State of Boredom

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I'll add to Beau's point by saying that it backs up Hammer's observation about false claims to sell outs. I mean look at the name of the website Beau linked. "Last Tix". That insinuates last minute tickets. Now if there was really a sell out would there be any available?

Think about it.

[pussycat]

I'll add to Beau's point by saying that it backs up Hammer's observation about false claims to sell outs. I mean look at the name of the website Beau linked. "Last Tix". That insinuates last minute tickets. Now if there was really a sell out would there be any available?

Think about it.

A Limited number of $95.00 tickets If only your mob could get that much - even go close

[Raiderdave]

I'll add to Beau's point by saying that it backs up Hammer's observation about false claims to sell outs. I mean look at the name of the website Beau linked. "Last Tix". That insinuates last minute tickets. Now if there was really a sell out would there be any available?

Think about it.

A Limited number of $95.00 tickets If only your mob could get that much - even go close

$95.00 !!!

that'd get you into the MCG all year

for 2 years .......... :_<>

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I'm getting sick of your misrepresentations, Raider. The $2.50 entry is for CHILDREN! The majority of attendances are adults. That's why I deleted your post with that - because it is completely and utterly IRRELEVANT! Most people pay $21.30 to get in at a minimum.

[Raiderdave]

I'm getting sick of your misrepresentations, Raider. The $2.50 entry is for CHILDREN! The majority of attendances are adults. That's why I deleted your post with that - because it is completely and utterly IRRELEVANT! Most people pay $21.30 to get in at a minimum.

delete the truth eh .... censorship to control the debate eh

what cowardly activity
but typical of AFL fans ... can't handle the truth if it portrays the game in a poor light
so stick your head in the sand .. or somewhere else
& hope it'll all go away

[AFL Warrior]

the nrl is a game for liars, cheats, rapists and racists...FACT!

[Raiderdave]

the nrl is a game for liars, cheats, rapists and racists...FACT!

as is the AFL.... FACT

[pussycat]

the nrl is a game for liars, cheats, rapists and racists...FACT!

Hmm, interesting article - New hush money claims in AFL rape case
By Rachael Brown for the 7:30 Report


'Kate' alleges she was raped by a Carlton player 10 years ago
Map: Carlton 3053 A woman who claims she was raped by a Carlton AFL player 10 years ago has accused Victoria Police of offering her hush money for bungling her case.

The woman, known only as Kate, claims that in 1999 police waited two days before visiting the crime scene, failed to get the suspect's DNA, and records of his interview with police disappeared.

Kate has told ABC1's 7:30 Report program while she has now reached a confidential settlement, she was originally offered $20,000 to keep quiet.

Victoria Police declined to be interviewed because it says it cannot comment on any payments because of strict confidentiality clauses.

The allegations come two months after former Carlton president John Elliott said the club had paid hush money to women who claimed they had been assaulted or raped by its players.

The club has now banned Mr Elliott.

Kate also says the police now want her help investigating whether, along with slain gangland identity Jason Moran, a Carlton player was supplying drugs to some of his team-mates.

" bad depression. I now suffer from an anxiety disorder. I just want to be a happy person again," Kate said.

"There's been times in the last six years where I've thought of ending it because I don't see that it's ever going to get better."

Kate's memories of the 1999 AFL grand final are of bitterness and humiliation.

Carlton's season ended in a 35-point loss to the Kangaroos and according to Kate, a haze of alcohol and drugs - and her alleged rape.

She had met her idol, a Carlton player, at Crown Casino two nights after the club's defeat and agreed to go home with him. She says other players were at the Essendon house, some high on cocaine.

"In the middle of having intercourse, a person had walked into the room right in the middle of having sex and was sort of offering some drug and he said no," Kate said.

"Then he got a phone call and said he had to go get his keys and get his car from Optus Oval and that he would be back. So I went to sleep and that's when I woke up to being fondled and touched.

"I thought that it was the same person but when I noticed he was going - he was having sex with me, that it was a bit more rough. It just wasn't the same and he sort of popped his head up from under the covers and I realised that it wasn't who it was originally."

Kate says she ran out, telling numerous players she had been raped.

She claims some players, including one of Carlton's biggest stars at the time, tried to stop her from going to the police.

A week later, when leaving her job as a stripper at Melbourne's men's club Goldfingers, she says Mr Elliott was waiting for her in her boss's office. She refused to meet him.

"I wasn't offered hush money but I believe if I had've sat in that room I would have been offered hush money," she said.

Both Mr Elliott and Goldfingers boss Ray Bartlett deny the meeting ever happened.


'They failed to do so much'

Kate went to the police. Three years went by before officers told her there was not enough evidence.

But she feared she was being ignored because she was working as a stripper at the time. So she called in the police watchdog.

A leaked 2005 review by the Office of Police Integrity details a litany of errors in the police investigation.

The informant neglected to collect the suspect's DNA but told colleagues he had. He waited two days to visit the crime scene.

"By that time they could have washed sheets, they could have - they failed to do so much," Kate said.

"They let the players go on their overseas football trip before they even took a statement from the alleged player."

And both the master copy and the back-up of the suspect's police interview disappeared and have not been seen since.

"You don't completely botch a police investigation that badly just by mistake," Kate said.

Kate says Victoria Police then sent an apology and a sweetener to let it be.

"They offered me some money... $20,000... on conditions that I don't proceed with having it heard it court," she said.

"You think you can pay me off with $20,000? $20,000 is nothing, not that it was ever about money. But I think in some way they owed me more than just 20 grand. They owed me - doing their job properly."

Kate rejected the cash offer and tried to sue the officers involved. Her civil claim never made it to trial; the Victorian County Court ruled police do not owe a duty of care to an individual member of the public.

The ABC understands she has since signed a confidential settlement with Victoria Police.

They declined an interview but issued a statement saying: "Victoria Police can't comment on any payments because of strict confidentiality clauses."


'Embarrassment factor'

As for the botched 1999 rape investigation, one officer was disciplined and the other two have since resigned from the force.

Prominent Melbourne senior counsel Dyson Hore Lacy says Victoria Police regularly instigate settlements, most with confidentiality clauses embedded, so the public is none the wiser about the use of taxpayer dollars.

"I think with [Victoria Police] there is an embarrassment factor. It's the norm for confidentiality agreements to be signed with settlements against their members," he said.

"It may be an assault by a member against a member of the public. It might be a false imprisonment, malicious prosecution. There have been all sorts of cases."

This June, Kate's nightmare was dredged up again, with Mr Elliot's bombshell. He claimed his club paid four or five women up to $5,000 not to go public with their claims they had been raped by Carlton footballers.

"We did have a few problems here at Carlton as every club did," Mr Elliot said on a community television channel.

"I can't name them, because I can't remember."

Kate says it hurts to watch stars like Brendan Fevola and Ange Christou distance the current playing group from the controversy over the alleged payments of hush money.

She says although they were not involved in her alleged rape, she told them about it that night.

Mr Elliott has never spilled the beans as promised. The only questions he has answered are those of sex crime detectives. He has not responded to the 7.30 Report's requests for an interview.


Claims of underworld links

But in an astonishing twist, Kate suspects Carlton's tentacles stretched into Melbourne's underworld.

On the same day back in 1999 that she refused to meet Mr Elliott at Goldfingers, there was a separate incident as Kate was leaving the club.

She says she was confronted by the same man who was dealing drugs the night of her alleged rape - Jason Moran - who would be killed four years later at the height of Melbourne's gangland war.

"From nowhere, I got pushed into a little laneway that came off the laneway and had a gun put to my head and was told that if I was to mention anything about the drugs, that I would be killed and so would my family," Kate said.

"I was threatened by the same person who walked in on me having consensual sex."

The Moran brothers, Jason and Mark, who helped run Melbourne's underworld drug syndicate the Carlton Crew, were well known amongst the Blues; their grandfather worked for the club.

The ABC has contacted former members of the drug squad. None have been willing to reveal if any gangland links between the Moran family and the Carlton Football Club were investigated during Melbourne's underworld war.

Six years on from Jason Moran's death and police are now looking into claims one associate - a former player - was also dealing drugs to some team-mates.

The police want Kate's help, but she says she owes them nothing. The man police are interested in was the first player she told of her alleged rape.

Kate does not think her case was botched because of any drug links, rather police wrote her off because she was a stripper.

"From the moment I stepped foot into the police station, I was treated like crap," Kate said.

"I was treated so unfairly. I was thinking, they're not taking me serious. I mean, look what I do for a job."

Sex scandals are not uncommon in either football code - AFL and NRL - but Kate says her experience suggests Aussie Rules is just better at damage control.

"You'd hope that now they'd take it a bit more serious ... it might damage your club, but you know, you're damaging the whole AFL by hiding it, and girls like me coming out in the public and going 'well, you're not as good as what you think you are'," she said.

A spokesman for the Carlton Football Club says, given it was 10 years ago, the club is unable to comment on the allegation that drugs were involved on the night of Kate's alleged rape.

He says there has been no known link between the club and the activities of the late Jason Moran.

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Stripper. Liar. Carlton only paid her out because of the bad publicity. This Kate person's no better than that St Kilda bitch.