Talking Footy

Terry wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:15 am

The_Wookie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:07 pm

Terry wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Yes they did, because the games became meaningless as they weren't consistently competitive. Players lost interest. Clubs lost interest. Fans lost interest. Had they been competitive and tv ratings equalled GF's like the RL version there is not a chance in the hell the clubs would have got in the way.

Your wrong and we'll never know anyway because even leagues state of origin ratings were tiny compared to today in the early 90s - and werent shown outside NSW/QLD live at all as far as Im aware.

But end of the day it was the clubs and later the AFLPA. Clubs didnt want to release players, so less and less of the best were available for Origin as the clubs were focussed on the flag. Fans lost interest because the Clubs did. Throw in the the general feeling that Adelaide and West Coast in particular effectively represented their states - and in fairness in the late 80s and 90s they did focus on SA/WA talent - as well as the fact that one off origin matches just didnt have any appeal to anyone. Low attendances followed - and attendance has always been a key driver of the leagues decision making process, tv was acceptable if not spectacular, low crowds werent.

Yep. All in all the lack of competitiveness killed it. In this case we're debating what came first........the chicken or the egg! You're saying the clubs killed the competitiveness by withdrawing players. I'm saying the lack of competitiveness and general interest is why the clubs withdrew players.

Once again its two great minds having a minor disagreement!!!

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:28 am

Terry wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:15 am

The_Wookie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:07 pm

Your wrong and we'll never know anyway because even leagues state of origin ratings were tiny compared to today in the early 90s - and werent shown outside NSW/QLD live at all as far as Im aware.

But end of the day it was the clubs and later the AFLPA. Clubs didnt want to release players, so less and less of the best were available for Origin as the clubs were focussed on the flag. Fans lost interest because the Clubs did. Throw in the the general feeling that Adelaide and West Coast in particular effectively represented their states - and in fairness in the late 80s and 90s they did focus on SA/WA talent - as well as the fact that one off origin matches just didnt have any appeal to anyone. Low attendances followed - and attendance has always been a key driver of the leagues decision making process, tv was acceptable if not spectacular, low crowds werent.

Yep. All in all the lack of competitiveness killed it. In this case we're debating what came first........the chicken or the egg! You're saying the clubs killed the competitiveness by withdrawing players. I'm saying the lack of competitiveness and general interest is why the clubs withdrew players.

Once again its two great minds having a minor disagreement!!!

The clubs didn't lack interest, they valued their own success over SOO. After all, it was one game in a season. It did not involve a years worth of preparation or salary

The_Wookie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 pm

Terry wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:15 am

Yep. All in all the lack of competitiveness killed it. In this case we're debating what came first........the chicken or the egg! You're saying the clubs killed the competitiveness by withdrawing players. I'm saying the lack of competitiveness and general interest is why the clubs withdrew players.

Once again its two great minds having a minor disagreement!!!

And in this disagreement you are wrong.

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:18 pm

225k watching wallabies in Sydney last night compared to 18k for afl.

pussycat Mark 11 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 pm

LIVE: NRL: COWBOYS V ROOSTERS FOX LEAGUE 241,000
NRL: STORM V KNIGHTS FOX LEAGUE 207,000
LIVE: AFL MELBOURNE V HAWTHORN FOX FOOTY 186,000
LIVE: AFL GWS V SYDNEY FOX FOOTY 180,000
LIVE: NRL: RAIDERS V SHARKS FOX LEAGUE 177,000
LIVE: AFL ST KILDA V PORT ADELAIDE FOX FOOTY 168,000

Very limited coverage of Sharks game due to cloud cover in my area.

The_Wookie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:12 pm

pussycat Mark 11 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 pm

LIVE: NRL: COWBOYS V ROOSTERS FOX LEAGUE 241,000
NRL: STORM V KNIGHTS FOX LEAGUE 207,000
LIVE: AFL MELBOURNE V HAWTHORN FOX FOOTY 186,000
LIVE: AFL GWS V SYDNEY FOX FOOTY 180,000
LIVE: NRL: RAIDERS V SHARKS FOX LEAGUE 177,000
LIVE: AFL ST KILDA V PORT ADELAIDE FOX FOOTY 168,000

and the rest of the ratings?

Wallabies v France Game 3
691,000 (Metro 496,000 Regional 195,000)

Seven Saturday night
#AFLDeesHawks 578,000 (Metro 427,000 Regional 151,000)

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:37 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:18 pm

225k watching wallabies in Sydney last night compared to 18k for afl.

Australia's RU team vs 2 Melbourne AFL teams. Great comparison there Pip head

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:33 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:37 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:18 pm

225k watching wallabies in Sydney last night compared to 18k for afl.

Australia's RU team vs 2 Melbourne AFL teams. Great comparison there Pip head

Right - two Sydney teams do what 32k?!
Just a reality check

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:41 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:33 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:37 pm

Australia's RU team vs 2 Melbourne AFL teams. Great comparison there Pip head

Right - two Sydney teams do what 32k?!
Just a reality check

LOL

you are still comparing a home and away game to the national RU team? How far has RU fallen?

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:44 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:41 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:33 pm

Right - two Sydney teams do what 32k?!
Just a reality check

LOL

you are still comparing a home and away game to the national RU team? How far has RU fallen?

Highest level of rugby are wallabies who play numerous matches throughout year.
Highest level of afl is afl.
One rates in Sydney the other doesn't - don't blame me

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:44 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:41 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:33 pm

Right - two Sydney teams do what 32k?!
Just a reality check

LOL

you are still comparing a home and away game to the national RU team? How far has RU fallen?

Highest level of rugby are wallabies who play numerous matches throughout year.
Highest level of afl is afl.
One rates in Sydney the other doesn't - don't blame me

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:25 pm

Pippen1994 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:44 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:41 pm

LOL

you are still comparing a home and away game to the national RU team? How far has RU fallen?

Highest level of rugby are wallabies who play numerous matches throughout year.
Highest level of afl is afl.
One rates in Sydney the other doesn't - don't blame me

The highest level of the AFL is AFL finals. In Sydney the ratings were 413k for the AFL GF last year despite 2 Melbourne values playing.

On your bike pal

The_Wookie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:33 pm

Terry wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:55 pm

Good point. The AFL folk here are too thick to realise RL and RU have multiple tiers of their sport. Unlike their mess which has only the domestic game. They will discount an international game because their game has nothing to compare it with. It's one of those excuses they use when the other excuses aren't working!!!!

They'll discount it because grand finals, national teams and origin are theatre events - people watching out of patriotic duty or curiousity, and then the next day they go about their business like nothing happened. As such true popularity not reflected in regular season - its why the socceroos will rate 2 million for a world cup game and the next weekthe aleague will rate 11,000. Its why Origin rates 2.7m, but come the weekend, will rate 700l. Its why the Wallabies will rate 800k, but Super teams rate less than 100k. You fucking know this.