Victorians Playing for the Melbourne Storm - Are there ANY?

[Raiderdave]

TV ratings in the end mean nothing to the clubs.

Away attendances are important to show how well a club draws when it's away from home. Memberships in other locations play a big role in this. That's how the AFL clubs work. NRL would do well to take that on board.

TV ratings mean plenty when your after a Billion dollars ( that all clubs will get a share of ) for your TV rights ... you only dismiss them because they don;t support your argument

& all the away attendances for the Lions & Suns will show an AFL club from somewhere else
is that they are the worst drawing clubs in the League & they should avoid playing them at home ... at all costs
they are poison

same can be said for the Titans too
most other NRL clubs don't want them anywhere near their home games ,
but alas ... someone has to play all 3 of them at home at some point

[TLPG]

The TV deals benefit the league - not the clubs, unless they need a spoonful for whatever the reason. Practical fact. It's why Port Adelaide took an advance, but it won't be enough long term. However their future is assured because of the money that will come in from the sale of Football Park when Adelaide Oval is ready to host AFL games.

TV deals keep the leagues functioning. It's their main income, alongside finals and in the case of the AFL league memberships. The clubs only get a pittance. That's why they need memberships themselves as well as sponsorships to stay afloat - and crowd numbers both home and away. Yes, home is probably more important, but away numbers reflect memberships in other locations. That's poison for the Titans.

[Raiderdave]

The TV deals benefit the league - not the clubs, unless they need a spoonful for whatever the reason. Practical fact. It's why Port Adelaide took an advance, but it won't be enough long term. However their future is assured because of the money that will come in from the sale of Football Park when Adelaide Oval is ready to host AFL games.

TV deals keep the leagues functioning. It's their main income, alongside finals and in the case of the AFL league memberships. The clubs only get a pittance. That's why they need memberships themselves as well as sponsorships to stay afloat - and crowd numbers both home and away. Yes, home is probably more important, but away numbers reflect memberships in other locations. That's poison for the Titans.

if it benefits the league
it benefits the clubs
the NRL gives all of its clubs an annual grant of 4 million , per club per year , & has indicated this will be increased significantly if we get a major increase in our TV rights deal ( a given )
a doubling of this grant would be a massive boost to the Titans .. TV ratings play their part.

& clubs know exactly how many of their members come from interstate
so why is it important to have away crowds relflect a number clubs already know >

[TLPG]

But the league doesn't look after the clubs - either code. They have to support themselves. The AFL only moves in on request (per Port Adelaide). The NRL doesn't even do that (I'm talking support in times of trouble - not the 4 millions you're talking about and I need a source for that claim BTW). If it was 4 million a year, clubs in Sydney wouldn't need the pokies.

[Raiderdave]

But the league doesn't look after the clubs - either code. They have to support themselves. The AFL only moves in on request (per Port Adelaide). The NRL doesn't even do that (I'm talking support in times of trouble - not the 4 millions you're talking about and I need a source for that claim BTW). If it was 4 million a year, clubs in Sydney wouldn't need the pokies.

they advance the grant when required .. or portions of it
the Titans & Sharks have both had advances ,

the NRL club grant is 3.65 Mill per year & it will go to 3.75Mill in 2012
http://www.nrl.com/news/news/newsarticl ... fault.aspx

Sydney NRL clubs still need poker machine revenue
& every other source of income they can get ... like all clubs .. in all sports , no ones saying ... oh we have enough dough

I think the NRL however may at some stage tell the Sharks they will no longer continue to advance them their grant to make ends meet
either they shape up ... or its the Bears in Gosford who will take their place
thats an incentive for the Sutherland shire boys to get their act together

Edited by TLPG: Another personal attack removed

I asked you a legitimate question , how is that a personal attack ?

[TLPG]

The grant will need to be a lot higher to cover for the cap on the pokies. The AFL doesn't need pokies to be a going concern. It covers for that with membership and sponsorship.

[Raiderdave]

The grant will need to be a lot higher to cover for the cap on the pokies. The AFL doesn't need pokies to be a going concern. It covers for that with membership and sponsorship.

they're using them more & more however
to cover other short falls in their operations .. or post modest profits

[pussycat]

TLPG , How much does the AFL pump into the GC. Suns each year? I believe the figure to be $20m, if so why are bothering to compare them with the Titans?

[Beaussie]

They are not "plumetting". Sydney's average attendance has only dropped by a small amount. It's still averaging 28K a game at the moment and won't drop much lower. Brisbane's is only in bother because of where they are on the ladder - and because of the Suns, but their average is still the envy of the Storm. Three 20K crowds. Big deal.

Sydney's current average is padded somewhat by the Collingwood game
they have some dud encounters to come
watch it fall ....

Umm, the Swans played Collingwood last season and the season before that, and the season before that. Another ridiculous post from you.

we can't use the Titans fall in averages due to their pozzie on the ladder according to you lot

so neither can you when talking about the Lions
its a lame excuse

But you NRL supporters are always telling us the Gold Coast is NRL heartland. Interesting how despite the ladder positions of the Suns and Titans, the Suns are killing the Titans when it comes to attracting new members and crowds for each home game.

The Storm playing to big crowds toward the end of this season .. exposing their abundant skills to lots more Melbournians live
as well as the finals at a decent time on TV down there
( apparently 9 Melb is going to whack em on in prime time )
they will continue to attract new fans as they are a darn good footy side
its all on the up fo the boys in purple

Problem is, the people of Melbourne are not interested in the NRL or Melbourne Storm. Despite being on top of the ladder and regualarly playing finals and grand finals, they still struggle to break 13k averages each season. That is not sustainable I keep telling you.

[Raiderdave]

TLPG , How much does the AFL pump into the GC. Suns each year? I believe the figure to be $20m, if so why are bothering to compare them with the Titans?

good point pussycat
at a minmum the NRL's commitment to the Titans is approx 4 mill a year
the same as it is for all clubs

you whack another 16mill in there .. even if it were used to half ticket prices similar to where the suns prices are
& its a different kettle of squid aint it
there claim to be winning is smoke n mirrors

still
they have the dough to do that we don't
yet

[Raiderdave]

The grant will need to be a lot higher to cover for the cap on the pokies. The AFL doesn't need pokies to be a going concern. It covers for that with membership and sponsorship.

they're using them more & more however
to cover other short falls in their operations .. or post modest profits

The only club that has any poker machine revenue would be Sydney.

wot are you talking about

nearly all the AFL clubs in Melbourne have pokermachines in their
" clubs " & other social areas like the pubs that some clubs own

[Raiderdave]

They are not "plumetting". Sydney's average attendance has only dropped by a small amount. It's still averaging 28K a game at the moment and won't drop much lower. Brisbane's is only in bother because of where they are on the ladder - and because of the Suns, but their average is still the envy of the Storm. Three 20K crowds. Big deal.

Sydney's current average is padded somewhat by the Collingwood game
they have some dud encounters to come
watch it fall ....

Umm, the Swans played Collingwood last season and the season before that, and the season before that. Another ridiculous post from you.

we can't use the Titans fall in averages due to their pozzie on the ladder according to you lot

so neither can you when talking about the Lions
its a lame excuse

But you NRL supporters are always telling us the Gold Coast is NRL heartland. Interesting how despite the ladder positions of the Suns and Titans, the Suns are killing the Titans when it comes to attracting new members and crowds for each home game.

The Storm playing to big crowds toward the end of this season .. exposing their abundant skills to lots more Melbournians live
as well as the finals at a decent time on TV down there
( apparently 9 Melb is going to whack em on in prime time )
they will continue to attract new fans as they are a darn good footy side
its all on the up fo the boys in purple

Problem is, the people of Melbourne are not interested in the NRL or Melbourne Storm. Despite being on top of the ladder and regualarly playing finals and grand finals, they still struggle to break 13k averages each season. That is not sustainable I keep telling you.

Umm, the Swans played Collingwood last season and the season before that, and the season before that. Another ridiculous post from you.

umm, compare 2010's average .. with 2011's .. when the season is finished .. not straight after the Swans play collingwood .. which is wot TPLG did.

But you NRL supporters are always telling us the Gold Coast is NRL heartland. Interesting how despite the ladder positions of the Suns and Titans, the Suns are killing the Titans when it comes to attracting new members and crowds for each home game.

TPLG believes its 50/50 in SE QLD ... so why would the Lions being on the bottom of the ladder be any more of a consideration then the Titans possie.. oh & see above .. the smoke n mirrors .. the AFL need to play games to even get close to winning

Problem is, the people of Melbourne are not interested in the NRL or Melbourne Storm. Despite being on top of the ladder and regualarly playing finals and grand finals, they still struggle to break 13k averages each season. That is not sustainable I keep telling you.

while we continue to chip away , with the help of News ltd & the NRL
( 300K Melbournians watching League last nite .. gee wouldn't the AFL like some of that action in Sydney ) watching that Freak Slater & his Storm cohorts Brilliance .. 2 , maybe 3 & possibly 4 huge games to go down there .. at least 2 of these on prime time FTA in Melbourne
&
the Storm are going to have a massive end to 2011

Its the Swans ... floundering .. & Certainly the Lions .. they'll have their hand out for major assistance in a year or 2 who should be concerned looking into a crystal ball ... not the Storm

[TLPG]

I'm not even going to bother with all this rubbish. There is so much misinformation in these last three posts if I sift through even one post I'll get a headache.

Fact - the AFL is beating the NRL in attendances.
Fact - the Suns are beating the Titans in attendances at home in it's first season.
Fact - the Swans and the Lions are nowhere near their worst ever attendances and even at the current level the average is still the envy of NRL clubs.

[Raiderdave]

I'm not even going to bother with all this rubbish. There is so much misinformation in these last three posts if I sift through even one post I'll get a headache.

Fact - the AFL is beating the NRL in attendances.
Fact - the Suns are beating the Titans in attendances at home in it's first season.
Fact - the Swans and the Lions are nowhere near their worst ever attendances and even at the current level the average is still the envy of NRL clubs.

Fact - the AFL is beating the NRL in attendances.

ours is going up ... the AFL's .. down

Fact - the Suns are beating the Titans in attendances at home in it's first season.

barely ..& if they couldn't .. they'd be a laughing stock .. with it being their first year .. & their ticket prices half those of the Titans

Fact - the Swans and the Lions are nowhere near their worst ever attendances and even at the current level the average is still the envy of NRL clubs

they're not the envy of the Broncos > & the Swans barely out average the NRL Bulldogs .. 28K to 24K . one club in a city all to itself .. up against a few suburbs
the Lions are barely above the NRL average .. & by seasons end .. will be below it

[TLPG]

AFL's average home and away attendance is steady at 36K and has been there every season since 2007. It has NEVER been higher and is not dropping. NRL's average home and away attendance is only 16K (below the Lions on 21K).
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/summary.html
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/summary.html

It's true that the Broncos and Canterbury have a higher average attendance this season than the Suns. But they are the only ones. The Broncos at 30K are behind 11 of the 17 AFL clubs (yes, the Lions are one of the six they are in front of), but Canterbury are only ahead of the Lions, the Suns and Port Adelaide - and are almost equal with their canine counterparts in Melbourne.

I call that the AFL winning and there's no other way one could possibly see that in reality.