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Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:11 am
by King-Eliagh
Jamal Idris asked if he'd experienced racism on the field.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5829335249
Adam Goodes - unfortunately or perhaps intentionally not asked about if he'd experienced racism on the field.
Goodes was abused by a high-profile AFL player as a 22-year-old - an attack he remembers to this day.
He says [about racism]..."It definitely hasn't (been eradicated)," Goodes tells Sheahan. "Almost isn't good enough.
"It's something we're continually talking about at our indigenous camps that we have every second year... A lot of players don't report it. It does really effect some players"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/AFL/teams/a ... 6401729864
A stark on field contrast between the two codes if you ask me. Why are their more racist players in the AFL? I'd say it's because the AFL has not been able to build a multicultural culture and ethos like in the RL. They're trying but really, when you have the terms 'Australian rules' in the name of the sport and the sport is only played professionally in Australia, you're not really espousing an inclusive open and multicultural ethos to the game, are you? The name of the game symbolises a narrow nationalistic notion that belongs in the days of the white australia policy, the time in which the name was developed. The game should be called marngrook, you'd then have something that contributes to reconciliation and a more open and inviting name for the sport, not confined to a bloody nation and its 'rules', like in 99.9% of all sports names...the way it should be.
Just sayin it like it is folks, just sayin it like it is.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:10 am
by Swans4ever
Really KE, NRL is 20yrs behind AF, racial vilification was an issue in the AF and now has a process and education measures in place - these measures have been there much longer than RL. As for players racial views, people are recruited from a wide selection of the community for their ability to play football, not their for their views on society. It is clear with incidents in both codes its not restricted to a game of football! As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do? I was in Grafton visiting relatives - walked towards shopping cnt and was followed by a group of 4 local aborigines went to walk down a blind alley but instead walked towards main street and they turned around and went back the way they had came from. Is that racism or self protection - I would have done the same if in Lonsdale Street Melb! Don't confuse racism with being concerned for ones welfare.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:45 pm
by Raiderdave
Swans4ever wrote:Really KE, NRL is 20yrs behind AF, racial vilification was an issue in the AF and now has a process and education measures in place - these measures have been there much longer than RL. As for players racial views, people are recruited from a wide selection of the community for their ability to play football, not their for their views on society. It is clear with incidents in both codes its not restricted to a game of football! As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do? I was in Grafton visiting relatives - walked towards shopping cnt and was followed by a group of 4 local aborigines went to walk down a blind alley but instead walked towards main street and they turned around and went back the way they had came from. Is that racism or self protection - I would have done the same if in Lonsdale Street Melb! Don't confuse racism with being concerned for ones welfare.
a vanillaball halfwit telling Indigenous people whats what
Jamal Idris said .. Racism isn't an issue in RL
Adam Goodes said it is in the VFL
but hey
you continue to lecture these 2 & tell them you know more then they do about it
how dumb
seriously ... how dumb
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:17 pm
by Swans4ever
Sure he did Raiderdave - sure he did Raiderdave. Now go and play with ur toy soldiers and let the grown ups talk
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:54 am
by Swans4ever
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:19 am
by Raiderdave
don't you just love fumbleball fans
they're experts in just about everything
they know what people in places they've never been to think about things ... somehow more so then people who live in these places & have done so all of their lives
they know more about how people of a certain cultural background feel about things
& even despite people of this background being quoted in the press stating their feelings on the subject
fumbleball fans will magically know more
how dumb
seriously .. how dumb
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:38 am
by Swans4ever
Yes just like someone making statements of racism in another code - that same person doesn't watch on tv, go to games, have a membership etc etc - in fact follows a completely different code, to quote how dumb how dumb!
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:22 pm
by King-Eliagh
Ahh swines? This thread is about racism on the field. You've found five links that refern to racism off the field, one of them actually supportive of the high levels of acceptance of difference in NRL clubs
Seriously, you've got nothing. The NRL have no mandate over sports reporters in wollongong. Mr Morrow has shown that racism is alive in Australia. Its quite clear the NRL footy field is a lot more culturally safe than our AFL footy fields.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:37 pm
by piesman2011
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/sites/def ... uction.pdf
Here KE this should educate you a little if you were unaware. RL has a history of leaving it on the field and in no way should be taking the high ground on this one.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:43 pm
by King-Eliagh
Swans4ever wrote:Really KE, NRL is 20yrs behind AF, racial vilification was an issue in the AF and now has a process and education measures in place - these measures have been there much longer than RL.
I dont think Goodes and Idris comments reflect this on the field swine.
swine wrote: As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do?
As for jamal idris and anyone else of any colour and belonging to the human race, if I were a shopkeeper i'd treat them equally on their merits as customers. Racist folk treat people who are of different colour differently. A disgusting comment you make swine
swine wrote:I was in Grafton visiting relatives - walked towards shopping cnt and was followed by a group of 4 local aborigines went to walk down a blind alley but instead walked towards main street and they turned around and went back the way they had came from. Is that racism or self protection - I would have done the same if in Lonsdale Street Melb! Don't confuse racism with being concerned for ones welfare.
This folks looks to be at best a display of swines high level of prejudice against people of Aboriginal descent. At worst its illustrating we have an active member of the kkk and other racist groups amongst us. Swines, unless these Aboriginal men had knives or showed they were 'out to get you' then you are typical of the folk who have had a poor education and therefore perpetuate prejudice and racism against those who belong to and on this land. Did it ever cross your mind that these 4 Aboriginal folk or any Aboriginal folk in Melbourne or across the country it seems were/are not "following" you to hurt your "welfare"? You are no different with homosexual people, you're an extremely fearful man and should get help. Seriously. There's too many fools like you but just think for a moment...how you would feel if you were a healthy good natured Aboriginal bloke walking around and week in week out, people like yourself crossed the road and scurried away from you just because they felt you were out to 'get them'?
I'm sorry swines but until you learn these lessons you really dont belong in this country.
The only way i can describe your post swine is ... godawful...and typical of the prominent ignorance of many AFL fans on this site and likely those who follow the code in general. It is at present, as we've proven, a very monocultural white sport onthe field and in the stadiums.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:53 pm
by King-Eliagh
Not a bad contribution pies. I still believe its more prominent in the AFL. As goodes says, there's heaps of players in the AFL who "leave it on the field" also. So lets not isolate that one to RL eh. The fact of the matter is from a sweep of the literature and media, the AFL comp seems to be the more racist. This I'd argue is likely to be true as, the AFL is by comparison, a very monocultural, 'white' dominated code.
You agree?
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:35 pm
by piesman2011
King-Eliagh wrote:
Not a bad contribution pies. I still believe its more prominent in the AFL. As goodes says, there's heaps of players in the AFL who "leave it on the field" also. So lets not isolate that one to RL eh. The fact of the matter is from a sweep of the literature and media, the AFL comp seems to be the more racist. This I'd argue is likely to be true as, the AFL is by comparison, a very monocultural, 'white' dominated code.
You agree?
If you are saying that culturally AFL is Australian (mono cultural) then I would agree. If you are saying that a majority of people playing it come from European backgrounds (white dominated) then again I agree, that's not to say that we don't have a large proportion of our players comming from an indigenous background. In fact a larger proportion then the general population.
By saying that AFL has more media on racism I agree means that it is more prominent but it doesn't mean that it is more prevalent, it could also mean that it is less hidden.
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:28 pm
by Fred
[quote="Raiderdave"]don't you just love fumbleball fans
they're experts in just about everything
they know what people in places they've never been to think about things ... somehow more so then people who live in these places & have done so all of their lives
they know more about how people of a certain cultural background feel about things
& even despite people of this background being quoted in the press stating their feelings on the subject
fumbleball fans will magically know more
how dumb
seriously .. how dumb
[/quote
Weren't you telling me a bit back that you know more about the Gold Coast than I do despite me living here ???? Lol
What's it feel like to be the resident idiot Dave ?? At least KE knows when
To pounce or sneak away quietly lol
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:33 pm
by Fred
Also were it not you Dave that were telling Victorians that rl had a strong presence at local levels despite the Victorians saying there isn't much of a presence ??? And abusing me when I highlighted that my 10 year son could not play rl where we lived in Victoria as no teams in the area .... With you stating he he 150 or something teams to choose from .... And sticking to this even when rl Victoria's own site lists only 1 leauge with maybe 9 sides covering all of Melbourne metro and Geelong....
Re: Racism on the field NRL vs AFL
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:23 pm
by Swans4ever
King-Eliagh wrote:Swans4ever wrote:Really KE, NRL is 20yrs behind AF, racial vilification was an issue in the AF and now has a process and education measures in place - these measures have been there much longer than RL.
I dont think Goodes and Idris comments reflect this on the field swine.
swine wrote: As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do?
As for jamal idris and anyone else of any colour and belonging to the human race, if I were a shopkeeper i'd treat them equally on their merits as customers. Racist folk treat people who are of different colour differently. A disgusting comment you make swine
swine wrote:I was in Grafton visiting relatives - walked towards shopping cnt and was followed by a group of 4 local aborigines went to walk down a blind alley but instead walked towards main street and they turned around and went back the way they had came from. Is that racism or self protection - I would have done the same if in Lonsdale Street Melb! Don't confuse racism with being concerned for ones welfare.
This folks looks to be at best a display of swines high level of prejudice against people of Aboriginal descent. At worst its illustrating we have an active member of the kkk and other racist groups amongst us. Swines, unless these Aboriginal men had knives or showed they were 'out to get you' then you are typical of the folk who have had a poor education and therefore perpetuate prejudice and racism against those who belong to and on this land. Did it ever cross your mind that these 4 Aboriginal folk or any Aboriginal folk in Melbourne or across the country it seems were/are not "following" you to hurt your "welfare"? You are no different with homosexual people, you're an extremely fearful man and should get help. Seriously. There's too many fools like you but just think for a moment...how you would feel if you were a healthy good natured Aboriginal bloke walking around and week in week out, people like yourself crossed the road and scurried away from you just because they felt you were out to 'get them'?
I'm sorry swines but until you learn these lessons you really dont belong in this country.
The only way i can describe your post swine is ... godawful...and typical of the prominent ignorance of many AFL fans on this site and likely those who follow the code in general. It is at present, as we've proven, a very monocultural white sport onthe field and in the stadiums.
You ars getting back to being Assraiders clone again, nothing racist in what I said, if you took specific comments of an incident that happened to me as a generalisation then you are just deflecting, I did not make a sweeping statment about a specific race only that I could have been jumped by 4aboriginals - thats stating a fact not a slur on a race. My point was simple if the shop keeper had previous trouble then of course he is going to be cautious the same as a rabbi walking into Osama Bin Ladins Mosque! You went one step further and interpreted things that I did not say, being concerned of 4 aborigines is the same as 4 white guys, turks, lebonese etc it is not a reflection on a race. I have worked with Aborigines, played sport with them, represented them - I doubt you have even meet one! You are like most ill informed know it alls - who like to tell others what they are yet too scared to reflect on yourself. No doubt you have serious narcissistic traits!