Talking Footy

lowest sport on the planet
the dirty germs know how to avoid drug detection even before they get to join their drug abusing ... drug dealing older scum already in the VFL
get your children away from these vile humans .. or they'll end up dead in an alley way from an overdose
while this sport continues its 44,892 strikes policy before anything is done , young men will die ..this sleazy shadowy drug infused haze is truly a national embarrasment

and the VFL just sits idly by ............
for shame
for shame


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226533110873


Quote:
Claims that illegal drug use is rife among AFL draftees
Michael Warner Herald Sun December 10, 2012 12:00AM

FOOTY'S drug summit will be told some teenage AFL recruits are already schooled in illegal drugs use when they join the game's top ranks.

The Herald Sun can reveal a senior club figure raised the drugs problem at a meeting with Victorian Sports Minister Hugh Delahunty last week.

He told the Minister some recruits already knew of ways to avoid detection in drug tests when they arrived in the AFL system.

At least one Victorian club will allege at an industry-wide drugs symposium to be held in January that draftees are running the gauntlet on drugs in their first season in the AFL.

The summit was called after Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert warned of "volcanic behaviour" among footballers on their off-season breaks.

The under-18 TAC Cup competition is the major recruiting ground for AFL clubs, providing the bulk of talent at the national draft.

One AFL club boss told the Herald Sun: "I know it to be. Have a look at schoolies. I think the kids are turning to these things earlier on, and not necessarily out of recreation, but because of their backgrounds.

"It's hard out there in the suburbs for a lot of kids and they do turn to drugs. I think they are more accepted at a younger age now.

"Schools are beside themselves -- from the best schools to the most working-class, so why would we think that just because they are in the First XVIII they are not doing it?"

Clubs will use January's meeting to push for greater control of the contentious three-strikes illicit drug testing regime and the right to know which players have recorded strikes.

Under existing rules, only the club doctor is informed of positive tests.

A rise in the number of AFL players self-reporting the use of substances to avoid drug strikes will also be tabled.

The Herald Sun has detailed a spike in players self-reporting the use of drugs to AFL medical directors Dr Peter Harcourt and Dr Harry Unglik.

By self-reporting, players avoid registering a positive drug test and a strike against their name.

The concern is restricted to a small number of players, most from the same Melbourne club.

Allegations of players supplying drugs to teammates will also be raised.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority conducts some drug tests at the under-18 national championships, but not the lower grades.

Veteran Geelong Falcons regional manager Michael Turner said he took offence at the notion of illicit drug use in the TAC Cup.

"Categorically, absolutely not. I have run the Geelong Falcons for AFL Victoria and the AFL for 18 years and they are fantastic kids -- very disciplined kids," Turner said.

"In my time I have never seen any evidence of anything like that. So for anyone to say that ... it's absolute rubbish. I'm offended by it."

Turner said TAC Cup players received the same education on drugs, alcohol, racism and respect and responsibility as AFL footballers.

"What happens after they get drafted and they grow up is an issue for whatever club and environment they are in. So I can't speak for that, because they are adults."

Federal legislation states that ASADA agents can drug test any sporting competition at any level at any time.

A memo to TAC Cup clubs last year said testing was "unlikely to occur" at club level, but would take place at the elite national championships.

Dandenong Stingrays regional manager Mark Wheeler said he had never encountered drug use among his players.

But another TAC Cup official, who asked not be named, said club's would be naive to think junior players were not experimenting with drugs, alcohol and gambling.

"There is a lot of temptation out there -- that's just a reality," he said.

But he said the structure and discipline of junior sport gave troubled kids a better chance in life.

Asked about the drugs in football debate, Delahunty told the Herald Sun: "Drugs of any kind are not welcome in sport. However, this is a matter for the AFL as the controlling body."

Illicit drug use is a community issue and rife amongst young people.

Its a topic that is repeatedly discussed in AFL circles including with industry experts, and their drugs policy is reviewed regularly in view of new evidence or findings. The AFLs results are even published for public scrutiny.

And what of the NRL?

No talk, no published results, just silence...the testing is left to the clubs and is shrouded in secrecy.

THE NRL may or may not have a problem with illicit drugs. We don't know because the game's administration has decided not to tell us. Drug use could be rampant, but the NRL keeps us in the dark because under the terms of its illicit drug-testing policy - carried out by the clubs and endorsed by the players union - confidentiality is ensured.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 1117914212

Yet it wasnt too long ago that it was shown some nRL clubs werent even following the required testing regime

About two months ago, The Australian was told internal audits had revealed at least four clubs failed to meet their requirements under the NRL's in-house testing policy up until that point of the season.
We asked the NRL whether this was correct. We were told it wasn't. Guess what happened when we asked for proof? Sorry, can't help you. We went to the players union. Again, no help.
Where drug testing is concerned, the NRL and its players union subscribe to the old adage: Tell them nothing and give them even less.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 5811536274

But we all know these issues affect the NRL as well

The National Rugby League has had its fair share of illicit drugs battles.
Former Newcastle Knights player Danny Wicks was charged with supplying illicit recreational drugs, specifically for dealing “a full tank of gas” or “another gas bottle” as read his text messages.
Other league players have also spoken out against a culture mixing recreational drugs and alcohol with painkillers.
The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips. As if they feel they are unrestrained by the regulations of their respective sporting body.
Our sporting institutions KNOW this is happening. But their administrators know the brands of their respective codes will be severely damaged if they lose some of their greatest stars, which can potentially lead to a decline in audiences and effectively marketing opportunities.

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/blogs ... ig-sports/

So, as i said, ilicit drug use is a community problem and is prevelent in all sports. But which would you rather? A code that is proactive and determined to discuss these matters and reveal the results of their policies for review? Or a code that wants to hush it all up and essentially refuses to discuss it?

Shocking! Sweep sweep NRL!

Xman wrote:

Illicit drug use is a community issue and rife amongst young people.

Its a topic that is repeatedly discussed in AFL circles including with industry experts, and their drugs policy is reviewed regularly in view of new evidence or findings. The AFLs results are even published for public scrutiny.

And what of the NRL?

No talk, no published results, just silence...the testing is left to the clubs and is shrouded in secrecy.

THE NRL may or may not have a problem with illicit drugs. We don't know because the game's administration has decided not to tell us. Drug use could be rampant, but the NRL keeps us in the dark because under the terms of its illicit drug-testing policy - carried out by the clubs and endorsed by the players union - confidentiality is ensured.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 1117914212

Yet it wasnt too long ago that it was shown some nRL clubs werent even following the required testing regime

About two months ago, The Australian was told internal audits had revealed at least four clubs failed to meet their requirements under the NRL's in-house testing policy up until that point of the season.
We asked the NRL whether this was correct. We were told it wasn't. Guess what happened when we asked for proof? Sorry, can't help you. We went to the players union. Again, no help.
Where drug testing is concerned, the NRL and its players union subscribe to the old adage: Tell them nothing and give them even less.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 5811536274

But we all know these issues affect the NRL as well

The National Rugby League has had its fair share of illicit drugs battles.
Former Newcastle Knights player Danny Wicks was charged with supplying illicit recreational drugs, specifically for dealing “a full tank of gas” or “another gas bottle” as read his text messages.
Other league players have also spoken out against a culture mixing recreational drugs and alcohol with painkillers.
The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips. As if they feel they are unrestrained by the regulations of their respective sporting body.
Our sporting institutions KNOW this is happening. But their administrators know the brands of their respective codes will be severely damaged if they lose some of their greatest stars, which can potentially lead to a decline in audiences and effectively marketing opportunities.

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/blogs ... ig-sports/

. But which would you rather? A code that is proactive and determined to discuss these matters and reveal the results of their policies for review?

oh FFS

the VFL is passively condoning drug use .. it does nil.... nothing ... nada in REAL attempts to tackle the issue
it has the most ridiculous drug policy on the face of the earth
wot is it .... 62,000 strike policy .. players WILL NEVER get caught under this farce of a policy

protects junkies
idolises murderers who inject young ladies & ends their life like a vet putting down a dog
a low filthy sport
played by needle jabbing junkies
followed by brain washed gimps like you

for shame
for shame

The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips.

nRL players admitting to their being widespread drug use in the code, and what's the nRL doing about it? Sweet F/A.

If the nRL ever wants to be respected they need to openly admit that there is an issue instead of sweeping it under the carpet as they've been doing for years. For shame nRL

Stewie wrote:

The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips.

nRL players admitting to their being widespread drug use in the code, and what's the nRL doing about it? Sweet F/A.

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips.

nRL players admitting to their being widespread drug use in the code, and what's the nRL doing about it? Sweet F/A.

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

Your fucking stupid code made a druggie an immortal ffs

nRL.. ZERO integrity. It's nothing short of a disgrace.

Stewie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

nRL players admitting to their being widespread drug use in the code, and what's the nRL doing about it? Sweet F/A.

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

Your fucking stupid code made a druggie an immortal ffs

.

I'll raise you a murderer .... in your hall of fame
the VFL bastion of junkies .. dealers .. & kid killers

keep your children away from this vile organisation

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

Your fucking stupid code made a druggie an immortal ffs

.

I'll raise you a murderer .... in your hall of fame
the VFL bastion of junkies .. dealers .. & kid killers

keep your children away from this vile organisation

Murderer? Please explain how it was a "murder" dumbarse
Speaking of murderers however, what about former nRL player Craig Field?

nRL where drugs and murderers are rampant

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips.

nRL players admitting to their being widespread drug use in the code, and what's the nRL doing about it? Sweet F/A.

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

name and shame who? Their results are secret and they leave testing to the clubs who have been shown they don't follow policy. The NRLs policy is a farce, a sham. Its all talk and no action. They essentially copied the AFLs policy but took a strike off to make themselves look clever. But the thing they took out was accountability! Where the hell are their results? the AFL are openly talking bout the issue everyone knows is there. Meanwhile the NRL say nothing except the odd players quote showing the real situation.

Sweep sweep....

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

an F lot more then your needle exchange endorsing joke of a code

NRL approach
name em
shame em
ban em

VFL approach

pretend nothing happend

VFL.... druggo scum

Your fucking stupid code made a druggie an immortal ffs

.

I'll raise you a murderer .... in your hall of fame
the VFL bastion of junkies .. dealers .. & kid killers

keep your children away from this vile organisation

Typical AFL with rules that allow for this type of thing to happen, IE rules that promote tanking........


A GROUP of Collingwood players self-reporting drug use to the AFL was one of the catalysts for tomorrow's historic drugs summit.

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The Herald Sun can reveal the Magpies players - understood to be at least four - contacted the AFL medical department after one night's activities late last season.

The players escaped a strike under a contentious provision in the AFL's Illicit Drugs Policy.

Self-reporting occurs when a player admits to an AFL medical officer to having used drugs, whether deliberately or inadvertently.

Waite says Carlton is a drug-free zone

It is not only Collingwood players who are reporting drug use to the AFL.

Magpies president Eddie McGuire last night was furious when contacted for comment.

"You're telling me that, but as far as I know at the Collingwood Football Club there is a clean slate because no player as far as I know has had any strikes, because we are not told," McGuire said.

"And that you've been told something two days before a drugs summit which was specifically called for by Collingwood dismays me greatly.

"It shows this drugs policy now to be a farce, where the one thing people could hold the hat on was confidentiality.

Drug users in league of their own

"If there is a problem at Collingwood, and even if I suspected something, I have no powers. This is the AFL's problem, why tell me?"

Speaking again on Triple M's Hot Breakfast this morning, McGuire reiterated he knew nothing of the story and accused the AFL of leaking to the Herald Sun.

"I'll tell you what I'm really filthy about is that this story could have only come from one place - it could have only come from the AFL," McGuire said.

"They're the ones that have the information.

"It strikes me as a bit odd that the day before we have a drug summit that has probably brought the heat on a whole lot of the issues involved here that has been fostered by the Collingwood Football Club, that suddenly it becomes a Collingwood issue.

"It ain't a Collingwood issue and we don't care because you know what? We're actually taking this on head on, we're saying there's a problem."

Magpies chief executive Gary Pert raised the need of a drugs summit when he spoke on the eve of the national draft of an alarming use of illegal drugs by players in the off-season.

Drugs 'an ego issue': Sheedy

He later described the players' behaviour as "volcanic".

The AFL yesterday would not confirm the the club with the raft of self-reporting players.

Self-reporting has been described as a loophole in the drugs policy - some players have taken advantage of the strike-free confession more than once.

The drugs summit tomorrow will discuss limiting self-reports to one a year per player.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said last night any loophole in the system would be eradicated.

"There's no doubt there is an agreement any loophole that can be used will be closed," Demetriou said.

The loopholes include a group of players self-reporting, just as the Magpies players did, or a player consistently self-reporting.

Praising the self-reporting mechanism, Demetriou said it encouraged players to come forward if "they have made a mistake or have an issue".

"What it has uncovered is blokes who have got mental health issues or other issues and it allows them to get treatment," Demetriou said.

Crash course: AFL illicit drugs policy

"And then all those guys go into target testing.

"If they didn't self-notify they wouldn't be target tested or have their medical issues come to the fore."

Demetriou said one self-report per player per season would be one of many discussion points tomorrow.

"That's a topic that's already been discussed and it might be one of the resolutions," Demetriou said.

"There's no firm view about where we end up other than everyone knows there is a loophole that has to be closed."

Players see off-season hazards

Demetriou said he was expecting a spike in positive drug tests, not from testing hair in the off-season, which he said had shown no dramatic change, but from regular in-competition testing.

"We don't know why (there is a spike) ... is it a case of it being one bad year?" Demetriou said.

"Is it in line with what happening in the community where there has been a 21 per cent increase in drug use among young people?

"Is it peer pressure? It could be all those things.

"And, also, the police will talk about this ... it's freely available."

Demetriou said the summit wouldn't be confined to drugs, and would include discussion on alcohol and whether it could be beneficial to allow players to drink more through the season so their off-season wouldn't be so alcohol charged.




Drug addicts, what is going on Pies, your team is full of junkies.....

Mostly speculation. Who knows what is really going on. Rumour is that at least 4 of our players self reported. Thats all I know.

another incisive .... accurate & on the money thread title from Raiderdave

I don't miss the mark too often do I ?
the VFL is a haven for druggo filth .... end of

lol all falling apart.