The BS file!

[Xman]

Here it is!

The official BS file! =D>

This thread is dedicated to recording the utter BS claims that are regularly made, and challenged, on this board. These claims will be debated vigorously in a dedicated claim thread until proven true or not. In doing so we can finally demonstrate who are the greatest BS artists on TFC, and which code's fans spin the most BS overall.

HOW IT WORKS
A. Once a claim or statement of fact is made by a member any other member can challenge the claim by using both an official 'report', and a subsequent post containing words to effect of "BS challenge" or "this one's for the BS file".
B. The TFC moderator will then document the claim in this BS file.
C. A dedicated thread will be created about the claim, if not already done.
D. The claimant will then have 7 days to prove the claim, or the members disputing the claim can disprove it.
E. Once the seven days have expired a decision will be made by the TFC moderator and a RL fan member (if one will agree to step up). The claim will be deemed "BS" if conclusively shown to be wrong and the claimant awarded a "BS point". If the claim is proven "correct" the claimant will be awarded a "Best and Smartest" point. If there is no clear proof either way the claim will be deemed "undecided" and no points will be awarded. If the challenger fails to show the claim was BS they are given a "dumbass" point.
F. A running tally will be kept for both the BS and Best and Smartest points. This will be regularly shown in this thread in the form of a scoreboard.
G. At the end of the year (31/12) the TFC BS artist of the year will be awarded. The 'Best and Smartest' of the year will also be awarded, as will the 'Code with the smartest fans' and the 'code's fans most full of BS!'. Names for these awards will be decided in the future. The "Dumbass" of the year will also be awarded.
H. All points will then reset for the new calendar year.
I. The reigning BS artist of the year will be required to carry this title for the next year under their username as punishment for being such a tool!

RULES
1. Only claims that are challenged using both an official 'report' and a post containing words to effect of "BS challenge" or "this one's for the BS file" will be entered into the file.
2. Only challenged claims that are deemed appropriate by the TFC moderator will be entered into the BS file. Examples of inappropriate claims are: i. Predictions, ii. Clear personal opinions, iii. Issues that are impossible to prove, iv. Issues that are too big (eg: which is the bigger code)
3. Once the 'claim thread's' 7 days have expired the thread will be locked. If at some time in the future new evidence becomes available the matter can be claimed again, and a new thread created, but the original points will stand.
4. Comments about the claims will not be allowed in the BS file. Comments about the BS scores will, within reason.
5. Any posts that are off topic in the threads dedicated to the claim, other than banter, will be deleted.
6. Any posts that attempt to distract or change the topic of the 'claim thread' will be regarded as off topic and deleted.
7. This is supposed to be fun. Any attempt to take it too seriously will be met with much heckling!
8. Once a claim is challenged and entered in to the BS file the claimant cannot back out. If you are silly enough to make the statement without at least accompanying it with "in my opinion" or "I believe", you deserve the BS point for being stupid!
9. Only the claim that is actually made by the claimant, word for word, can be challenged. Any additional questions that are not answered by the claimant will not be included in the challenge.
10. If a member makes a claim which is based entirely on the claims of an official or recognised source from within the industry, and the source itself is proven to be wrong, a BS point will not be awarded to the claimant. Rather, a Best and Smartest point will be awarded to the challenger for demonstrating the error.
And the fun starts...............NOW! =D>

[Xman]

Claim #1: Earth = RL Heartland

Claimant: King-Eliagh

Time of challenge: 13:35 21st January 2012.

Challenger: Xman

OK, here is the decision!

Reviewer one's comments and recommendation:

The claim is clearly absolute rubbish in the context of sport and the claimant should be publicly flogged for being a monumental twat. However, the context of the claim, as presented by the claimant in a number of very articulate posts, is actually true. The greatest failure in this case was the moronic challenger who failed to understand the intended context correctly and charged ahead with a bogus and unwinnable challenge without requesting further clarification of the context. My recomendation: the claimant be awarded a "Best and Smartest" point.

Reviewer two's comments and recommendation:

The Claimant clearly made the claim in jest but was cautious not to provide a claim which was bogus by vaguely indicating that the context was not sport but planetary. The challenger, clearly busy with other business, only provided a dictionary explanation and a poorly worded argument rather than going back and checking the original thread for indicators of sports context. The claimant stuck to his guns on the planetary context, managing to prove its validity in the claim. My recommendation: The Claimant be awarded a bestest and smartest point

Final decision: The Claimant (King Eliagh) be awarded a bestest and smartest point.

[Xman]

BS Claim#2: The RFL alone is bigger than all the AFL comps outside Australia combined times 50.

Claimant: ParraEelsNRL

Challenged: 2111 21/01/12

Challenger: NSWAFL

Decision:

Summary:

Reviewer 1:

The Claimant provided a comprehensive summary of factual information indicating the RFL's professionalism on page one. The Challenger in a bumbling and highly unfortunate response provided a list of international AR teams numbering 60 asking for the Claimant to provide 3000 RL teams in response. The 60 teams provided were highly sus, with links leading to pornography, facebook and other bogus sites, which effectively made a mockery of the challenger and his argument. The Claimant went on to provide further more significant evidence and although his presentation was clearer and more comprehensive, and his claim most probably correct, he was unable to make a strong comparitive case. He did not provide evidence of AR being 50X smaller than the RFL.

A difficult case which raises many questions for addressing claims in the BS files.

Conclusion: No result and a harsh public warning dealt to the Challenger re: posting links he has not viewed and the fact that posting BS links is no different to making a BS claim which may be challenged and proven as BS

Reviewer 2:
Summary:

The Claimant provided significant evidence proving conclusively that RL is a small but significant part of the sporting landscape in the UK. However much of his evidence related to areas such as professionalism and finances, that on their own do not quantify size, but indicate it. He also did not present evidence to show the size of AFL outside Australia, making a comparison of 50 times all but impossible. Clearly RL in the UK is much bigger than AFL outside Australia, but by how much is difficult to say. The challenger, and others, presented evidence regarding participant and competition numbers showing the difference in these indicators is likely to be less than 50 times. However, size cannot and should not be defined by numbers of players or competitions alone. There are other factors to consider than make the comparison too difficult.

Conclusion and recommendation: 'Undecided' result.

Final decision: 'Undecided' therefore no points

[Xman]

BS File claim#3: ParraEelsNRL wrote:
What's wrong with Newcastle Bea?

Oh that's right, they don't play AFL.

NSWAFL wrote: Oh yes they do!!

Claimant: NSWAFL

Challenged: 2130 21/01/12

Challenger: ParraEelsNRL



Summary:
A classic fight which is really over terminology. The claimant meaning the sport AFL is played in Newcastle. The challenger meaning that Newcastle do not have a team playing in the AFL. This is another situation where the claimant's meaning is all that needs to be proven, since that is what was challenged. If the challenger wanted to challenge under a different meaning they should have posed the question first eg "are you saying that Newcastle have an team in the actual AFL?"

Decision: I find for the claimant and award him a 'smartest and best point'

[Xman]

BS file#4: How did that Melbourne Storm game come about? Oh that's right, trying to cash in on the ANZAC tradition in the AFL. Do you lot ever come up with anything original?

Claimant: Beaussie

Challenge: 2340 21/01/12

Challenger: parraEelsNRL

BS file#4: How did that Melbourne Storm game come about? Oh that's right, trying to cash in on the ANZAC tradition in the AFL. Do you lot ever come up with anything original?

Claimant: Beaussie

Challenge: 2340 21/01/12

Challenger: parraEelsNRL

Summary:
Another example of a claim that had a specific context but was challenged on the assumption it meant something else. This was clearly evident by the challengers question following the claim, which was never answered and therefore not part of the claim. The claimant has fulfilled his requirement and explained his claim, which has merit. The challenger needs to learn not to challenge possible ambiguous claims.

Decision and recommendation: in favor of the claimant who is awarded a best and smartest point.

[Xman]

I have added rule 9 to the list of BS file rules because some members are under the impression that additional questions that have not been answered by the claimant also relate to the claim. They do not.

[Xman]

BS file claim #5: I know for a fact the foregin tennis commentators & players can't wait to get the hell out of Melbourne

Claimant: Raiderdave

Challenge: 1730 22/01/12

Challenger: NSWAFL

Below is the context of the claim:

Xman wrote:
There was a controversy in an Australian opne tennis match last night between Tomas Berdych and opponent Nicolas Almagro. Berdych was at the net and Almargo about half court. Almargo felt his only option to win the point was to hit it straight at Berdych. The ball hit Berdych in the elbow.

After the match Berdych refused to shake Almagro's had. The crowd booed him roundly.

Anway, two international visitors referrenced AR's in interviews after the match. Berdych said "Tennis is not Australain Rules football". Completely independantly John McEnroe also made a similar comment.

I wonder why they referred to AFL and not RL when talking about contact sport in Australia? We all know why. Australian Rules Football is an icon in Australia and know by many around the world as our game!

Raiderdave:

I know for a fact the foregin tennis commentators & players can't wait to get the hell out of Melbourne

" they keep talking about this football game " one player was reported to have said
they can't shut the F about it .. they think we're interested for some reason
then they showed me some

it was like ........



they wear singlets

I asked Bernie Tomic about it

Benard said .... don't ask me , I come from QLD
I can't stand the garbage ... half the country can't either

I'm a Rugby League fanatic .... a huge Titans fan
now thats a sport

Summary: where do I start? Stupidest comment without any evidence or even a defence from the claimant!

Recommendation: BS point for the claimant

[Xman]

BS file Claim#6: AFL ratings have NOT fallen 30% since 2005 (including) another 5% in 2011

Claimant: Beaussie

Challenger: Raiderdave

Challenged: 2115 29/01/12

Verdict: in favour of the claimant. Best and smartest point awarded.

[Xman]

BS file claim#7: None of these teams (UK- quoted) play in an organised comp.

Claimant: ParaEelsNRL

Challenged: 2130 29/01/12

Challenger: NSWAFL

Verdict: in favour of the challenger. A BS point is awarded to ParEelsNrl.

[Xman]

BS file claim#8: over the 5 years of the previous deal .... NRL was a bigger rater then Super 15 in NZ

Claimant: Raiderdave

Challenged: 2140 29/01/12

Challenger: Beaussie

Verdict: bs point for Raiderdave.

[Xman]

BS File claim#9: Bigger crowd than any international AFL match and at only 9,000, what's that say about your code?

Claimant: ParaEelsNRL

Challenged: 2157 29/01/12

Challenger: Cos789

Summary: this is a tough one and a decision will upset members no matter which way the verdict goes. However I am not willing to take the easy road and sit on the fence (although that does sound painful). To be consistent I need to consider the context of the claim which suggested that no AFL international has been played in front of a crowd over 9k. Cos did a fine job to find a number of examples of where an AFL international played in front of a crowd over this size. However clearly the crowd was not present to see this event in isolation, but rather to see the main event of that meeting which was another higher profile game. Therefore, considering the context of the claim, it is still correct.

Verdict: Best and Smartest point awarded to the claimant ParraEelsNRL.

[Xman]

BS File claim#10: Well there you have it. Union doing better than RL in Queensland, the ACT and Victoria.

Claimant: Beaussie

Challenger: paraEelsNRL

Challenged: 2205 29/01/12

Verdict: the challenger has proven their case and is awarded a smartest and best point.

[Xman]

BS File claim#11: only about 1000 (GWS members are) from the Western Sydney area

Claimant: Raiderdave

Challenger: NSWAFL

Challenged: 1100 3/2/12

Summary: evidence provided by claimant was for last year. No evidence was provided for this years figures therefore the claim is deemed bs.

Verdict: bs point for Raiderdave

[Xman]

BS file claim#12: the VAST majority (of auskick kids) never get near a game of AR's

Claimant: Raiderdave

Challenger: Xman

Challenged 1320 3/2/12

Verdict: BS point to Raiderdave!

[Xman]

Bs File claim#13: (Auskick kids) are mainly kids forced into a 30 minute training drill at school

Claimant: Raiderdave

Challenger: NSWAFL

Challenged: 1200 5/2/12

Verdict: BS point to Raiderdave