Talking Footy

For awhile mr NRLcrapper has had abit of trouble with maths calculations and comprehension skills. He is the Coach & Captain of the AFL squad and now it seems his unfortunately passed these bad traits on to some of his cadets in here...

AFL people never manage to understand that just because the AFL is the number 1 code in more states than the NRL/RL it doesn't mean shit if all those AFL states amount upto only 45% of Australia. So NRLcrapper and co is 45/100 bigger or smaller than 55/100?

For all the AFL people in here that need E.S.L type assistance fear not as ive done this to make it easier for you...

___________________________________Australian television market regions___________________________________



1. Perth Metropolitan area
2. Adelaide Metropolitan area (including Murray Bridge)
3. Melbourne Metropolitan area (including Geelong)
4. Sydney Metropolitan area (including Central Coast and Blue Mountains)
5. Brisbane Metropolitan area (including Gold Coast and southern Sunshine Coast)
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1. Perth metro - 1.9 Million. regionals - 500K (WA population is 2.4 Million)
2. Adelaide metro - 1.3 Million. regionals - 300K (SA population is 1.6 Million)
3. Melbourne metro - 4.4 Million. regionals - 1.7 Million (VIC population is 5.6 million and TAS population is 500K)
4. Sydney metro - 4.6 million. regionals - 3.1 million (NSW population is 7.3 million and ACT population is 400K)
5. Brisbane metro - 2.9 million. regionals - 1.7 Million (QLD population is 4.6 million)

traditional AFL states
metro - 7.6 Million
regionals - 2.5 million

traditional RL states
metro - 7.7 million
regionals - 4.8 million

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... enDocument
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television ... _Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia

Why do the AFL squad in here keep wasting our oxygen and time with their pointless 'we are number one rants'? its bad enough with the AFL hyjacking 7mate and blasting it with their boring shit every weekend when i could be watching lassie or family ties, but now copping the same eye vomit online by AFL supporters claiming they are number 1, that perth & Adelaides tv audience is worth more $$$ than NSW & QLD regionals (yadda yadda), i could go on and on...

(im now just sitting back and waiting for the return barrage )

Your point would be correct if both codes were only supported in their heartland state. Where you fall down badly is that the AFL has a modest following in QLD and NSW where as RL has a tiny following in VIC and no following at all in other AFL states

Why you can not comprehend this is beyond me

Couldn't have said that better, Xman! The percentage means nothing until both sides are equal - and they are NOT!

So if you're going to get your maths right, you have to have the right equation to begin with, 214!

NRL is no were near as popular in NSW & QLD compared to how popular AFL is in VIC, SA, WA, TAS & NT

On the other side AFL is more popular in NSW & QLD than Rugby league is in the AFL states.

Geez blind freddy even knows this.

im sure Rugby Leagues 2 million or so extras more than covers the few thousand NSWelshman and QLDers that may have jumped to the dark side..

Also the Fair level of support for AFL in NSW is majority pressed into one part of NSW (VIC border areas) and this part of NSW is the least populated. LoL the Major centres are albury and Wagga Wagga, haha wow you can have those and add them to Victoria.

So ill minus 200,000 (that well covers it) for the border regions and that leaves the rest of the NSW with 7.2 million and where AFL is a VERY minor sport, sits well behind all the 'footy' codes. evidence is the pittance AFL numbers for the entire Sydney Metro.

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

214Four wrote:

im sure Rugby Leagues 2 million or so extras more than covers the few thousand NSWelshman and QLDers that may have jumped to the dark side..

Also the Fair level of support for AFL in NSW is majority pressed into one part of NSW (VIC border areas) and this part of NSW is the least populated. LoL the Major centres are albury and Wagga Wagga, haha wow you can have those and add them to Victoria.

So ill minus 200,000 (that well covers it) for the border regions and that leaves the rest of the NSW with 7.2 million and where AFL is a VERY minor sport, sits well behind all the 'footy' codes. evidence is the pittance AFL numbers for the entire Sydney Metro.

There are 4 AFL clubs in QLD and NSW, averaging total crowds of 75k per fortnight. All of Vic wa sa and Tas have 1 NRL team between them averaging 13k per fortnight. Add to that the AFLs following in its own heartland is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than NRL in Nsw and qld.

You only have to compare the broncos and Perths AFL teams. 75k total per fortnight for the eagles and dockers compared to 30k for the broncos from a larger population. You then are left to compare Vic to NSW. 40-50k average for the AFL and 15k for the NRL, and NSW is far bigger.

Fact is AFL is far more popular in its own states, and in expansion states compared to NRL

Pete_09 wrote:

NRL is no were near as popular in NSW & QLD compared to how popular AFL is in VIC, SA, WA, TAS & NT

I wouldnt totally agree with that comment. For one i think its passion not popularity, The popularity of RL is second to none in QLD and NSW. There is more passion from AF fans in VIC, SA, WA and TAS for premiership AFL than the NRL has in QLD and NSW from RL fans. I think NT has an even 50/50 RL/AF fan base.

both fans have the same level of passion for their games its just I think when it comes to RL a majority of the passion for the game is used during state representative clashes. NSW and QLD have been bitter rivals even before the first state of origin series and when i was young i remember watching SOO clashes and getting so angry if NSW lost to QLD, To this day i do not know why its so, specially as i have so much family in QLD and i love the place, but i just build up this hatred for QLD at origin time and even today get pissed when NSW lose(have been pissed since 2005).

AF fans do not have representative clashes like the NRL and i think this is the major factor regarding the more passion displayed for the AFL season. if the AFL had state or international games where there was ansimilar rivarlry and passion as RL fans have for origin then i think we would naturally see a reduction in the passion during the AFL season too.

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

I wouldnt be putting the word substantial and AFL in NSW and QLD in the same sentence.

what sydney numbers do you want me to look at?.. participation numbers?.. they are the only numbers for sydney that could MAYBE conjugate using the word substantial, you cant be refering to actual registered players where theres about 7000 in all of sydney metro (4.6 million). here is a look at the 'strength' of AFL in Sydney and the substantial growth.

In 2007, 19 clubs fielded 62 teams. The Sydney AFL now boasts 22 clubs fielding 78 teams. This is a far cry from the lows of 1998 when 38 teams took the field. OMG stop the press! in 2012 there were 78 AFL teams in Sydney! Now before you get excited NRLcrapper we arnt talking about some tiny backward victorian town, or a south australian or WA regional city of 20,000 (lol thats a massive population for them), we are talking about Sydney with 4.6 million people or 0.000000000017% of the population lol! Definatly SUBSTANTIAL, the amount of zeros i mean

I cant talk about the so called leagues you have bought up from around QLD cos i dont really care enough to look into it but those leagues you mentioned from newcastle and the illawarra and the north coast lol would be classed as a national league if they were in europe. they all cover distances of more than 150km, the north coast one covers a distance of about 350kms, thats similar to the height of Victoria from melbourne to Albury. Mind you these international sized leagues are 5 or 6 teams and thats it, 5 or 6 teams in an area larger than the UK with a population of 500 to 700 thousand. Again defineatly SUBSTANTIAL, the fuel costs during the season i mean

214Four wrote:

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

I wouldnt be putting the word substantial and AFL in NSW and QLD in the same sentence.

what sydney numbers do you want me to look at?.. participation numbers?.. they are the only numbers for sydney that could MAYBE conjugate using the word substantial, you cant be refering to actual registered players where theres about 7000 in all of sydney metro (4.6 million). here is a look at the 'strength' of AFL in Sydney and the substantial growth.

In 2007, 19 clubs fielded 62 teams. The Sydney AFL now boasts 22 clubs fielding 78 teams. This is a far cry from the lows of 1998 when 38 teams took the field. OMG stop the press! in 2012 there were 78 AFL teams in Sydney! Now before you get excited NRLcrapper were arnt talking about some tiny backward victorian town, or a south australian or WA regional city of 20,000 (lol thats a massive population for them), we are talking about Sydney with 4.6 million people or 0.000000000017% of the population lol! Definatly SUBSTANTIAL, the amount of zeros i mean

I cant talk about the so called leagues you have bought up from around QLD cos i dont really care enough to look into it but those leagues you mentioned from newcastle and the illawarra and the north coast lol would be classed as a national competition if they were in europe. they all cover distances of more than 150km, the north coast one covers a distance of about 350kms, thats similar to the height of Victoria from melbourne to Albury. Mind you these international sized leagues are 5 or 6 teams and thats it, 5 or 6 teams in an area larger than the UK with a population of 500 to 700 thousand. Again defineatly SUBSTANTIAL, the fuel costs during the season i mean

The trouble with your argument is two fold
1st it assumes that everyone in each state has drawn a line and only follows one code

2nd it makes no account of other sports and the people that follow them

You are trying to argue that as NSW is bigger it has a greater following nationally - it doesn't in the Sth states it has very little interest - in NSW loyalties are divided between 4 codes with gray in between. There those that follow one code, 2 codes and maybe all four. There is also that follow none. Saying we have the biggest state so we are the biggest is to ignor local attractions and indifference.

Swans4ever wrote:

214Four wrote:

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

I wouldnt be putting the word substantial and AFL in NSW and QLD in the same sentence.

what sydney numbers do you want me to look at?.. participation numbers?.. they are the only numbers for sydney that could MAYBE conjugate using the word substantial, you cant be refering to actual registered players where theres about 7000 in all of sydney metro (4.6 million). here is a look at the 'strength' of AFL in Sydney and the substantial growth.

In 2007, 19 clubs fielded 62 teams. The Sydney AFL now boasts 22 clubs fielding 78 teams. This is a far cry from the lows of 1998 when 38 teams took the field. OMG stop the press! in 2012 there were 78 AFL teams in Sydney! Now before you get excited NRLcrapper were arnt talking about some tiny backward victorian town, or a south australian or WA regional city of 20,000 (lol thats a massive population for them), we are talking about Sydney with 4.6 million people or 0.000000000017% of the population lol! Definatly SUBSTANTIAL, the amount of zeros i mean

I cant talk about the so called leagues you have bought up from around QLD cos i dont really care enough to look into it but those leagues you mentioned from newcastle and the illawarra and the north coast lol would be classed as a national competition if they were in europe. they all cover distances of more than 150km, the north coast one covers a distance of about 350kms, thats similar to the height of Victoria from melbourne to Albury. Mind you these international sized leagues are 5 or 6 teams and thats it, 5 or 6 teams in an area larger than the UK with a population of 500 to 700 thousand. Again defineatly SUBSTANTIAL, the fuel costs during the season i mean

The trouble with your argument is two fold
1st it assumes that everyone in each state has drawn a line and only follows one code

2nd it makes no account of other sports and the people that follow them

You are trying to argue that as NSW is bigger it has a greater following nationally - it doesn't in the Sth states it has very little interest - in NSW loyalties are divided between 4 codes with gray in between. There those that follow one code, 2 codes and maybe all four. There is also that follow none. Saying we have the biggest state so we are the biggest is to ignor local attractions and indifference.

swans every arguement can be two fold. Each point you made above i could turn it around and say the same for Victoria or any traditional AFL state. every state and territory would have people like the ones you described, the AFL is not somehow exempt.

large migrant communities new to australia will have little to no interest in the two codes for many years, and unfortunately the premier market (for both codes) NSW and Victoria take in the vast majority of foreign migrants. Both cities with similar cultural diversity and population size would have similar percentages of its citizens who follow multiple codes, thos with a small following of the main code or other and those with no interest at all.

I would say that the AFL is in a worse of situation compared to the NRL when it comes to attracting new migrants to the game. unlike the AFL, Rugby league does have some international presense and a decent one in some countries with the highest migrant intake (such as the UK and NZ), whereas AFL would be alien to them and history tells us that humanbeings usually go to whats familiar. alot of britts and kiwis would already have some type of interest in either or both rugby codes giving Rugby league the heads up over AFL in the new migrant stakes.

With all the inner state migration WA has had of recent years of which the majority from QLD and NSW, this massive intake from the eastern RL states will no doubt alter the sporting culture and landscape in the west. already RL is popping up in the northern towns and cities in WA and the state is noticably less AFL bias and fixated then it was just 10 years ago.

There are heaps and heaps of examples where the comments can be two fold, i did try above to show 'both folds' lol. i am sure i will get a reply from you with some area i missed or didnt mention that can turn back against my comments...

BTW im enjoying the thoughtful opposing views swans, good to read. I have always believed in the saying that you should always look at things from different perspective

214Four wrote:

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

I wouldnt be putting the word substantial and AFL in NSW and QLD in the same sentence.

what sydney numbers do you want me to look at?.. participation numbers?.. they are the only numbers for sydney that could MAYBE conjugate using the word substantial, you cant be refering to actual registered players where theres about 7000 in all of sydney metro (4.6 million). here is a look at the 'strength' of AFL in Sydney and the substantial growth.

In 2007, 19 clubs fielded 62 teams. The Sydney AFL now boasts 22 clubs fielding 78 teams. This is a far cry from the lows of 1998 when 38 teams took the field. OMG stop the press! in 2012 there were 78 AFL teams in Sydney! Now before you get excited NRLcrapper were arnt talking about some tiny backward victorian town, or a south australian or WA regional city of 20,000 (lol thats a massive population for them), we are talking about Sydney with 4.6 million people or 0.000000000017% of the population lol! Definatly SUBSTANTIAL, the amount of zeros i mean

I cant talk about the so called leagues you have bought up from around QLD cos i dont really care enough to look into it but those leagues you mentioned from newcastle and the illawarra and the north coast lol would be classed as a national competition if they were in europe. they all cover distances of more than 150km, the north coast one covers a distance of about 350kms, thats similar to the height of Victoria from melbourne to Albury. Mind you these international sized leagues are 5 or 6 teams and thats it, 5 or 6 teams in an area larger than the UK with a population of 500 to 700 thousand. Again defineatly SUBSTANTIAL, the fuel costs during the season i mean

http://warugbyleague.com.au/our-history/
In over sixty years the size of this league hasn't even doubled. Yeah real growth there huh? And only one other league in the whole fricking state!

And yet in New South Wales they have ELEVEN! Not including the ACT! In Queensland they have EIGHT! And that includes multiple divisions in the South East corner!

And you have the gall to call that NOT SUBSTANTIAL?? What's NOT SUBSTANTIAL is the rugby league presence in AFL territory!! The difference is worth much more than the 200,000 you're talking about! Ten clubs in and around Newcastle according to the 2014 fixtures that I just looked up alone! I'll bet there aren't many more rugby league clubs in the same area!!

As far as Sydney goes, how about adding the junior team and club numbers eh?

NRLCrap1 wrote:

214Four wrote:

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

I wouldnt be putting the word substantial and AFL in NSW and QLD in the same sentence.

what sydney numbers do you want me to look at?.. participation numbers?.. they are the only numbers for sydney that could MAYBE conjugate using the word substantial, you cant be refering to actual registered players where theres about 7000 in all of sydney metro (4.6 million). here is a look at the 'strength' of AFL in Sydney and the substantial growth.

In 2007, 19 clubs fielded 62 teams. The Sydney AFL now boasts 22 clubs fielding 78 teams. This is a far cry from the lows of 1998 when 38 teams took the field. OMG stop the press! in 2012 there were 78 AFL teams in Sydney! Now before you get excited NRLcrapper were arnt talking about some tiny backward victorian town, or a south australian or WA regional city of 20,000 (lol thats a massive population for them), we are talking about Sydney with 4.6 million people or 0.000000000017% of the population lol! Definatly SUBSTANTIAL, the amount of zeros i mean

I cant talk about the so called leagues you have bought up from around QLD cos i dont really care enough to look into it but those leagues you mentioned from newcastle and the illawarra and the north coast lol would be classed as a national competition if they were in europe. they all cover distances of more than 150km, the north coast one covers a distance of about 350kms, thats similar to the height of Victoria from melbourne to Albury. Mind you these international sized leagues are 5 or 6 teams and thats it, 5 or 6 teams in an area larger than the UK with a population of 500 to 700 thousand. Again defineatly SUBSTANTIAL, the fuel costs during the season i mean

http://warugbyleague.com.au/our-history/
In over sixty years the size of this league hasn't even doubled. Yeah real growth there huh? And only one other league in the whole fricking state!

And yet in New South Wales they have ELEVEN! Not including the ACT! In Queensland they have EIGHT! And that includes multiple divisions in the South East corner!

And you have the gall to call that NOT SUBSTANTIAL?? What's NOT SUBSTANTIAL is the rugby league presence in AFL territory!! The difference is worth much more than the 200,000 you're talking about! Ten clubs in and around Newcastle according to the 2014 fixtures that I just looked up alone! I'll bet there aren't many more rugby league clubs in the same area!!

As far as Sydney goes, how about adding the junior team and club numbers eh?

Umm NRLcrappers how long has AFL been in NSW and QLD? it was been in Sydney for over 100 years and in that time the game has grown to 7000 or so registered players, haha. in western sydney AFL is not new either, it has been around for a LONG time. The AFL claim that the Auburn tigers are one of these new clubs into western sydney, that couldnt be further from the truth, that area had a previous AFL team in the area, the auburn red legs who folded due to not enough players in the mid 90s. the tigers are just the red legs re branded.

I wouldnt laugh at RLs impact after 60 years, it would only have been the last decade or so that RL has moved into victoria, yes the prescense is very small but its still alot better than what can be said for the AFL. 7000 registered players to show for over 100 years in sydney, and over 100 years in NSW and its regional leagues are so sparse, the players would have as many frequent flyer points as sir Richard Branson,

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

theres leagues in these places because of inbred ********* & their offspring from the sthn states having moved there
they play their silly little game in these places in front of no one but themselves
& are laughed at by the local population who are only concerned with the sport they've always played & watched ....
Rugby League

tiny
minor
irrelevant


words to describe VFL in NSW/ACT & QLD

Raiderdave wrote:

NRLCrap1 wrote:

You're wrong. AFL in New South Wales and Queensland is substantial. Sure it's not the most popular code there, but you only have to look at club numbers in the Sydney competition and how strong the game is in the Riverina! Not just Albury and Wagga - the whole fricking region! There's a league in Newcastle. There's a league in Wollongong. There's a league in Tamworth, Bathurst, Coffs Harbour.....do I need to go on? Queensland? There's a league in Toowoomba (suck on that, MP!), Cairns, Mackay, Townsville.....getting it yet?

theres leagues in these places because of inbred ********* & their offspring from the sthn states having moved there
they play their silly little game in these places in front of no one but themselves
& are laughed at by the local population who are only concerned with the sport they've always played & watched ....
Rugby League

tiny
minor
irrelevant


words to describe VFL in NSW/ACT & QLD

haha Tony Montana would call them a barnch of faarkken cackaroochess.

nrlcrapper must of just recently learnt a new big person word, 'substantial' and he loves using it for basically anything. although his not too sure exactly what it means cos he used it to say AFL in NSW is substantial. he knows it means something good though. haha well its good to see his finally building his vocabulary. good cos his minder at the sheltered workshops was starting to think crapper may have ortisium but clearly its just turrets... GOOSE.... YA GOOOSEE...... GOOSE.... ahhh SUBSTANNNSHUL....