Talking Footy

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 2:21 pm**

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:29 am

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:31 pm

WookieReturns wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:58 pm

Maybe he is, but it is one of those things that AFL types brought up as an issue and were repeatedly shot down for back in the day.

Its something that also affects NRL regions more than AFL ones.

Lack of Kayo data for either code is kind of driving me mental at the moment
Yes, one would think the data for the streaming and PTV channels would be very accurate and easy to produce as”they” know who is watching…hell half the time I think “they” are listening as well.

Wookie, can you confirm this - I thought Fox used people meters as well - they don't know exact numbers?

How do you think they put on their sites and send you emails…perhaps you’d like to watch this?

How do they know that people are watching and sharing their logins…
And for that matter how do they know that you have exceeded the number of screens that you have paid for? Or what you have watched, completely or partly. How do they know to restrict your access to channels you have not paid for?
Because it is based on your login, whether you do it each time or its open, they know. And keep records.

It is their business.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 2:27 pm**

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:21 pm

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:29 am

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:31 pm

Yes, one would think the data for the streaming and PTV channels would be very accurate and easy to produce as”they” know who is watching…hell half the time I think “they” are listening as well.

Wookie, can you confirm this - I thought Fox used people meters as well - they don't know exact numbers?
How do you think they put on their sites and send you emails…perhaps you’d like to watch this?

How do they know that people are watching and sharing their logins…
And for that matter how do they know that you have exceeded the number of screens that you have paid for? Or what you have watched, completely or partly. How do they know to restrict your access to channels you have not paid for?
Because it is based on your login, whether you do it each time or its open, they know. And keep records.

It is their business.

Yeah - I get that - but that would be more algorithm - plus I don't get that on Fox re: suggestions to watch. I thought they used people metres as well just like OzTam etc. I remember looking this up - I did not think the numbers they posted (Fox) were exact numbers. Stay tuned.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 2:33 pm**

OzTAM tracks people watching subscription television through 2120 homes in metropolitan and regional Australia. The panel tracks the consumption of popular shows such as The Last of Us and The White Lotus, or the first round of the NRL, on a Foxtel IQ box, online video service Foxtel Now or Kayo Sports. A separate measurement system – VPM – also tracks Foxtel’s audiences on Kayo Sports and Binge. Foxtel also uses internal data to measure streaming consumption.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 5ctc6.html

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 6:15 pm**

“ Foxtel also uses internal data to measure streaming consumption.”

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 6:33 pm**

22 Mar 2015 — Starting from a Home screen hub, users can flick through "Suggested" movies and TV shows, recommended based on their Foxtel subscription ...

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 8:04 pm**

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:15 pm
“ Foxtel also uses internal data to measure streaming consumption.”

I think the highlighted part states they use people metres. Think about- knowing a channel is being shown tells you only that - a people metre, as used by Oz tam to estimate ratings for both fta and fox tv allows the recording of how many watching, their age and other demographics, and also prompts for a response to see if you are still watching (and tv simply not playing with no one watching).

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 8:06 pm**

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:33 pm
22 Mar 2015 — Starting from a Home screen hub, users can flick through "Suggested" movies and TV shows, recommended based on their Foxtel subscription ...

Yeah - I get that - but you were wrong te: how ratings are collected. A people metre is used.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 11:04 pm**

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:06 pm

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:33 pm
22 Mar 2015 — Starting from a Home screen hub, users can flick through "Suggested" movies and TV shows, recommended based on their Foxtel subscription ...

Yeah - I get that - but you were wrong te: how ratings are collected. A people metre is used.

I was not wrong..a people metre is used for oztam…foxtel and the other streaming PTVs collect their own data and do not publish it…which is what I said in the first place.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 7:55 pm**

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:29 am

Wookie, can you confirm this - I thought Fox used people meters as well - they don't know exact numbers?

Fox do use a very similar system to the Nielson one, but its not fully integrated.Something to do with streamotions (kayo/binge) sound not getting picked up by the metering.

Posted: **Sun May 07, 2023 7:13 am**

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:04 pm

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:06 pm

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:33 pm
22 Mar 2015 — Starting from a Home screen hub, users can flick through "Suggested" movies and TV shows, recommended based on their Foxtel subscription ...

Yeah - I get that - but you were wrong te: how ratings are collected. A people metre is used.
I was not wrong..a people metre is used for oztam…foxtel and the other streaming PTVs collect their own data and do not publish it…which is what I said in the first place.

My bad- I thought you inferred that there figured for rating were precise as they know everyone was is watching. They know when a TV channel msy be on possibly but not the viewership. Glad we cleared that up.

Posted: **Sun May 07, 2023 9:16 am**

Fred wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:13 am

Quolls2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:04 pm

Fred wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:06 pm

Yeah - I get that - but you were wrong te: how ratings are collected. A people metre is used.
I was not wrong..a people metre is used for oztam…foxtel and the other streaming PTVs collect their own data and do not publish it…which is what I said in the first place.

My bad- I thought you inferred that there figured for rating were precise as they know everyone was is watching. They know when a TV channel msy be on possibly but not the viewership. Glad we cleared that up.

I agree that the streaming and ptv providers do not know how many are watching, or the demographics, well not yet anyway, but it could reasonably be assumed if a device is tuned to a specific program, such as football, someone is watching.

It would be interesting to see the household figures and pubs and clubs etc, separately.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm**

Prime time on Channel 9 with no AFL to compete with and yet a paltry 58,000 Melbourne viewers tuned in. Awfully embarrassing for a code that calls itself national.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2023 5:24 pm**

Beaussie wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm
Prime time on Channel 9 with no AFL to compete with and yet a paltry 58,000 Melbourne viewers tuned in. Awfully embarrassing for a code that calls itself national.

You do realize ..lol that a lot of RL fans in Melb have fox & watch on it.
It’s not like the Aflol who’s games are shown into home markets regularly on FTA.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2023 5:30 pm**

Beaussie wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm
Prime time on Channel 9 with no AFL to compete with and yet a paltry 58,000 Melbourne viewers tuned in. Awfully embarrassing for a code that calls itself national.

the Swines got just 34K in Sydney last week
about the same numb as their cwowds

just astoundingly bad & more signs that the Vicderpian game is on the way out in Sydney

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm**

AFLcrap1 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:24 pm

Beaussie wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm
Prime time on Channel 9 with no AFL to compete with and yet a paltry 58,000 Melbourne viewers tuned in. Awfully embarrassing for a code that calls itself national.

You do realize ..lol that a lot of RL fans in Melb have fox & watch on it.
It’s not like the Aflol who’s games are shown into home markets regularly on FTA.

yep
600K watched the game on PTV
I'd say 60K in Melb

meaning 120K all up
magnificent figures

&

way more then ex pat viderps watching the swines in Sydney

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