Who has more questions to answer?

[TLPG]

I nearly put this on the AFL Board but then I realised that this is better suited to The Fight Club. I'm just going to start this, put my own opinion - and then leave it to the rest of you.

I have voted for Dank, because he is the root problem here. I believe that it is his total lack of co-operation with ASADA that has caused the show cause notices to be sent to the Bombers players. That ***** has caused a lot of trouble for ASADA and fouled up the whole process, and I do expect Cronulla players to be pursued in a similar manner. Now as much as I hate thugby league, I will support the Sharks in any challenge as I would with Essendon now. Everyone has been pulled in all because of Dank and his total lack of responsibility. As far as I'm concerned, Dank is a bona fide crook and he needs to be grilled more than any other party.

[NlolRL]

Dank definitely, closely followed by the bombouts

[Swans4ever]

I blame ASADA - they knew of Dank and his practices for years - should have come public on these issues years before he went to the Sharks or Bombers! Why has previous clubs he was associated with interviewed or investigated??? No it's all political and there is a BIG whitewash in both codes and cover ups!!! They had the power to get him - they had the power to inform the Fed Pol of their concerns - they have completely fucked up both investigations - this organisation couldn't find a polar bear in a coal mine - an utter disgrace and waste of tax payers money!

[leagueiscrap]

I blame ASADA - they knew of Dank and his practices for years - should have come public on these issues years before he went to the Sharks or Bombers! Why has previous clubs he was associated with interviewed or investigated??? No it's all political and there is a BIG whitewash in both codes and cover ups!!! They had the power to get him - they had the power to inform the Fed Pol of their concerns - they have completely fucked up both investigations - this organisation couldn't find a polar bear in a coal mine - an utter disgrace and waste of tax payers money!

like most government departments. great at being incompetent

the interesting thing to become of the whole investigation that ASADA have done, Dank is yet to be interviewed, all players interviewed where meant to have been confidential. but their names have been splashed all over the paper twice, for all the public to see

now they have been handed show of clause notices & the ASADA Ben McDevitt’s is going on a media blitz or stating if the players come forward they can get a plea bargain of 18 months not the full 2 years, then several days later after Essendon/ Paul little have said they are off to court, Ben McDevitt’s is now urgent players to come forward and could only get a 6 month penalty.
what ever evidence he & ASADA have they are scraping the shit in the bottom of the barrel & are desperate now the players have been hung out to dry

what ever the truth is, all players involved should not have been made public only after if they where found to be guilty, AFL & NRL & it should not have taken 18 months, & now with this media blitz is only making matters worse

[enarelle]

And what happens to the Essendon management who orchestrated,ran and paid for the whole show?

[Swans4ever]

And what happens to the Essendon management who orchestrated,ran and paid for the whole show?

Same as Cronulla I guess! Can't you take you emenarella coloured glasses off for one minute???? Fact is Dank has been doing this for years before even Cronulla - and he gets away with it - I wouldn't be surprised he he told them he would spill the beans on all the sporting bodies he's worked with and how he has doped all those clubs - (and he first came from RL). Yet ASADA told no one, they failed to investigate him, they have gone after scape goats only - they have prosecuted the private and let the general get off scot free!

[TLPG]

The trouble is, Swans, I don't think ASADA has any jurisdiction over Dank - and I think he knows it hence all his bravado when ASADA tried to get him to talk. I do agree though that they should have referred the matter to the Feds, but then is there any proof that ASADA actually knew about Dank before Essendon first self reported to the AFL? The initial press conference that was brought forward because of it was far more general than that claiming that a lot of sports were involved, not just the two. ASADA would have needed enough for the Feds to actually act, and my guess is they don't. I wonder if it's worth reviewing the legislation that governs ASADA and giving them more power.

Had to make that point.

[Swans4ever]

The trouble is, Swans, I don't think ASADA has any jurisdiction over Dank - and I think he knows it hence all his bravado when ASADA tried to get him to talk. I do agree though that they should have referred the matter to the Feds, but then is there any proof that ASADA actually knew about Dank before Essendon first self reported to the AFL? The initial press conference that was brought forward because of it was far more general than that claiming that a lot of sports were involved, not just the two. ASADA would have needed enough for the Feds to actually act, and my guess is they don't. I wonder if it's worth reviewing the legislation that governs ASADA and giving them more power.

Had to make that point.

I can't say too much but what I have been informed Danks activities have been well known for ten years and more - that's why Essendon got him - he was at Geelong, Cronulla, Manly etc etc.

[AFLcrap1]

ASADA don't need Dank (& I think they know he wasn't going to be easy to get)
All they need is those around him to spill the beans.

[NRLCrap1]

Get your hand off it, meat puppet! Dunk should be slam dunked!

[AFLcrap1]

Get your hand off it, meat puppet! Dunk should be slam dunked!

Mash them keys you fucking ****.
Another thread where you come in & start talking shit.

[enarelle]

Only the minority AFL crew on this site cannot see that the Essendon management are the real villains in the process. Why did they get Dank in? Why did they keep him? How much did they pay him? The head of ASADA has already put the Sharks and the Bombers into two different categories. Why? Why did the Sharks regime last less than 6 weeks and the Bombers 10 times that?

Finally why are the other 17 AFL clubs up in arms over the Bombers strategy to go to the Federal Court?

Dank is dodgy but he held no gun to the head of the Bombers management.

[NlolRL]

Only the minority AFL crew on this site cannot see that the Essendon management are the real villains in the process. Why did they get Dank in? Why did they keep him? How much did they pay him? The head of ASADA has already put the Sharks and the Bombers into two different categories. Why? Why did the Sharks regime last less than 6 weeks and the Bombers 10 times that?

Finally why are the other 17 AFL clubs up in arms over the Bombers strategy to go to the Federal Court?

Dank is dodgy but he held no gun to the head of the Bombers management.

ASADA have come out and pretty much said essendon players were deceived into bing given banned substances without their knowledge. Are you suggesting the club officials doped their players behind their backs?

[King-Eliagh]

And what happens to the Essendon management who orchestrated,ran and paid for the whole show?

Spot on enarelle. The clubs cannot and should not expect to divulge responsibility. It's not right and we all know how far clubs have sought to go to shall we say 'win at all costs'. It's anti sport really and if one watched the four corners expose on the matter last year one would have seen the transcripts of essendon officials and other club officials which highlight how they sought any possible advantage they could gain without even a thought of players health, as long as the substances they used would not land them in trouble... It's outrageous and the guilty clubs like essendon should put their hands up and stop putting their players in the firing line by not taking responsibility for their actions. What cowards.

[TLPG]

I need to address what Enarelle said, by pointing out that many at Essendon didn't know until virtually the eve of the day they self reported as to what was going on. So I wouldn't be blaming everyone in the front office or even the back office for that. Someone was being a.......oh I can't think of the word, but anyway someone was stopping the problem from getting out by deleting information. That's from memory at the time that the question was first asked as to why they didn't know until they self reported. Someone within the club was playing games. The other point was that Dank was a salesman, and he sold his nonsense to someone in the club. He did that to the other clubs as well (AFL and NRL). Essendon through that same someone bought it.

As a result, the only question Essendon need to answer - and I think they would want the answer themselves - is who hid Dank's actions from the board? It would be easy to say it was Hird or the other guy (can't think of his name as I type this) and if I had to give my opinion I would go with that other guy.

But the bottom line is this. Dank is a drug dealer. He is a crook. He has hurt Essendon and badly, and that's the main reason why I think he's got the most questions to answer.

Second, on what Wookie said, I think the only reason we haven't heard from the NRL or Cronulla is that they shut up shop awhile back. Totally the opposite to what the AFL and Essendon did. Now whether or not that costs them is something we'll have to wait and see about. I think I addressed the rest of Wookie's comment in what I said to Enarelle.