't like to release REAL figures .

It kind of wrecks the propaganda

Then there is the double counting(happens in all sports)
One person can play for his or her school
Then play in a comp on the weekend ....
Lol
You are the perfect delusional fumblefan .
Lap up the bullshit
Never question the bullshit
Repeat the bullshit ..it's GOSPEL


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AFLcrap1 wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:01 am
Have you got something to back up those figures .

Besides a paper that is as reliable as a broken watch .


Can you post the actual registered club player numbers .
Not the participant bullshit. Not the Auskick bullshit .
But real actual interest .
Players who play in regular competitions ....over a season

I bet you can't .
Afl house don't like to release REAL figures .

It kind of wrecks the propaganda

Then there is the double counting(happens in all sports)
One person can play for his or her school
Then play in a comp on the weekend ....
Lol
You are the perfect delusional fumblefan .
Lap up the bullshit
Never question the bullshit
Repeat the bullshit ..it's GOSPEL
lol at least they arent as far fetched as the NRLOL's figures they continue to release! you call BS to every lot of participation stats released, from the government, roy morgan & other independent 3rd party research, then expect every one to believe the NRLOL's stats even more amusing they always seem to contradict all the other stats :mrgreen:


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Lol
A bit touchy .
I would be too
If my sport had been caught out multiple time outright lying about numbers .
Carry on dingbat


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AFLcrap1 wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:01 am
Have you got something to back up those figures .
I posted a source to my stats. You've posted nothing but your warped opinion and dislike for the source. Case closed, loser.


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Lol
You posted an article from an afl journo in a paper that prints bullshit .
Lol reliable .

No

I posted from an INDEPENDENT source who stated how they manipulate figures .

You fumblers don't like the Lawson report .
It destroys the propaganda bubble .

237 k players ..lol x1000000
86 k female players lol x 100000000000000000000000
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Beaussie wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:18 pm
Taking into account all relevant factors such as crowds, membership, sponsorship, tv ratings, media coverage, participation etc, etc, how would you rate and rank the codes in terms of popularity in NSW.

For me, I think the AFL has done a magnificent job in a relatively short time to get Australian Football into 2nd rank behind the dominate Rugby League. This I say is hard to deny when you look at the huge gap in crowds, memberships numbers, sponsorship dollars, tv ratings, media etc compared to Soccer and Rugby Union. You gotta feel for Rugby Union. I would have once said they were ranked 2nd. Sadly the reality for that code today is a 4th ranking behind Soccer. How times change eh?

Anyway, thought it would be interesting to see your rankings and justifications. Here is mine:

1st. NRL - Rugby League
2nd. AFL - Australian Football
3rd. FFA - Soccer
4th. ARU - Rugby Union
going by those stats the AFL are decades ahead, in overall terms of popularity who knows, the rise in popularity of the swans since the 90s has grown significantly & are decades ahead of all of the other teams.

the rugbys seem to be in the most trouble, union seems to be just a thing of the past, it will have its supporter base, topped up by expats from europe & south africa etc, but it still has a stigma of being a private school game & isnt played in large amounts out side if that areans.

League its NSW based clubs are cash strapped & main fan base seems to be just the old dinosaur bogans, that carry large chips over their shoulders or people with a few screws loose, it has been reported in recent years that the participation numbers have been down and continue to go down
http://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/nrl-c ... t-numbers/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/07/14/au ... indings-2/
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016 ... n-not-dire
from a quick google search

soccer who cares!


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Afl ahead .
Lol
You really didn't get any smarter while you were banned


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Just to highlight the stupidity of fumblers .
Bullshit afl numbers printed .....going great .
RL numbers printed ...bullshit numbers
they're in trouble
Lol
If you fumblers take PARTICIPATION numbers as gospel
Then RL has more participants in AUST than AFL

Me .
Lol participation numbers are all propaganda .

Real interest lies in real CLUB registered numbers .
Not adding numbers from schools who were subsidised to join Auskick...lol
& kids who had no interest went to Auskick to get out of school .

Lol
Really big interest from them


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Beaussie wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:37 am
What a stupid post Terry. Fair dinkum. :roll:

Keep living in your world of delusion sunshine. Meanwhile the stats that matter:
STATE OF GROWTH

— Sydney Swans membership up 15.7%
— GWS Giants membership up 13.6%
— 2016 NSW/ACT AFL players: 237,549 up (10.4%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT Auskick players: 61,037 (up 18.24%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT AFL 9s players: 7347 (up 12.2%)
- 2016 NSW/ACT female players: 85,919 (up 23%)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 64dfd057aa
Do you remember the Lawson report pal?? Nothing's changed except fumble house now don't let the truth be told publicly as it embarrasses the hell out of them.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 283jn.html



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